Please Help with Fading Effects and Music Layers? -ACID Product Family

Subject:Please Help with Fading Effects and Music Layers? Posted by: PikkleFfolger Date:3/12/2002 8:30:43 AM Hello there, To whom it may concern. I recently bought the acid 3.0/sound forge 5.0 and have been tinkering with it, I saw this forum yesterday and would greatly appreciate it if anybody could answer a few questions I have. I do not have any contacts or resources to find out what I need to do what I want. My goal is to mix/ remix/ compose > Dance Music: Hi-NRG/Trance/Progressive, etc... Maybe dabble with classical music or classical-dance combos. My questions are, When using Soundforge to edit music by adding effects can you actually fade the effect. My problem is I use a reverb or flange, or strange interesting effect and there is no transition into the effect! Also can this be done on acid without the soundforge? Is there a way to fade into and out of and transition effects throughout selections? Second, can you any way break down a song into the layers: I.E. Vocal/Harmony/Synthesizer Melody/ Beats/ Etc. So I could take vocals, meodies, and beats from three different songs and experiment with combinations! How can this be done, or can it, or what can I use to do this! Lastly, Can you perform smooth transactions from song to song like in continuous dance club music, if so do you have any information or links that explain this, maybe providing tips and pointers. Thank you very much for your time. If this inquiry is misplaced, I appologize. Thanks in advance for any replies or assistance. Sincerely, Mike
Subject:RE: Please Help with Fading Effects and Music Layers? Reply by: Iacobus Date:3/12/2002 1:32:49 PM Ready? Answers (in order): 1. Your best bet is probably to copy all the audio data to a new window (CTRL+A, CTRL+C and then CTRL+E), apply whatever effects you want to the copy, switch back to your original and then do a paste mix (CTRL+M). Sounds rather complicated, but there's a whole wealth of customization available depending on how you go about it. Alternatively, you may apply the effect in real time in ACID Pro 3. (ACID Pro 3 is the only version of ACID that lets you use effects envelopes.) Just create an assignable FX chain in the lower right of the ACID window, then right-click the track in question you'd like to apply the effect to and select Insert/Remove Envelope>FX n (where "n" represents the assignable FX number). You should see a blue line running across the track. To get the effect you want, drag the line all the way to -Inf. dB, double-click on various points along the line to create envelope points and adjust as necessary. In addition, segments between points can be adjusted by right-clicking and selecting an appropriate fade—linear, fast or slow. 2. Not really. In a nutshell, once a song is finally mixed together, there's no absolute way to extract any one portion of the audio. Think of it like eggs blended into a cake mix. Once you get the eggs in there, there isn't any way you're going to get them completely out. (I gave up chocolate for Lent if anybody is wondering why I'm making kooky metaphors; I'm hullucinating at this point.) 3. Certainly. You can do this in both Sound Forge or ACID. To do it in ACID, select two events in the track view and press "F" on your keyboard. To do it in Sound Forge, try the method I described in answer 1. (Be sure to position the cursor where you want the mix to begin first.) You can also simply drag the data in a selection from one window to the other. The cursor should change reflecting that you want to mix the data. Also try the two other mixing options by toggle-clicking (right-clicking while holding down the primary mouse button). The other available mixing options are paste and crossfade (probably what you'd want). You're welcome! Iacobus

Subject:Please Help with Fading Effects and Music Layers?

Date:3/12/2002 8:30:43 AM

Hello there, To whom it may concern.

I recently bought the acid 3.0/sound forge 5.0 and have been tinkering with it, I saw this forum yesterday and would greatly appreciate it if anybody could answer a few questions I have. I do not have any contacts or resources to find out what I need to do what I want.

My goal is to mix/ remix/ compose > Dance Music: Hi-NRG/Trance/Progressive, etc...
Maybe dabble with classical music or classical-dance combos.

My questions are,
When using Soundforge to edit music by adding effects can you actually fade the effect. My problem is I use a reverb or flange, or strange interesting effect and there is no transition into the effect! Also can this be done on acid without the soundforge? Is there a way to fade into and out of and transition effects throughout selections?

Second, can you any way break down a song into the layers:
I.E. Vocal/Harmony/Synthesizer Melody/ Beats/ Etc. So I could take vocals, meodies, and beats from three different songs and experiment with combinations! How can this be done, or can it, or what can I use to do this!

Lastly,
Can you perform smooth transactions from song to song like in continuous dance club music, if so do you have any information or links that explain this, maybe providing tips and pointers.

Thank you very much for your time. If this inquiry is misplaced, I appologize. Thanks in advance for any replies or assistance.

Sincerely,
Mike

Subject:RE: Please Help with Fading Effects and Music Layers?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:3/12/2002 1:32:49 PM

Ready?

Answers (in order):

1. Your best bet is probably to copy all the audio data to a new window (CTRL+A, CTRL+C and then CTRL+E), apply whatever effects you want to the copy, switch back to your original and then do a paste mix (CTRL+M). Sounds rather complicated, but there's a whole wealth of customization available depending on how you go about it.

Alternatively, you may apply the effect in real time in ACID Pro 3. (ACID Pro 3 is the only version of ACID that lets you use effects envelopes.) Just create an assignable FX chain in the lower right of the ACID window, then right-click the track in question you'd like to apply the effect to and select Insert/Remove Envelope>FX n (where "n" represents the assignable FX number). You should see a blue line running across the track.

To get the effect you want, drag the line all the way to -Inf. dB, double-click on various points along the line to create envelope points and adjust as necessary. In addition, segments between points can be adjusted by right-clicking and selecting an appropriate fade—linear, fast or slow.

2. Not really. In a nutshell, once a song is finally mixed together, there's no absolute way to extract any one portion of the audio. Think of it like eggs blended into a cake mix. Once you get the eggs in there, there isn't any way you're going to get them completely out. (I gave up chocolate for Lent if anybody is wondering why I'm making kooky metaphors; I'm hullucinating at this point.)

3. Certainly. You can do this in both Sound Forge or ACID.

To do it in ACID, select two events in the track view and press "F" on your keyboard.

To do it in Sound Forge, try the method I described in answer 1. (Be sure to position the cursor where you want the mix to begin first.) You can also simply drag the data in a selection from one window to the other. The cursor should change reflecting that you want to mix the data. Also try the two other mixing options by toggle-clicking (right-clicking while holding down the primary mouse button). The other available mixing options are paste and crossfade (probably what you'd want).

You're welcome!

Iacobus