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Subject:Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Posted by: GoldSeraph
Date:4/4/2002 10:33:57 AM
Hi, I have recently become addicted to Acid Xpress 3.0 and have done some cool things with it. I have considered buying Acid Pro 3.0, but I have seen many threads on here talking about Acid 4.0 and how 3.0 is getting outdated now. Is now a bad time to buy Acid pro 3.0? |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:4/4/2002 12:50:37 PM
Naw, the upgrade $ would be reasonable, no reason to not go for it now. Just pay bottom dollar, about $150 street. List price is a cynical joke. BTW, expect pops and glitches on project playback. They seem almost impossible to eliminate without major work. But they do go away in the rendered mix. Maybe SF's greatest contribution in 4.0 will be clean audio performance while monitoring the project. So far, only a few guys in white lab coats resembling The Lone Gunman have achieved popless Acid audio. If you do what they tell you, you won't have time to do any music. I make music, and live with the Acid audio horrors. They really never are there in the WAV or mp3 I render to, so it's no dealbreaker, just unprofessional and "Microsoft-like" of SF to ship such a junky product requiring such insane diligence on the part of the user to achieve simple clean audio playback. You wonder why so many guys in here routinely mention their 1.8G+ P4 processors. It's because SoFo engineers took 3 weeks off at Christmas and went skiing instead of debugging their code so we all need supercomputing to make a GD 3-second loop play clean. Tradeoffs and karma for all. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: GoldSeraph
Date:4/4/2002 1:31:52 PM
Where can you get it for 150? They sell it on sonicfoundry.com for 400! |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:4/4/2002 1:35:50 PM
No way. I would buy it now. You'll more than likely be familiar with all the features and the workflow by the time the new version rolls around, plus you'll be eligible for upgrade pricing. Iacobus |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Iacobus
Date:4/4/2002 1:36:48 PM
Sometimes, if you're lucky and everyone hasn't found out about it, you can pick up a copy of ACID Pro 3.0 at Best Buy for between $150-200. :) Iacobus |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:4/4/2002 4:16:49 PM
CDW.com's got it for $170--that's just for starters. Somebody will have it cheaper--that's your job. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Chienworks
Date:4/4/2002 4:42:35 PM
Don't worry about the rumors of the 4.0 upgrade. As of this moment, there has been absolutely no announcement or even a hint about the next version from Sonic Foundry. The only thing they've mentioned at all is that they're interested in our ideas. As far as 4.0 being impending? Who knows? It might be announced next week, or it might not be until next year. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:4/4/2002 5:10:03 PM
I can buy Sonar 2.0 for $150 today. It has everything including the kitchen sink. If that doesn't tell you that SoFo HAS to have 4.0 ready for Summer NAMM, nothing does. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:4/4/2002 8:22:19 PM
Sonar 2.0...$150. Where. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:4/4/2002 8:38:35 PM
Yes, Sonar does sound good paper, but search the various forums and you'll see how outrageously buggy it is. I'm waiting for AcidPro 4. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: doctorfish
Date:4/4/2002 11:21:32 PM
Done remakably little as far as tweaking my system and Acid doesn't make any snaps, crackles, or pops. It's great and very stable. --doctorfish-- |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:4/5/2002 1:21:51 PM
Sonar 2.0 is actually $99 to any former owner of ANY of the old Cakewalk Pro products, $150 to an owner of ANY Cakewalk product (including any that had 100% rebates in the last year) or the $39 Plasma, or to any buddy of yours that has ever owned any Cakewalk product. It's really not hard to get this sucker dirt cheap. Buggy, oh really, take 5 min to read a few of the sarcastic comments and desperate pleas in these pages. What level of bug fixes is 3.0 up to now, "g", "h", "i"? And many on this forum swear that this sucker is getting WORSE every rev, not better! PLUS, you won't find ONE WORD of complaint about wish lists and "if onlys" and "when is 4.0???" on the Sonar forums. THEY ALREADY HAVE EVERYTHING! Many top pros already use Sonar for their entire studio, not just for a sub-component such as a loop-only product is appropriate for. The latest worldclass mastering tools in XL are the final toss of the gauntlet to SoFo: put up or shut up! |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: pipercub
Date:4/5/2002 4:52:34 PM
$200 at Guitar Center |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:4/5/2002 5:50:14 PM
My Guitar Center tells me it's $175 for Sonar 2.0 on an upgrade basis/$235 for XL. They weren't specific about upgrading from what. Sonar 2.0 is $99 for old Pro owners or $149 for any CW product owner on-site. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: groovewerx
Date:4/5/2002 8:23:33 PM
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:4/5/2002 9:59:26 PM
Most Cakewalk users use Creative Labs sound cards??? What's in that pipe, I'll have some. The fact is most film composers use DP. Most studios use Tools. So what? Now you're gonna tell me that Acid which has virtually ZERO pro features is used as a standalone app for hip-hop artists. Right. In Europe, Fruity Loops is king, in the US, pro Acid users are leaving in droves towards apps that have Acid loop support and all the other stuff they need integrated, like Sonar. Sonar users use the same spread of sound cards as any other demographic of musicians, just like the guys here. Visit the Sonar site and you'll see that. SoFo is leaking market share like a sieve. If I was an investor, I'd want to know why our leading product is the musical equivalent of a buggy whip. A great buggy whip. But a buggy whip nonetheless. Accent on the buggy. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: groovewerx
Date:4/5/2002 11:29:41 PM
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: MacMoney
Date:4/6/2002 7:51:51 AM
