Editing with Sony Vegas on a 4K Monitor

megabit wrote on 4/11/2015, 8:38 AM

If I were in your shoes I wouldn't waste precious time to fight that - just buy yourself another, smaller monitor (1920 × 1200 native resolution would be perfect), and only use your 4k one for full-screen preview in Vegas. When you don't use Vegas, you would probably open several most commonly used program windows tiled, anyway - would you open your email client full screen on 4k? Or even a word processor?

Piotr

PS. OK, a 2560 × 1600 one would be nice for a single, feature-rich interface like Vegas Pro's one, too. But for me, that's the maximum practical real estate for a single window!

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 4/11/2015, 9:00 AM

Hi,

I'm suffering from the same problem. The first windows version that offers monitor DPI independence is 8.1. MACs have handled this correctly for decades....

Moving to W8.1 does not help with Vegas since almost all of the GUI is rendered by Vegas itself. We just have to push SCS on this. However, many other software providers are taken by surprise, these new and already reasonably priced 4k monitors have gained lots of popularity among graphic and video editors. The program vendors MUST follow. The agile ones will do it soon.

Till then, just move your nose closer or bring the monitor closer to your face ;)

I'm running on three monitors (3840x2160 - 2560x1440 - 1920x1200). Even if I have the choice to use any of these as the main display, I'll stick with the 4K. The real estate you get makes any smaller monitor look like a pinhole ;)

Cheers,

Christian

videoconversions1000 wrote on 12/7/2015, 7:33 PM

DVD Architect 6.0 is unaffected by the 4K monitor unlike Pro 13. Architect looks the same as on my HD monitor. I wonder if there is an adjustment in the preferences internal? I'm having the same problem with Photoshop and Arcsoft.

wwjd wrote on 12/7/2015, 9:15 PM

I use and love Vegas on a 4k monitor. $6 "Readers" glasses made it awesome! I need them anyway.

you can also try changing windows resolution to 1920x1080 when using vegas, but I prefer all the extra screen space. It is literally FOUR 1920x1080 screens in one. What's not to love? :)

ritsmer wrote on 12/8/2015, 1:15 AM

Got the Philips BDM065 40" 60Hz UHD monitor some months ago.
Using it with a HP 30" 30" 2560x1600 to the right for Directory Opus showing large thumbnails for media.
Btw. the Philips monitor is surprisingly affordable - has got a very small viewing angle (not in the specs - but in real life :- ) however.

That 40" real estate gives small but readable icons - and even with my nose some 40-50 cm from the screen I still do not notice the pixels at all.

I actually think that UHD could be used up to about 46"- before you will notice the single pixels - and as soon as such a device (curved, of course) becomes available it will find its way to my desk. Then with the 40" in portrait orientation to the right for the media.

And yes: 6$ glasses do help a lot - but it is recommendable to have the eye astigmatism checked - even glasses with a slight an astigmatism correction will make one see as one did 50 years ago.

riredale wrote on 12/8/2015, 9:58 AM

Over the past 15 years my editing desktop has evolved through the monitors. I think the first "serious" monitor I used was a 17" CRT. Man, all the real estate when compared to the typical display!

Then on to a glorious 21" Trinitron CRT. Even bigger! Thing weighed a ton but just perfect!

So that lasted for a couple of years, then got a great deal on a Soyo 24" 1920x1200 (florescent backlit) display. Gorgeous image but lousy power supply. After several years of tinkering, out it went and in came my current Dell 24" 1920x1200 led display. Works great, doesn't get hot, should run almost forever, right?

I've often wondered what a double or triple setup would be like to edit on, but for now I'm happy with 24".

Maybe it's a bad thing to be so much into technology that one can rattle off past CPUs and monitors like they were good friends. Gotta get outside more.

Chienworks wrote on 12/8/2015, 10:49 AM

Back in the ol' days i had a couple 14" monitors on my desk at work set to 1280x1024 and i usually had my fonts set to 8 point. People would walk by and ask incredulously "how can you see that?" I'd just smile and say "i'm glad my eyes aren't as bad as yours."

A 42" 4K monitor would have the same dot pitch, so i guess that would be fine. Anything less than 32" would probably require some strong adjustment.

Jamon wrote on 12/8/2015, 4:33 PM

In Windows 10, when I have the display settings set to 200%, Vegas 12 has tiny text and icons, but some text is large so it's messed up.

If I right-click the shortcut, and enable the compatibility setting, "Disable display scaling on high DPI settings", then the interface looks more consistent, but the plugin interface is cut off so I can't access some of the buttons.

videoconversions1000 wrote on 12/8/2015, 6:54 PM

I received a reply from Sony Support:

Thank you for contacting Sony Creative Software.

