Resolution when importing pictures off internet?

onionsayswhat wrote on 2/15/2015, 12:21 PM
I saved a lot of picture off of the internet to my hard drive and imported them into my project.

I got to wondering how they would look on a wide screen so I burned a blu ray of a bunch of them and played them back.

Interesting in that some looked lousy and some looked great.

So I checked the properties and of course found out the lousy ones were low pixels.

Of course low pixels looking bad is not a surprise but just how depending on the pictures I saved some had high pixel counts and some low.

What determines the pixel count?

I saved them all the same way into Microsoft Picture Manager and I think that it automatically sets them to jpeg? or jpg. There is no option to select a different option as far as I know so I would think that if they are all jpg or all the same format, the pixel count should be the same for all?

But it looks like the pixel rate is determined by the actual source picture?

Somewhat confusing.

So the ones that looked lousy when saved and then rendered, I started to just take footage of them w my camcorder right off of my computer screen, that way they are 1440 by 1080? I guess if you take footage w a camcorder the quality is whatever the camcorder is set to.

I.e. number or pixels/quality is determined by the camcorder settings not the source picture being filmed? (Ok I know it's not film but I like that term anyways, makes me feel like I'm a big time movie studio head),

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DocSatori wrote on 2/15/2015, 6:54 PM
How old are you?
onionsayswhat wrote on 2/15/2015, 8:27 PM
Why do you ask?

I assume that is an insult.

Well screw you then.

I am a novice so why don't you just shut up.

I'm just starting out fool.

How old are you fool?
MSmart wrote on 2/15/2015, 8:48 PM
I'm not sure why Doc would ask that. Maybe just a bad day....

I'm not defending him but I would recommend you delete your second post and just ignore it.

But it looks like the pixel rate is determined by the actual source picture?

Yes.

So the ones that looked lousy when saved and then rendered, I started to just take footage of them w my camcorder right off of my computer screen

Don't do that. It really won't help.

If you really need to use low res photos from the net, you may get better results by uprezing them with a photo editor.
Chienworks wrote on 2/16/2015, 11:49 AM
I'm not sure why you would save them into a picture manager that would modify them in anyway. I always just right-mouse-button click and choose 'save image'. This gives you the actual image displayed on the web page, unaltered.

The pixel size of the image is ... well ... the pixel size of the image. Whoever posted the image will have chosen what size to use and that's the size you get.
onionsayswhat wrote on 2/16/2015, 2:37 PM
Yes that is what I do. Right click and save.

Yes that is what I am seeing - the pixel sizes differ depending on the source picture.

What I did not realize but found out is when someone is putting a picture up on their website, they are selecting a picture resolution which comes through when using the right click save as function.

Of course- you already knew this but I didn't so I just learned that's how it works.

The picture manager is not modifying the resolution but just taking it off of the source picture. Hmm well - next time I will check. I guess if I right click on the picture it will give you the properties drop down and prob can see what resolution the picture was uploaded as.

It works well to just use my camcorder and just make video footage of the picture straight off the computer screen and that way it ends up being 1440 by 1080!

Of you can just print the picture off and film it that way too as well as just film any picture in a book etc.

Thanks for you help.

AS regards the repy to the negative poster my feeling is if someone insults me I am entitled to respond in kind.

But I never insult anyone unilaterally.

Thanks for your help!
onionsayswhat wrote on 2/16/2015, 2:39 PM
OH wow.

Cool.

So you can just change the pixel resolution w photo editors?

Cool Totally cool.

I did not know that.

I am really learning cool stuff!

Thanks!
onionsayswhat wrote on 12/25/2015, 9:45 PM
Thanks, what location on your computer is the best place to save them to?
MSmart wrote on 12/26/2015, 10:25 AM
A hard disk drive.
Chienworks wrote on 12/26/2015, 11:13 AM
"Thanks, what location on your computer is the best place to save them to?"

Any location that makes sense to you and you'll remember later on.
TOG62 wrote on 12/26/2015, 11:33 AM
I'd probably create a folder in the My Pictures system folder or a pictures folder in Downloads.
onionsayswhat wrote on 12/26/2015, 12:13 PM
Right click save works if it is only a picture you want but sometimes I want the entire screen image.

For instance, I did a search on Linkedin which resulted in 20 profiles w pictures but also with a lot of printed text. the only thing that got saved were the pictures and not the text when doing, right click, save as.

I am seeing youtube videos that show the pixels being increased from 72 to 300.

In Picture manager, I increased the pixels from 979x528x32 to 1600 x 818 x24 by simply using auto correct and it did improve the quality some so not sure why people are saying the picture quality can't be improved?
D7K wrote on 12/26/2015, 12:35 PM
I'd suggest you check out the copy right laws.....even posting to youtube can get you in trouble if you include copyrighted work in your videos. Just like the music industry, photographers and stock houses - unless you are using "free images" from the stock houses- can and will protect their copyrights.

Chienworks wrote on 12/26/2015, 6:47 PM
"72 to 300" is most likely just the "pixels per inch", which is meaningless as far as image size is concerned.

Changing the image from 979x528 to 1600x818 didn't improve it. If anything it's blurrier now than it was at a smaller size. However, it is possible that whatever you did to increase the size used a better algorithm than Vegas uses, which means it might be LESS worse.