You know, Don't get drawn up in those Sonar, Fruity Loops, is the better Acid is better bla,bla, BULL SHIT! It's YOUR money! Buy Sonar if you want, and IF you don't like it you have no one to blame but U. Buy Acid Pro 3.0 if you want, and if you don't like it it's your fault! I own them both. I my self LOVE Acid!!!! Sonar XL 1.3.1 is cool too but not my cup of tea. I still use Cakewalk 9.03. But am I hanging out on the Cakewalk or any other news group bitching? NO! because "I" decided to buy Sonar XL. What I don't understand is, OK Joe Blow wants Acid But doesn't download the demo to try it out? Why? He needs something to do everyday like bitch on the web! OR it ran like crap from the getty-up and he still bought it so he'd have something to say. Same thing with all of the other great software out there. It's YOUR money!!!!!!! Download the demo before you buy ANY thing! Good luck And I hope you get the software that's right for YOU! George Ware |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: kgreach
Date:4/6/2002 10:07:30 AM
I have Sonar 1.3.1 and Acid 3.0f with a Delta 1010 sound card. (I think I need a new Video card, any suggestions email me at kgreach@aol.com) I like and hate specific aspects of both programs. Some of the features of both programs affect my creativity like a fly buzzing around my head. And other features make my dreams a reality…buy them both, it increases your options. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:4/6/2002 10:19:01 AM
I get really sick of arrogant, wealthy know-it-alls in here who crow about the fact that they own 7 or 8 programs for their tweaked state-of-the-art system to cover all their special needs and why shouldn't everyone just do what they do, and why is anyone in here complaining anyway? Why don't all you complainers just go away and leave me to smugly gloat with all the other rich power users! Let them eat Cakewalk! Two words: bite me. Forums are ABOUT controversy and divergent opinion. Any time you spot somebody suggesting another poster shouldn't be here there is a self-defined a-hole trying to defeat the entire purpose of the forum. I came on here 6 months ago suggesting suggesting there were alternatives to Acid. I immediately became personally attacked by a rabid gang of Acid "can-do-no-wrongs", called names, attempts were made to hound me out of here by employees of SF. They were outraged someone might deign to challenge the King of Loops. But I hung in there. I suggested that Acid needed to modernize, adopt open standards like its competitors. Again, I was repeatedly attacked, insulted and told to go elsewhere. I did not, and continued to raise issues about bugs and other shortcomings of Acid because Acid deserved better, that it's basically a great program poorly implemented. Back then, continuing attempts were made to ridicule and isolate me, turn me into a "crank". Yet one by one, a few posters began to agree with me, they were users like me who really needed more: more stability, better audio performance, more features, etc. Today, there's a huge groundswell of users clamoring for everything I fought for in the beginning. Of course, it has nothing to do with me, it's just that the real users have finally come out of the closet and demanded a useful, professional-level product. Today it's politically correct to issue long lists of features that the next rev must have. SF now says, "We are attentive to the issues our users are raising." SoFo has called off the attack dogs and adopted a new pose of responsiveness to the users' needs. More than ever, users are sharing their knowledge of competitors' apps and their features because many of them have limited funds and can only buy one program, and it has to cover a lot of bases for them. Users should be encouraged to aggressively discuss and share opinions about competitors' apps here in this forum to help each other make the most informed choices as consumers. This hostile garbage about "why don't you just go on the other guys' forums!" is bullying and counter to the best interest of musicians. SF has read these pages and seen the handwriting on the wall. They can no longer scare guys like me away, there are too many of us now. They can't isolate, bully, ridicule and insult their problem away. The only solution is to fix Acid. To bring it into conformity with contemporary standards. There are still a few snarling mutts left who feel the need to snipe at Acid reformers. But I love the smell of attack dogs in the morning, they smell like...victory. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:4/6/2002 12:06:22 PM
kg--I love my Echo Mia--it's cheap and has killer specs, plus has full support via a dsp for hardware mixing and multiple apps. The good think about the Mia is it was designed relatively recently and its converters are the latest and greatest--check out the reviews. Bottom line is it works with everything and sounds great. Acid users always have to have a companion app to cover more than a couple of bases, too bad they only link via the laughingstock called the midi router. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:4/6/2002 7:10:29 PM
Bravo Maruuk ! I'm a huge fan of Acid, but very aware of its present shortcomings. It does desperately need to update quite a few fundamental areas. I'd much rather this happen in Acid than have to switch files between three or four different apps. I hate working that way. So bring on AcidPro 4 |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: gbat
Date:4/6/2002 9:13:55 PM
It may be a case of being "institutionalized" but I have grown accustomed to changing apps for my work. I do my midi in Band-In-A-Box and Power Tracks, record and add tracks in N-Tracks which uses BOTH vst and dx plugs, take it into Acid for some embellishments, and on to Sound Forge for mastering. I write pop, rock, and country so my use will differ from someone who does dance music. I'd rather have apps for certain duties that were lean and mean and bug-free than a conglomeration that breaks down all the time. Acid, in it's present form does it pretty well for me. But I ain't everybody. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: groovewerx
Date:4/6/2002 11:32:48 PM
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Subject:RE: Acid 3.0 Pro - worth buying?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:4/7/2002 12:53:43 PM
Too many young guys starting out with no bucks get trapped into the wrong soft-and-hard ware that doesn't do what they expected, and they're screwed. I've seen a lot of poor souls in this forum confused that Acid can't be used as a multitrack tape recorder, as the packaging suggests "unlimited audio tracks". They don't even know from loops. Expecting tyros to make midi routers work between apps when even pros can't shows the difficulties presented to aspiring composers and performers by non-integrated music apps. With all the idiots behind counters at the music stores, it's important that newbies get very straight, unbiased advice on their needs. For the most part, this forum does a pretty good job at that. |