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Subject:Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Posted by: Spirit
Date:3/16/2002 10:14:32 AM
Is SF doing ANYTHING ? Their products don;t seem to have been updated recently and they do nothing at messe ? Does anyone know whether Acid is a dead or dying platform, or does SF plan on more development ? A great silence here... |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:3/16/2002 6:25:59 PM
It wouldn't be so bad if they had ReWire, DXi or VST working now--not to mention REAL midi and REAL audio support--but they don't. They're waaaaay behind the curve and have a major catchup to be competetive. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:3/16/2002 6:31:09 PM
Do you hear anything about a new version ? Does SF say or indicate anything. I love the Acidpro demo and think to buy it but am worried that this is where everything will stop. It MIDI functions are so low that it's JUST passable but I'd like to think I might get an improvement. If not you'd think this old prouct would start to get a bit cheaper... Do any SF people ever visit this forum to give answers to these sort of things ? |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: Darklight20
Date:3/16/2002 7:04:29 PM
Acid is by far the best at matching loop tempos that i have come across in all these softwares. But it lacks everything else. They have sonar but i tried it and i think it sounded horrible when it sped loops up or pitched things. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: MacMoney
Date:3/16/2002 7:26:57 PM
Guy's Sonic Foundry is not going to let Acid line go! Let's just wait and see. Another good thing to do is BUG THE SHIT out of them about features! And I don't mean that dumb-ass stuff like "A pause feature while rendering to a new track so you can play your video games" Good features like DX FX automation DX Instruments WDM & ASIO Drivers support. ReWire Support. Better Midi Sequencer. Reverse Audio Pitch Envelopes Tap Tempo The only way IS to ask and ask a lot. I DO! George Ware |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:3/16/2002 7:31:18 PM
Good idea. I'll contact them now. Do they ever reply or say anything remotely encouraging ? You'd think it'd be about time for an update.... Also, can anyone tell me if SF are good at upgrade discounts ? If I buy AcidPro3 now will I get a decent deal if version 4 comes out soon do you think ? |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: David_Kuznicki
Date:3/16/2002 11:08:01 PM
Mac-- pitch envelopes? That is, without a doubt, the most clever Acid upgrade that I've heard anyone think of. Some of the other ones (ReWire and Midi) are pretty obvious, but what a GREAT idea with the pitch! Spirit-- if I were you, I'd just pick up Pro 3 & wait for 4. Last time, when they went from 2 to 3, they offered an upgrade for $99. Many places (Mars, Guitar Center, etc.) are offering Pro 3 & 3 loop discs for $199, which I think is an excellent value... Just my .02, of course. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:3/17/2002 3:32:46 AM
So do you think the Acidpro community is confident there actually will be a version 4 ? Anyone care to venture a guess when it might happen :) |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: MacMoney
Date:3/17/2002 11:42:12 AM
Oh YES When I don't know. SF has never talked about features before a product is released to the public. I don't see why they would start now. I know wouldn't, because if you tell the world it give your competitors time to react and sometimes a feature will not make the release deadline..BUT!!!!! you said it was coming! see my point? Cakewalk and Waves follow the same rule. Lets just see. I bug them every chance I get about features and performance! Acid is one of the most important software's that I use daily next to Vegas 3 and Sound Forge 5. I started out with Acid 1,2 now 3 so I'm holding on because I think Acid 4 when it comes, will be a nice ride. I'd like to hear what other users would like to see in A4? George Ware |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:3/17/2002 1:39:12 PM
One of the dynamics that's holding up things is undoubtably the complex politics involved in hooking up to the real world of competetive developers and their standards and license arrangements. When you get right down to the code level, spec is often not up to spec and there's a lot of patching and kluging needed to make these interconnectivity tools work in the Acid world. One of the clues this is going on is a reply from a SF guy on here last week to the "ideas" thread which mentioned a lot about open standards and compatibility--he said something like, "Rest assured, we hear you about these matters. SF is well aware of our user community's needs and we are taking steps to address them." Right now, SF-Acid Division has individual programmers assigned to individual soft modules such as ReWire and DXi and the bosses are over them with whips and bags of Oreos washed down with Jolt Cola trying to get the app to stop crashing every 37 seconds. And as soon as the boss turns the corner, the dude's back to Ultima IV online for another hour. It'll happen, and given SF's need to keep Acid on top and the brutal competition in this area of music software right now--they know they need to step up with a very serious product enhancement package. They could try to tough it out alone with their own "DXi"-like plug-in standard and their own stable of plug-in samplers and synths, but that would be suicide, it's too late for that--most of their