Highest bit rate settings for MP4?

Captain August wrote on 12/15/2015, 12:20 AM
I need 1080p (1440p is a +) 60fps with a very high bit rate. anywhere from 60-100 Mbps. I know this seems like overkill but Youtube crushes video quality so hard you need a ridiculously high bit rate to make it look decent. I have tried experimenting but haven't found a good option yet. I used adobe premiere and it looked VERY good with a variable bitrate target set at 80 with a maximun bit rate of 100. I had other serious issues with it though so now I am trying Sony. Is there anything comparable in quality?

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MSmart wrote on 12/15/2015, 8:43 PM
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musicvid10 wrote on 12/15/2015, 9:31 PM
What feeding Youtube those kind of bitrates means are long encoding times, long upload times, and long processing times with no improvement in YT delivery whatsoever. Believe me when I say the tests have already been done. You simply cannot force their encoders past their preemptory vbv-maxrate ceiling. In other words, superoptimal bitrates cause no improvement.

Although admittedly dated, the link given above given contains relevant discussion.

Warper wrote on 12/17/2015, 7:10 AM
Mostly you need better quality if your source is too complex for low bitrate, but generally youtube will not give you high bitrate anyway. It does not bother what bitrate you have in upload.

First of all, you should remove shaking, ghosting and noise.
Deshakers are available. Make your choice.
Ghosting comes from resampling (try disable resample in video events properties if for any reason you use variable fps or different fps for source and render), deinterlace (either use external quality deinterlacer or stick to interpolate fields deinterlacer options) and motion blur.
Noise is a part of picture, and proper denoise helps a bit.
But in extreme case the picture is a part of noise, since it can't fit into set bitrate... You can use Sony Blur with some extreme values to force reduction of picture finesse/complexity. Sometimes it's better to end up with 500p quality picture with minimal artifacts on youtube rather than 1080p quality full of random block here and there. You still encode and upload it as 1080p.
musicvid10 wrote on 12/18/2015, 10:54 AM
I've never gotten open water scenes to play right on YT because of the complexity/bandwidth tradeoff.
A weak denoise or NLMeans filter in. Handbrake can help, but not enough for YT to handle the motion acceptably.
Captain August wrote on 12/29/2015, 9:39 AM
Hmm, In the nicest way possible, and I thank you for trying to help me, I have proof that higher bitrate renders look better on youtube. Particularly in low light or fast movement scenes. So I guess Sony Vegas just doesnt have what I need. All my gameplay is captured by Shadowplay or Elgato HD60 Pro at 60Mbps bitrate, and when I render MP4 in Premiere Pro with VBR set to average at 80Mbps and max at 100Mbps, it looks SIGNIFICANTLY better on YouTube than when i render MP4 in Vegas (highest bitrate I can find for 1080p/60fps is Sony/AVC at 24Mbps) Before you say just use Premiere Pro than, I cant use it because it doesnt support/has audio sync issues with variable frame rate video (most game capture) without an extra step of conversion to constant frame rate from a program like handbreak, which I dont have time for in my work flow. I have also asked youtubers whos video quality looks very good comparatively and they say they render at an obscenely high bitrate. So it may not be worth it to some, but to me it is, and it just gets my goat when people say high video render bitrate doesnt matter on youtube. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PROOF, look at my channel. just Search for CaptainAugust on youtube. The video called "Elgato Test" was rendered with a very high bitrate in Premiere. notice how smooth the motion is and how there is no blocky pixelation in dark areas or fast movement. Now watch either of the videos called "chalice dungeon" rendered in Vegas with the 25Mbps bitrate. notice the blockyness in dark areas, and the movement isnt as crisp. both were captured with the same card with the same settings. RANT OVER