This is a known issue for Vegas Pro 13, set to be resolved in a future application update. Thank you for reporting this issue.

Jamon wrote on 12/8/2015, 9:33 PM

I guess that won't help those of us with versions prior to 13.

VideoFreq wrote on 12/9/2015, 11:43 AM

aBadsamaritan: Your graphics card might have a setting that makes your programs and apps scale up to full 4K resolution, as does the Radeon R9 series. I tried this but there are sooooo many other issues with other programs that it isn't worth it. I went this route and now use 1080P settings on my two 4K monitors.
I agree with Megabit. Edit on 2K, view on 4K. Even if you have a lot of quality (>100mbps) 4K media, you will probably be editing with proxy files anyway. Then you can preview on the 4K monitor.

__init__.py wrote on 10/6/2018, 3:32 PM

For individual applications, there is a method called "DPI override".

Besides that, there is also a way to fix that globally for all the applications that have the same issue:

However, I personally prefer the first way.

supergafudo wrote on 10/6/2018, 10:17 PM

w10 october update have an option to make words bigger, is the first option under "accesibility" configuration.

ritsmer wrote on 10/7/2018, 8:37 AM

Just like three years ago I can still recommend to use the high resolution in a 4K picture for a larger monitor.

Using a 40" Philips monitor I get nearly the normal size icons - but an enormous workspace for having a huge stacked timeline, FX-window, Preview, Video Scopes etc etc all open in front of you and in a workable size.

Red Prince wrote on 10/7/2018, 10:15 AM

I agree with Ritsmer. I cannot even imagine going back to the lowly 1920x1080 monitor anymore. What I can imagine is going to 8k once it becomes affordable. But for now I view 4k as the baseline.

Kinvermark wrote on 10/7/2018, 10:26 AM

+2. I recently ended up with side-by-side 32" and 40" UHD monitors, and the funny thing is that they now look "normal." Vegas 14-16 scale beautifully. (I use the windows 10 High DPI application override settings.)

FYI, for those on a budget, there are 40" UHD TV's that work great as monitors (crisp text, etc.) and are a lot cheaper than the PC "monitor" equivalent.

Peter_P wrote on 10/7/2018, 11:42 AM

(I use the windows 10 High DPI application override settings.)

@Kinvermark

When I use this override setting in Win10, I no longer can use the FX-interfaces:

There is one slider that only controls the first item. Is that different on you system? What WIn10 scaling are you using?

I'm using 200% to get larger text.

Red Prince wrote on 10/7/2018, 2:30 PM

When I use this override setting in Win10, I no longer can use the FX-interfaces:

There is one slider that only controls the first item.

Try double-clicking on the top bar of the FX-interfaces.

AVsupport wrote on 10/7/2018, 3:40 PM

Love my 4K 1ms Asus as main screen. Allows me to have a 'fixed' 100% 1080 FHD preview window whilst I could check 4K in real output also. Secondary 'program' is my old 1080 1ms Samsung (these guys make great screens).

Sure, screen rendition had been a little of an issue, but with the latest editions of VP and Win10 the pain gap has reduced to a workable level (with improvements yet to come..).

Would have loved HDR but with $$ that will have to wait for the next update cycle (and once this is a little more painless in VP). 2c over.

Kinvermark wrote on 10/7/2018, 7:45 PM

The 40" Samsung TV I use as a monitor has HDR, although I have not tested it and I doubt it has the full brightness suggested.

@Peter_P

Both monitors set to 125%. Don't remember seeing any problems, but I will double check.

NickHope wrote on 10/7/2018, 11:05 PM

Love my 4K 1ms Asus as main screen. Allows me to have a 'fixed' 100% 1080 FHD preview window whilst I could check 4K in real output also. Secondary 'program' is my old 1080 1ms Samsung (these guys make great screens)...

@AVsupport Trying to understand your setup. Where how do you "check 4K in real output"? Also not sure what you mean by 'program'.

Peter_P wrote on 10/8/2018, 12:51 AM

When I use this override setting in Win10, I no longer can use the FX-interfaces:

There is one slider that only controls the first item.

Try double-clicking on the top bar of the FX-interfaces.

This only reduces the size of the window to the minimum required for the FX controls.

AVsupport wrote on 10/8/2018, 12:55 AM

Sorry @NickHopeTestAccount (ps why doesn't your name come up bro when I type @.. ?) I meant

a) I am able to see 4K if I select my main 4K screen as the 'preview adapter' for 'preview on external monitor', in 100% scaling and resolution;

b) 'program' is for me the lingo for main master output..here: 'preview', when monitoring 100% on an external / secondary screen

NickHope wrote on 10/8/2018, 1:37 AM

Thanks @AVsupport. You can tag me if you start with @Hope.