Format for Mac-to-Projection @ Live Event?

Soniclight wrote on 3/8/2016, 10:48 AM
First, I have VP10e, and Win7 64 bit. I have a deadline -- by late today or early tomorrow, and it needs to be uploaded to or by DropBox or downloaded from my Google Drive. My test renders using WMV at 1920x1080 come out to about 880 MB. At less than 1 MB upload DSL speed, this is going to be an all night upload.

Second, I never rendered for Mac platforms -- and the organizer will be using what has become common: using a laptop to plug into and display on a large background screen.

Third, my Handbrake update nuked all of my various presets, including the MP4 custom one's I in part based on Musicvid10s classic YouTube tutorial. Which I believe were applicable to not just YouTube, but any form of MP4.

And due to music being central to this project and the dropping by Handbrake of an important audio rendering engine due to copyright stuff, maybe I could pull off a decent MP4 or ? through VP10e?.

And here is the monkey-wrench in the mix:

While I have done a pretty good job in post, this is a project for which I lost the original 1929 x1080 .veg and have only a one layer or single total-render that was 800 x 400 (yes, not 16:9), but I've added color co-ordinated horizontal letterboxes. So I'm starting with an up-rez, and while it's noticable, due to the subject matter, the softer look actually fits the ethos of the video.

The person doing the event is not tech savvy and so here is what I would appreciate as feedback -- A.S.A.P.

A. VP project is 4:35 min. at 1920 x 1080 progressive, 8-bit (fine with me, only kind bit rate I've ever used).
B. What settings and format in Handbrake should I use if I render the master to uncompressed AVI, then Handbrake it? (I have the space, then once converted, I nuke the AVI.)
C. Could I sidestep having to use Handbrake and use something native to VP10e that would work, and again, what settings?

Naturally I need to find a "sweet spot" between file size and image quality. But I'd rather err on the side of quality for that just would mean I'd do an overnight upload that my spill into morning...

I really need your detailed input on best approach.
Thank you.

~ Philip

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Soniclight wrote on 3/8/2016, 5:16 PM
Mes apologies, but gotta bump. It's been up for hours.

That said, I've narrowed it down to to formats that should work on her laptop - m4v (Apple native) and mp4 (since my research yielded that they are essentially the same). The question now remains on what settings to choose for both of these for the laptop-to-large screen playback. I also don't know what her processor speed is on her particular Mac laptop or whatever Apple calls those...

Since I should use VBR, what would be the best average or max and min.?

For mp4, I may go 2-pass for transitioning from total black to the beginning gently zoomed out black and white still image part of the event, there is the "blotchy" artifacts going on for about 1-2 seconds. I'd like completely avoid that or at least greatly reduce it.

Again, any help and wisdom direly needed and appreciated.
Steve Grisetti wrote on 3/8/2016, 7:15 PM
There's no reason to make it harder than it is.

Just render your video as Main Concept AVC using the template for Internet HD 1080p.

This should give you an excellent-looking mp4.

You could probably tweak it by trying VBR and increased bit rate, etc. But it's not going to make a noticeable difference. This is all you need for a great projection from an mp4.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/8/2016, 8:20 PM
> "Just render your video as Main Concept AVC using the template for Internet HD 1080p."

+1

...and if 1080p is too big, try 720p. This should still look fine for a projector. TwoPass should make it look even better. MP4 is the ubiquitous format for both PC and Mac.

~jr
Soniclight wrote on 3/9/2016, 11:55 AM
Thanks for input.
I did try Mainconcept but, man, Vegas is so sllllloooow in rendering it, I've switched over to XMedia encoder. Not having much luck with Handbrake.
Soniclight wrote on 3/9/2016, 2:22 PM
Thank you for all of your input. I did a 2-pass 1920/1080p mp4 via XMedia converter and it stuttered playing on my desktop (my OS drive is on an SSD). An earlier 1/2 size 960/540p converted to 1-pass mp4 played smoothly. And I'm using Quicktime player to make sure it is Mac-friendly. For some reason converting to Mac native m4v version of this 4:35 video had problems playing.

So I'm rendering my master AVI as per the JohnnyRoy suggested alternative for an mp4 2-pass that should work fine - 1280/720p.

Advantage: smaller file to upload and download, and less CPU intensive for a laptop.

NRN.

Soniclight wrote on 3/9/2016, 8:01 PM
Job done, and delivered. And... I did use VP's MainConcept MP4 -- the XMedia converter messed up the gamma (full black was not full black, etc.). Came out nice. It went fast this time for I used the uncompressed AVI master, muting all other tracks. I think it went slow the first time in part that it was rendering a 1080p and it had to process all the events, fx chains, etc.

So thank you all for saving my derrière on this one. :)