Help with continuos tracks, bus, tempo changes, etc. -ACID Product Family

Subject:Help with continuos tracks, bus, tempo changes, etc. Posted by: PikkleFfolger Date:3/13/2002 8:27:18 AM Hello to Whom It May Concern, I just got acid 3.0/sonic forge5.0 and before I embark on a big project I have a few questions. I would greatly appreciate any assistance that you experts out there have aquired, and thanks in advance for any responses. 1. After I make a mix, say howeverlong in length, can I break it up into seperate tracks and then burn in on a CD that can be played in any CD player. The OTHER catch is that there is NO 2-3 second delay between tracks the music is continuous. How is is this possible, please advise. 2. I don't have any experience, but really like HI-NRG and Trance music and want to make good mixes. It seems that the best mixes come from songs with the same tempo. What is a good method to change the tempo or how can you make creative smooth conversions from song to song with different tempos? 3. What other practical or creative uses does the chopper have in acid 3.0 besides drum roll buildups? Isn't it better to edit in the sound forge5.0. Are there other advanteges, or special features, or easy of use issues for either? 4. Finally the lame newbie question: In the bottom right corner you have the option to add a bus. What is the use/purpose of this, what can you do with it, is it valuable? I feel I can do most things that I need to do, and understand a good portion of the possibilites of the program, but I don't understand how to use or what to use a bus for! Thanks again for any help, I really look forward to any responses! Sincerely, Mike
Subject:RE: Help with continuos tracks, bus, tempo changes, etc. Reply by: Iacobus Date:3/13/2002 3:36:26 PM 1. Depends on how you go about it. For example, you could render a project in ACID that contains several independent music tracks as one whole WAV or PCA and bring that into Sound Forge. Then you could set regions and extract them independently as WAV's. From there, you'd burn them to CD using the program of choice. Note that ACID and Sound Forge, at this time, burn using Track-at-Once (TAO). TAO requires a 2-3 second gap. You'll want an app that can burn using Disc-at-Once (DAO), which allows no gaps between tracks. Vegas Video 3 now has this feature, as do Easy CD Creator from Roxio and Nero Burning ROM from Ahead Software. 2. To change the tempo in something like ACID, you'd set the cursor where you want the tempo change to occur and then press "T" on your keyboard and enter an appropriate tempo. 3. The Chopper is a great tool to have if you don't like how a loop is arranged. Say you like a loop but you'd want the middle of the loop to be at the beginning, the Chopper is great for this purpose. Or say you want only a portion of the loop and want to discard the rest. Using such methods will have people guessing if you used "canned" loops or not (should you use them). The Chopper is quite a creative inspiration. Sound Forge specialty is to record, tweak and mangle any original material you create as well as existing material. It's basically the perfect compliment to ACID Pro. I honestly wouldn't have one without the other. 4. A bus will let you do things such as route tracks/effects to specific hardware installed on your system or just as a master control for a set of tracks. For example, if you'd like to apply an effect across of a number of tracks but wanted to keep them all at the same level of effect, a bus would be the perfect way to go. (I believe busses are at the end of the signal chain as well.) HTH, Iacobus
Subject:RE: Help with continuos tracks, bus, tempo changes, etc. Reply by: Woodsposse Date:3/14/2002 2:44:50 PM I agree. Here is a thought added to the bus issue. Let's say you wanted to apply a certain effect to just tracks 2 and 3, but not 1 and 2. You could apply it directly to just track 2 and 3, but you would have to do it individually. Adding the effect to the bus...then applying the bus to track 2 and 3 pretty much takes care of that. (Now, just image doing that to more than just 2 tracks...then you may start to see why they are so important) I couldn't see adding flange to 14 different tracks (out of my 20 track mix), but I can see applying it to the bus - then the bus to those track.

Subject:Help with continuos tracks, bus, tempo changes, etc.

Date:3/13/2002 8:27:18 AM

Hello to Whom It May Concern,

I just got acid 3.0/sonic forge5.0 and before I embark on a big project I have a few questions. I would greatly appreciate any assistance that you experts out there have aquired, and thanks in advance for any responses.

1. After I make a mix, say howeverlong in length, can I break it up into seperate tracks and then burn in on a CD that can be played in any CD player. The OTHER catch is that there is NO 2-3 second delay between tracks the music is continuous. How is is this possible, please advise.

2. I don't have any experience, but really like HI-NRG and Trance music and want to make good mixes. It seems that the best mixes come from songs with the same tempo. What is a good method to change the tempo or how can you make creative smooth conversions from song to song with different tempos?

3. What other practical or creative uses does the chopper have in acid 3.0 besides drum roll buildups? Isn't it better to edit in the sound forge5.0. Are there other advanteges, or special features, or easy of use issues for either?

4. Finally the lame newbie question: In the bottom right corner you have the option to add a bus. What is the use/purpose of this, what can you do with it, is it valuable? I feel I can do most things that I need to do, and understand a good portion of the possibilites of the program, but I don't understand how to use or what to use a bus for!

Thanks again for any help, I really look forward to any responses!

Sincerely,
Mike

Subject:RE: Help with continuos tracks, bus, tempo changes, etc.

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:3/13/2002 3:36:26 PM

1. Depends on how you go about it. For example, you could render a project in ACID that contains several independent music tracks as one whole WAV or PCA and bring that into Sound Forge. Then you could set regions and extract them independently as WAV's. From there, you'd burn them to CD using the program of choice.

Note that ACID and Sound Forge, at this time, burn using Track-at-Once (TAO). TAO requires a 2-3 second gap. You'll want an app that can burn using Disc-at-Once (DAO), which allows no gaps between tracks. Vegas Video 3 now has this feature, as do Easy CD Creator from Roxio and Nero Burning ROM from Ahead Software.

2. To change the tempo in something like ACID, you'd set the cursor where you want the tempo change to occur and then press "T" on your keyboard and enter an appropriate tempo.

3. The Chopper is a great tool to have if you don't like how a loop is arranged. Say you like a loop but you'd want the middle of the loop to be at the beginning, the Chopper is great for this purpose. Or say you want only a portion of the loop and want to discard the rest.

Using such methods will have people guessing if you used "canned" loops or not (should you use them). The Chopper is quite a creative inspiration.

Sound Forge specialty is to record, tweak and mangle any original material you create as well as existing material. It's basically the perfect compliment to ACID Pro. I honestly wouldn't have one without the other.

4. A bus will let you do things such as route tracks/effects to specific hardware installed on your system or just as a master control for a set of tracks. For example, if you'd like to apply an effect across of a number of tracks but wanted to keep them all at the same level of effect, a bus would be the perfect way to go. (I believe busses are at the end of the signal chain as well.)

HTH,
Iacobus

Subject:RE: Help with continuos tracks, bus, tempo changes, etc.

Reply by: Woodsposse

Date:3/14/2002 2:44:50 PM

I agree.

Here is a thought added to the bus issue.

Let's say you wanted to apply a certain effect to just tracks 2 and 3, but not 1 and 2. You could apply it directly to just track 2 and 3, but you would have to do it individually. Adding the effect to the bus...then applying the bus to track 2 and 3 pretty much takes care of that. (Now, just image doing that to more than just 2 tracks...then you may start to see why they are so important)

I couldn't see adding flange to 14 different tracks (out of my 20 track mix), but I can see applying it to the bus - then the bus to those track.