Subject:ACID 3.0 ......... TOO MANY BUGS I THINK

Posted by: marcarotsky

Date:3/17/2002 3:14:23 AM

Ok, i gotta tell you, i've been using acid ( the program that is... ) for years, i started with the first release, and have been using it ever since. the company is great, they know what we need ( us remixers anyways )and the software is phenomenal. EXCEPT, the versions seem to get worse instead of better. is it me? i dont know...3.0 has more bugs and quirks and pops and clicks and freezes...etc...etc than i think all the other versions combined! DONT GET ME WRONG...acid is amazing. i just wish from now on, before a version is released, have it be COMPLETELY tested and bugs already worked out! I still think the first version of acid is the best. maybe its because ive used it for sooo long. not sure though. trying to insert fx in the new acid takes more time than its worth sometimes! i had quite a big session today with an artist and her manager for a remix ( professional ) and i spent more time downloading updates and fixes ( just bought 3.0 ) it was quite embarassing to be honest. anyway, to you sonic foundry guys or anyone else reading this, once again, dont think im knocking you...thats not my intent. the software is great. just be more patient i guess before you release "bug ridden" software!!! other than that, your software ( acid, sound forge ) is in my oppinion some of the best out there, and trust me, i've used em ALL!!!
--marc

Subject:RE: ACID 3.0 ......... TOO MANY BUGS I THINK

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:3/17/2002 1:52:46 PM

All software is buggy, no company has enough time and money to get ALL the bugs out before release. Just check out the user forums on Cakewalk products for an eye-opener on that score. The word CRASH appears so often you'd think the users were getting paid per use of it.

But having said that, you're right, it sucks and Acid's descent into alpha-and-beta-bet soup over the last months (3.0e, 3.0f, 3.0z...)has not produced the robust, rock-solid product we'd all hoped for. Why? Because SF has re-assigned a large segment of its Acid bug-fixers taskforce over to 4.0. If they hadn't. 4.0 would not be competetive and we would all be whining about it. SF has limited resources (they laid off 40% of their workforce last year)and needs to allocate them in the most efficient manner for successful products.

I say, we suck it up until 4.0--then let the chips fall where they may. Summer NAMM may not be IN Waterloo, but it will BE Waterloo.

Subject:RE: ACID 3.0 ......... TOO MANY BUGS I THINK

Reply by: marcarotsky

Date:3/17/2002 3:23:49 PM

ok, agreed! heres my problem now...i downloaded the update for 3.0 ( 3.0f ) and its corrupt!!! i downloaded it right from sonic foundrys websitte!! i went to go install it, and it says its corrupt. not a very happy camper right now. believe it or not, im still on dial up, so to download 24 megs took a looooooong ass time. now i need to do it again. but, like i said before...the program is great, and i'll always use their products, but im just a little p.o.'d right now. by the way, any suggestions on why and how the file got corrupt???
-thanx...
-marc

Subject:RE: ACID 3.0 ......... TOO MANY BUGS I THINK

Reply by: vanblah

Date:3/18/2002 1:47:47 PM

Any time you move a file across a network packets may be dropped. A packet is what your network card (or modem) breaks the data into so that it can be transported. There are error checking functions at both ends (your computer and SF servers) to prevent and/or compensate for this, but unfortunately it doesn't work 100% of the time. The longer you take to move a file, the more likely it is that you will get errors, and moving a file as large as 24MB takes a long time (as you are aware). You can try to download again or ask SF for a CD.

Subject:RE: ACID 3.0 ......... TOO MANY BUGS I THINK

Reply by: Erikb

Date:3/18/2002 3:51:09 PM

I AGREE! I have been using acid pro for a number of years even going from 2.0 to 3.0 on my lastest computer which I have had for 2 years (Athlon 800mhz, 512 Ram)and 2.0 was far more stable than any of the 3.0 and its updates. There are far to many errors that I never had with 2.0 and nothing has really changed on this computer since I migrated from 2.0 to 3.0 other than Acid itself.

Subject:RE: ACID 3.0 ......... TOO MANY BUGS I THINK

Reply by: Erikb

Date:3/18/2002 3:52:23 PM

I forgot to ask--IS Vegas Audio more stable than Acid Pro 3.0?

Subject:RE: ACID 3.0 ......... TOO MANY BUGS I THINK

Reply by: ATP

Date:3/18/2002 4:12:24 PM

hmm well it seems i'd better save my money and not get 3.0 after all. i don't really see what the big advantage over 2.0 is anyway, as there is still no proper support for midi, VST, Rewire and soundfonts. 4.0 better have at least 2 of those 4 properly incorporated...

Subject:RE: ACID 3.0 ......... TOO MANY BUGS I THINK

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:3/18/2002 8:10:35 PM

For me, the biggest reason to upgrade to the latest version of ACID was ACID Pro 3's much better time-stretching algorithm. Material just plain sounds better. (Fidelity always wins, doesn't it?) Add to that more options for routing hardware and better implementation of FX, setting an envelope over a whole set of events on a track (rather than having to set an envelope for each event in 2.0; that was a pain in the a$$), etc.

Maybe it's me, but I never thought of ACID as a sequencer in the truest sense, though it appears a lot of people do. I think of it as more of an arranger of digital audio. What's the difference? Sequencers I've tried in the past don't let you f--k with any one particular event. (Not as easy as it is to do with ACID and its sister application, Sound Forge, anyway.) Maybe now they do, but, in essence, those companies that made that software lost out on my money a long time ago.

Speaking of MIDI, I hardly use it as a music generating source. The only time I use MIDI is for uploading and downloading banks to my guitar effects processor. So ACID and Sound Forge are more a perfect fit for me than probably anything else out there now, if only because I use digital audio more than MIDI.

Bugs? Sure, I've had them. Who hasn't? Welcome to the wonderful world of computers. Even lost a project once (back in 2.0). Overall, though, I'd say my copy is pretty damned stable. Maybe those who are having problems with ACID need to look hard at their systems overall rather than blaming just the software alone?

Iacobus