Subject:Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Posted by: VMP

Date:10/7/2015 3:00:47 PM

Just a thought, I don't think this forum is monitored by the SCS as we might think.

How many of you (who want the 64 bit version of Acid Pro) actually ask SCS for a 64 bit version via the following official suggestion link? http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/support/suggestions

That form might be monitored much more by the SCS officials.
So all of you suggest, ask the AP 64 bit version via the suggestion form. Maybe it just might make the difference.

SCS team still points to that form when asking about new software..

After all these years I have only thought of doing that yesterday.

This is for those who still hope for an update or AP8.

VMP

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:10/8/2015 1:56:30 PM

Yes

geoff

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: VMP

Date:10/8/2015 2:27:37 PM

Good to know Geoff!

VMP

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/8/2015 4:12:18 PM

I have to ask - how is logging suggestions for a product that is clearly "done" going to matter?

Looks to me like SMS is about to pull the plug on Vegas now (if this thread has any truth to it) :

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/showmessage.asp?messageid=931815

And Acid was clearly sent to pasture 5 years ago. If anything - this company seems bent on moving away from big time media apps now.

VP

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: VMP

Date:10/8/2015 8:51:07 PM

Not sure Vocalpoint,

But I am still getting promotions about Acid Pro via email, and when asked about an update for AP SCS asked me to fill in that suggestion form.
They do the same via their Facebook page.

Btw "When does AP8 come out?" could become an internet meme right about now, fans seem to post that questions under most of the posts on SCS Facebook post.

Their anwser...fill in the suggestions form.

VMP

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/9/2015 2:10:56 PM

But I am still getting promotions about Acid Pro via email, and when asked about an update for AP SCS asked me to fill in that suggestion form.

You will get promos for AP7 - until the end of time. SMS will keep trying to sell that old dog as long as they can. What else can they do? That does not imply that anything will ever change.

And as far as the using the "suggestion form" - what else are they going to tell you - that AP is dead? They will tell you anything to get you off their back (or from telling you the real truth).

Realistically - after 5 years - there is simply no point to AP8 now. While I was one of those that was ticked off back in say 2012 - but as we head to 2016 - I have to ask - who cares about ACID anymore anyway?

And without a guaranteed several hundred thousand potential buyers - there is no financial grounds to justify time, talent and capital on a new version after all this time.

Sony is heading in a different direction now as they flounder in their many market segments. Can't see a giant company like that worrying about a tiny outdated app like Acid now....

But hey - if you want to keep the dream alive - keep sending those suggestion in :)

VP

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: VMP

Date:10/9/2015 3:06:11 PM

Vocalpoint,

I am not too familiar with software coding.
Could there be some way to 'convert' AP to 64 bit so that it accepts new plugins and can handle the current memory standards? Or does it require total overwriting of the original code?

Simply put, could some code writing genius convert it?

VMP

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/9/2015 3:18:39 PM

Could there be some way to 'convert' AP to 64 bit so that it accepts new plugins and can handle the current memory standards? Or does it require total overwriting of the original code?

AP7 is 32bit written in C++ so there would need to be a 64bit "port" to allow it to be true 64 bit.

This would most likely involve a lot of work since I would guess - a lot of the code in AP is not exactly new and would probably have to refurbished.

That said - who NEEDS a 64 bit version of ACID anyway? Running the current 32bit version on Windows 7 64bit - still gives the app 4GB of usable memory. What exactly are people doing that requires a 64bit version of ACID?

I routinely do big 24-32 track sessions in Presonus Studio One and have never used even 4GB of memory on any project.

And to your question - of course Sony has the talent to do that. What they do not have is a reason (or possibly even the permission) to do it.

Reason - probably not financially worth the time or effort for the tiny sales it would generate. Sales - from the 18-25 people in here that would buy it - would most likely would not cover the costs to redo the code.

Permission: Remember that SMS is a branch of Sony Corp. If the bigwigs in Japan or wherever head office is - said to ice Acid in 2010 (after the last update) then that is it. No amount of "suggestion" boxes or complaining will change a long term business decision.