You didn't mention before that you were doing full screen captures. You can do this by pressing the PrtScr key (some systems require holding down Ctrl or the Fn key with it, consult your documentation or simply try the different options until one works) and then pasting as a new image into any handy photo editing software. Save as a PNG file and then use in Vegas. There are no more steps necessary than that.
onionsayswhat wrote on 12/26/2015, 11:19 PM
What makes you think I using copyrighted works? I never said that. I use works in the public domain. However your point on Youtube, well 75% of what is posted there is posted in violation of copyright so youtube is not the best example. I don't know of anybody who got sued for posting on youtube. If the copyright owner complains they usually just make you take down the video as far as I know. Most of the movies and tv shows etc there, the people apparently feel all they need to do is state that it's for educational purpose, and that they do not own the rights an apparently most of the posters there feel that makes it' OK to rob the hard work of others. That is a good topic for another discussion as apparently that makes it legal? I.e. stating for non-commercial, educational use makes it ok for anyone to rob your work? However, I never use copyrighted material but there is much in the public domain that anyone can use. I am not referring to Youtube but elsewhere. I think Youtube should be shut down as it's the work or others, at least as far as the movies and documentaries and other such videos posted there. Things in the public domain can be used by anyone and even copyrighted by the new user as long as you use them in a different way.
onionsayswhat wrote on 12/26/2015, 11:34 PM
OK thanks. I was also posting on Creative Cow and learned a lot there too. Here is what I learned, that pasting the screen shot into word - well word denigrates the image. There's a better way of wording what occurs when pasting into word but the bottom line is image quality is reduced.

Today, I was able to take the screen shots via cntrl, alt, print screen and paste them directly into Picture Manager w resulting resolution of approx 1600 x 850 - not looking at it now and I don't have the program open but it was a higher resolution than what I got when pasting into Word.

So prob what was a happening yesterday was the word paste reduced the quality of the original screen shot and all I was doing in Picture Manager when I used AUTO CORRECT was restoring it back to the 1600 x 850 - uh those may not be the exact figures but close.

So it did improve the image quality - at least on the WORD images - again these are screen shots of the entire computer screen w 20 or so pictures and then the text too.

Anyways pasting direct to Picture Manager - I was quite pleased w the resolution when viewed in MStudio. It was much better than yesterday.

Here's something else I was told:

"If you want entire web pages with images and text then screen captures are the best way to go. If you have access to Photoshop then use that. If not, you might want to download a free image editor like GIMP and paste them into that to save them as JPEG files. You can also use Microsoft Paint that comes with Windows just to save them as JPEG. GIMP will take a while to learn but it will be worth it because you will get better quality from resizing your photos properly for 1920 x 1080 HD."

The other thing I learned is that if the size of the image in Mstudio does not match the project settings I render the project in, the image quality of clips that are lower than what I render in, will be even worse when rendered.

SO that my images that are at 1600 x 850 or whatever the exact numbers are (Not looking at them right now) will look WORSE IF RENDERED in 1920 x 1080.

For this small project I am doing, it does not have to be HD so I will just render it in Standard and should hot have a problem w the image resolution looking worse.

Yesterday I was attempting to paste images into Picture Manager but it was not working. Problem something simple I was doing wrong as my god there is nothing to it. Like you said just ctrl, alt, prnt screen and then paste.

Anyways - it worked well today.

Thanks for all of your help and I guess I know understand there is only so much that is possible as regards resolution.

Although GIMP might help.

However I was told that working w printed text and trying to get a good resolution is not a simple thing.


onionsayswhat wrote on 12/26/2015, 11:38 PM
MSmart - The better thing would have been for you to recommend the offending party to remove his post, not me.
onionsayswhat wrote on 12/26/2015, 11:42 PM
I was also told that going from 72 to 300 only works with pictures and not for the type of thing I am doing.
onionsayswhat wrote on 12/26/2015, 11:53 PM
Here's some other good stuff I was told:

"That is one of the confusing parts about working with images. Don't be fooled... that parameter is for print and has nothing to do with video! The parameter is called DPI which stands for Dots Per Inch and refers to how many dots your printer uses to create a square inch of print. Most printers are 300 DPI. By changing the DPI in Photoshop to 300, you can then change the width and height to a familiar 5 inch by 7 inches and Photoshop will change the pixel count to get a guaranteed 5x7 print. This has absolutely nothing to do with video since Full HD is always 1920 x 1080 regardless of whether you view it on a 20 inch, 40 inch, or 60 inch screen! Computer screens are referred to as having 72 DPI so just leave that parameter on 72 if you are working with images for video."
Chienworks wrote on 12/27/2015, 9:16 AM
"Computer screens are referred to as having 72 DPI so just leave that parameter on 72 if you are working with images for video."

Actually that part is completely unnecessary and should be ignored as it is misleading. Monitors are most definitely not fixed at 72dpi, otherwise the only possible size for a 1920x1080 monitor would be 30.6", a 40" would be 2510x1412, and a 21" monitor would be 1318x741 pixels. As it is, my 8" tablet is 183.6dpi, a 40" 1920x1080 monitor is 55dpi, and a 24" 4K monitor is 110.1dpi.

All you need to remember is that DPI is meaningless in video, and just leave it at that. If you ever see a DPI measurement, whether it be 300, 72, or anything else, just ignore it and pretend you didn't even see it. You'll be happier and your life will be much easier.
onionsayswhat wrote on 12/27/2015, 8:45 PM
OK I understand your point. Good point Chienworks.

I need to remember that - the pictures are different than video.

This has been a good learning experience.

It confirmed what I need to do.

Thanks!
D7K wrote on 12/28/2015, 2:00 PM
I didn't say you were, but just because something is offered on a site for free doesn't mean that the site owns the rights to the images. Yes, many folks do things on Youtube that are copyright infringements that don't get caught. But I happen to think that even folks who are famous for making slight changes to art and then reselling it are thieves. I know artists and photographers who need every dollar their art can generate. I just posted my information in case you didn't know.