users already have the softsynths and samplers they need--they just need to hook 'em up to Acid. The only logical direction is to go open standard, hook up with everybody. Let's face it, you can't beat Reason, you can't top Kontakt and all these hot new soft samplers flooding the market. You keep the gold standard of Acid solid but bring the rest of the world to you. The loyal Acid customers will hang in there if they can render Acid+samplerX+audio appY+softsynthZ all through one mixer. But think what that means--it doesn't make sense for SF to force us to add apps for what Acid should be covering in the first place, and that's full-spec MIDI and AUDIO. Acid obviously needs to cover these bases at least as well as Sonar--full piano key editing, full "unlimited" audio tracks support. Anything short of that in 4.0 would drive a lot of folks out of the camp toot sweet, baby. Just check out the advancements in Reason and Sonar 2.0 (they can talk to each other now!) and you know SF has to hear the footsteps behind 'em. SF might rather fight than switch to integration, but it'll be their Alamo. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:3/17/2002 7:02:51 PM
This is good information - thanks for letting us all know - you are well-informed ;) So the betting seems to be a AcidPro4 July release at NAMM ? |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:3/17/2002 7:44:53 PM
If SoFo hasn't got a major Acid upgrade (4.0) to even ANNOUNCE in Nashville on July 19th, fahgedaboudit. Turn in your stock for Enron debentures. Hopefully, we'll be seeing press releases on the new product well before then. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: BlueRajah
Date:3/17/2002 7:56:03 PM
George, you asked, so I'll mention one feature that I've already requested SF to develop for ACID: Some kind of reporting facility. Call it a track log or whatever you want, but I find that I could use a way of knowing at a glance not only what loops I'm using in a project, but what envelopes or FX I've applied, without having to hunt and peck through each track. The rest of the stuff -- more fancy doo-dads -- I'll leave to the guys who are heavily into electronica, dance, trance, techno, industrial, etc., etc. Since I prefer reaching for the more traditional sounds of amplified or acoustic instruments, I'm pretty satisfied with what ACID does now. In any event, there is a link on this web site to submit product suggestions directly to SF. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:3/17/2002 8:11:27 PM
I'd like to see some better MIDI specs - although I'm a little hesitant to ask because I don;t want SF to get distracted from the main (audio) core. That's what I displike about apps like Sonar - they try to do too much and end up pretty average at everything. But if was asked, well, what I'd like are: - ASIO support - Midi programming (simple piano-roll would be enough) - VSTi instruments What page is the "submit suggestions" link ? I can't see it. (I've sent off a few emails anyway) ;) |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: SHTUNOT
Date:3/17/2002 11:21:10 PM
In terms of asio support its not needed as far as I can tell because of WDM drivers...worry about that most of all. VSTi's...any company making VSTi's can/have/will make it into a DXi just as soon as they see more of a market for it. Sonar uses it extensively. Once Vegas/Acid have the ability to use DXi's you will see an increase in development/porting of VSTi's to DXi's. My biggest concern really is over how both acid can integrate with Vegas so that my work can get done quickly/efficiently as possible. I idealy would like all acid features integrated into Vegas and make acid a "little brother" program with the same loop based capability with some more power in the multitracking area[8 solid tracks of audio/unlimited loops]. I could settle with having a "rewire" type of relationship that would consist of having both Vegas and acid open at the same time feeding vegas through virtual outputs in acid to virtual inputs in Vegas. Both programs would be in sync and setup accordingly [ie:tempo,bit rate,MTC/wordclock,etc...] That way I would never stop my workflow to have to open a program to "touchup" a loop section. Of course all mixing would finish up in vegas. |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: MacMoney
Date:3/17/2002 11:36:42 PM
Here ya go product support http://www.sonicfoundry.com/support/productsuggestion.asp I hope they have something ready for summer NAMM. George Ware |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: MacMoney
Date:3/17/2002 11:42:21 PM
>In terms of asio support its not needed as far as I can tell because of WDM drivers...worry about that most of all. VSTi's...any company making VSTi's can/have/will make it into a DXi just as soon as they see more of a market for it. The reason I asked for ASIO and WDM is most windows sound cards support one of the three MME,ASIO and WDM it would take the guess work out of buying sound cards. We'll see I guess. George Ware |
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Subject:RE: Acid 4 - is it coming ? SF not at Messe ?
Reply by: Spirit
Date:3/18/2002 5:55:24 PM
I take the point about ASIO, but it would still be nice. certainly Dxi / VSTi is true too, so VSTi is not so important perhaps. But the music world is MIDI. Without decent MIDI you may as well curl up under a rock and forget the whole show. Number one wish is for basic piano-roll MIDI editing in Acid 4 Number two wish is Vegas-style multi-track support Number three wish is DXi instrument support |