You also need to understand that Sony - as a company - is hurting is all sorts of ways these days. When you are not doing well - you cut things off that do not make a difference to the bottom line - and unfortunately SMS is not exactly a marquee part of the overall business.

I do not see an AP8, a 64 bit port or anything else coming anytime soon...

VP

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: VMP

Date:10/9/2015 7:07:38 PM

Thanks for the Feedback Vocalpoint.

I have switched over to Sonar X3, it works great with all the current VST plugins.
I do much MIDI orchestration and use VST instruments. Even opening recent VST instruments crashes AP.

I still tend to use Acid, it's much easier to use for quick sketches. Also have many projects written with AP which I would like to build further upon using newer VST instruments.
But there is no way to open those AP projects with Sonar which is a pity.


VMP

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: AudioVizionz

Date:10/9/2015 10:17:39 PM

I dig you guys thoughts on this...

For me AP7e has been an incredible tool. I've written hundreds of songs and with every new plugin came new inspiration. But a series of events brought it all to the next level. Last year I bought a Steinberg ur22 and even though a code for cubase was included I disregarded it and kept working in my favorite daw. Then, a new system, os and deals I didn't anticipate finally compelled me into full 64 bit mode. But I needed/wanted a 64 bit daw. The code! Yes, that was it - cubase was the answer. It was a free download and almost a year later the version had advanced two numbers. With my advanced knowledge of Acid it took little time to get full speed into cubase and, bittersweetly, I don't anticipate much more being done in Acid. I dislike AP7e's weak midi export capability but it's worth a bit of editing to get old projects on the road to a new life, with many new ones on the horizon. Cubase is what Acid could've been, everything about it is developed for the professional, every function, elegant. i highly recommend it for any Acid user wanting to proceed to the next level...and if you do, I'll try to answer any questions, just ask.

So, SCS, stick with Vegas, Catalyst and such and thanks for the memories.

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:10/9/2015 10:26:41 PM

"That said - who NEEDS a 64 bit version of ACID anyway? Running the current 32bit version on Windows 7 64bit - still gives the app 4GB of usable memory. What exactly are people doing that requires a 64bit version of ACID?"

Well, one big issue reported repeatedly in this forum is those who have a lot of 64 bit plugins and synths. These do not integrate with a 32 bit host.

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: VMP

Date:10/11/2015 4:17:09 PM

Indeed Chienworks, I did try using 'Jbridge' to convert the 64 bit plugins to 32 bit, AP loads them but crashes due to its memory limit.

VMP

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:10/11/2015 5:53:48 PM

That people have moved to these newer current applications shows that there remains a market for these type of applications.

It's just that SCS have, for whatever reason, chosen to let their 'participation' in that market lapse....

geoff

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/12/2015 12:24:08 AM

I think the real reason is that the math does not work from Sony's business prospective.

The market IS healthy for those apps that keep moving forward. However - for those that do not (sorry SMS).... - there are simply not enough people needing SMS anymore - so weak sales potential cannot justify throwing time, talent and money at a project.

The world moved on and SMS did not. Something has to give.

VP

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:10/12/2015 7:21:13 PM

The world didn't "move on' as in abandoned the field and did something else, but "moved forward" as in maintained, further developed, evolved, or replaced their products.

Yes, sad - an opportunity thrown away.

geoff

Subject:RE: Did you ACTUALLY ASK for a 64 bit version?

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/12/2015 8:43:29 PM

The world didn't "move on' as in abandoned the field and did something else, but "moved forward" as in maintained, further developed, evolved, or replaced their products.

Well - the world did "move" way on when it comes to loop tech. Nobody cares about ACID files today when most of the biggest tools now do everything via MIDI, rmx or other more flexible forms. Can't remember when I last reached for an "ACIDized" loop for anything.

ACID the "app" and ACID "the format" are way too far back in the rear view mirror in to really matter any more in 2015 (soon to be 2016)

That's why I do not see the point of a new version. And neither can Sony - it seems.

VP