I totally agree. Nothing beats the zooming in Vegas. And Acid too for that matter.

and on acid too ;-)

... and with Sound Forge too. But disappointingly, not with SpectraLayers.

Great point. Could never understand why no once ever copied Vegas/Sound Forge zooming abilities.

I downloaded the Premiere CC trial again and it's still way off from what Vegas can do in a blink of an eye. I must admit, I am not good with it but that's exactly the point, it isn't intuitive at all. So a few questions here:

How do you make a multicam timeline from clips that cant be lined up by time code, where the only reference would be in the audio or just simply video; if you use cameras that don't have gen lock or even free run timecode?

How do you apply FX on the track or media level?

>>>If only CC, FCP, Pro Tools, Logic, Ableton

Totally agree. Reaper, the Audio DAW uses the zoom wheel feature ala Vegas, what a difference that makes. It amazes me that so few programs have adopted this. Kind of a dealbreaker for me.

@OldSmoke - you can't plain and simple with regards to apply FX to a track. Given the resources Adobe has, you'd think they would have done that - apparently not.

With regards to Multi-cam, it's a PITA to do but there are tutorials on how to do a multi-cam project. I've done a grand total of one.

I'm still debating on the Vegas Pro route and possibly Catalyst Edit as I'm in between projects so I have some free time but PPro is looking less appealing all the time now.

I know I know... I've been told that I'm looking for a magic bullet - at one time it was Vegas Pro, now I struggle with committing to it after having been burned so many times in the middle of paying projects.

@Cliff

For my projects multicam is important and I don't always have access to cameras with gen lock, doesn't exist on a GoPro for example.

I know Vegas isn't perfect but it still remains the fastest NLE in terms of getting things done; IMO.

@OldSmoke - I agree on how efficient Vegas Pro is for editing - that has been my assessment - it's the overall stability I've had issues with (bitten several times - very shy about committing to the software). For some of the work I shoot, I have had a need to use LUT's and Vegas didn't provide that option, but now that Vision Color has created the LUT plugin for Vegas Pro 13, I find myself delving more into Vegas again. I use Magic Bullet alot in Premiere Pro in addition to their Denoise plugin - Tough pill to swallow having to purchase new plugins for Vegas Pro - especially Denoise (I deal with DSLR sensor noise quite a bit when shooting at higher ISO's). And I do find the ability to open multiple timelines withing PPro an asset since I make variations of edits for projects depending on clients needs.

I think one of the biggest hurdles is my unlearning alot of PPro habits as I delve back into Vegas Pro - in addition to trying to wrap my head around Catalyst Edit (if I choose to go that route). I still haven't decided yet on which way to go, but I do find myself wanting to avoid Adobe more and more.

Cliff, don't think it will take you too long to "wrap my head around Catalyst Edit " not much there to wrap around...it a baby....

I just installed the new Catalyst Edit demo, NO scroll wheel zoom. What? Are the same guys who wrote Vegas writing Catalyst? The Madison guys?

Ok, so how you do the zoom in and out in Catalyst Edit?

It looks to be the up and down arrow keys.

-- tom

I just edited my first full project in PP and have to say it was a pretty simple transition from Vegas. I'm a LONG time Vegas user - like 10+ years... Many things that PP does better & Many things Vegas does better.

The response time on PP is top notch. Extremely quick to launch. The Bins are lovely. Nested Timeline sequences save a ton of time. Ease of simple color correction is much simpler / quicker. After Effects integration huge plus.

The Vegas pros: Center zoom with mouse, Click anywhere on timeline to move playhead, Non-split timeline (very fluid), ability to loop a clip simply by dragging it out. Instant crossfades.


As for Catalyst, it looks like it will ultimately become a Vegas replacement as the new Catalyst feature set is targeted directly at Vegas.

A long long way to go. Unless I've missed something, you can't even record audio in Catalyst - a pretty fundamental difference !

geoff

it's because Vegas was originally an audio tool... not a video editor.
Wonder if they make Catalyst 'Audio' for that purpose? :)

Hodges,

I've had the same experience. Premiere is actually a really nice editor these days and my system runs it much better than Vegas. I'm still on CS6 due to my aversion to the "slave cloud". Still love some of the Vegas features but since Vegas appears to be dead in the water well...

For now, I'll stick to Vegas. Too stubborn to give up the lightning fast workflow. On our fourth season of a TV show we produce, shoot, and edit. We shoot on a Tuesday and the show airs on Fridays. I handle every aspect including mixing the live performances which I do on Vegas as well. Now way I'd get the show turned around that fast without the scroll to zoom and "S" to split ;)

Hold Alt Key and zoom where mouse cursor is placed using scroll wheel, Press "C" to activate razor tool, click at spot to split clip. Not that much different than using Vegas Pro.