Sony FS5 clips crashing Vegas

redpaw wrote on 7/4/2016, 8:13 AM

So, after problems with ProRes clips from BlackMagic4k i moved to fs5 hoping that vegas can handle those clips better... well, how wrong was i.
Because it's XVAC-L it's painfully slow to edit, but of course you can with proxies, so you can get away with that.

The big problem is, that after importing over 100 clips (1080p50) vegas crashes every single time.
Have to convert all the clips first to Sony MXF preset as i used to do with prores... unfortunately it doesnt even offer 50fps in 1080p...

5820K @ 4.2GHz (also tried stock 3.3GHz), 16GB RAM, radeon 390x with 4GB... tried GTX560Ti, no change.

Probably not even worth submitting the ticket at this stage... will just wait for v14 and hope for the best...

Wanted to try Magix seeing if they have the same problem in their software, but after downloading the trial version it says you need to purchase an extra licence to be able to work with xvac files.

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OldSmoke wrote on 7/4/2016, 9:03 AM

Try running the camera files through Catalyst Browse or Catalyst prepare transcoding it to Sony XAVC-Intra MXF files. Your machine should be able to handle 1080 50p quite well. Which card are you using for GPU acceleration and in with slot is it located?

redpaw wrote on 7/4/2016, 9:53 AM

I did re-convert them in vegas (at about 50-at time) to XAVC-I as well... but the same thing happens - i mean crashing... the playback was indeed smooth.
i had only one card in at the time, when trying the geforce i removed ati. (the playback with ati was much much better)

also tried with gpu off and with different dynamic ram values... no changes. still crashing

OldSmoke wrote on 7/4/2016, 10:37 AM

I have worked with XAVC-L files from a PWX-X70 and had no issues other then slow playback. Once converted to XAVC-Intra there was no issue at all. That particular projects was a documentary and had close 400 files. My system is much older then yours and it still worked fine.
You may have some other gremlins in your system or some 3rd party plugin that doesn't play along well. The 5820K has 28 PCIe lanes and putting in more then one card doesn't help much aside from being able to render MC AVC with full GPU support when installing the GTX560.

redpaw wrote on 7/4/2016, 12:44 PM

Hmm... interesting. I'll try to uninstall the plugins... at least there's hope.
Sorry, i wasnt clear... i put the gtx560 in just to replace radeon to check if it was maybe the graphic card's fault, not to have them both in to boost the performance.
Thanks for the help, i'll try that out and hopefully find the weak link

OldSmoke wrote on 7/4/2016, 1:31 PM

Does the project/Vegas crash immediately or while playback or during rendering? Is your power supply sufficient?

redpaw wrote on 7/4/2016, 5:24 PM

It actually crashes / hangs while loading preview images on the timeline...
here's a quick (and quite terrible) video i quickly shot with my phone, but i think it clearly shows... and it's always in the same place...
the task manager shows at this stage around 10GB of RAM used and counting.

i tried to open the project on my laptop and it's working fine... uninstalled all the plugins that are not installed on laptop (and more) and still no change, so it doesnt look like that's the issue.

the only difference is that my main pc is running win10, and the laptop is on win7 (and i also see that you're using win7 as well?)

redpaw wrote on 7/4/2016, 5:30 PM

i also tried switching 'thumbnail to show in video events' to 'none', which actually helped loading the project... and you can play bits of it... but when it plays through the whole thing the used memory rockets again to 10GB and vegas freezes the same way.

redpaw wrote on 7/4/2016, 5:45 PM

ok, got it! actual problem was.... the paging file in windows was for some reason switched off ;/

everything is working perfectly now!

Thanks OldSmoke for your help!

OldSmoke wrote on 7/4/2016, 6:04 PM

That's strange. I don't use a pagefile, just the minimum size. I am actually on Windows 10 Pro 64 bit. I am glad you figured it out.

redpaw wrote on 7/5/2016, 6:08 AM

ok.. it was a little premature. it still freezes, it's just it can handle more files before it happens now.

Thinking that maybe you dont have those issues because of the 32gb ram you have. because it does look like a memory issue... i actually bit a bullet and ordered another 16gb... so will see if that helps.

K-Decisive wrote on 7/6/2016, 11:37 AM

Use resolve to create cineform.AVI files. Once you do that you are home free.

This is what I use for BMCC BM4K, should work for anything as long as Resolve can import it.

Roundtripping is even better.
hope this helps

redpaw wrote on 7/12/2016, 3:04 PM

thanks K-Decisive... I'm just trying to avoid any need for conversions etc...

Just got the extra 16GB today and it looks like it helped.

Loading and putting all 4hrs of footage (~300-400 clips) on the timeline for some reason needs almost 24GB of RAM!

here's what dragging all the clips on the timeline moment for similar projects with footage from FS5 and EX1/EX3 looks like when monitoring memory usage:

[IMG=dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8874706/vegas/ram1.jpg]FS5[/IMG]

[IMG=dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8874706/vegas/ram2.jpg]FS5[/IMG]

[IMG=dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8874706/vegas/ram5.jpg]EX1/EX3[/IMG]

[IMG=dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8874706/vegas/ram6.jpg]EX1/EX3[/IMG]

such a difference!