SOT: Noisy video card fan

Tom Pauncz wrote on 7/13/2015, 10:17 AM
Seems like my GeForce 9800GT card is on the way out. Would appreciate some advice.

1. From the current crop of cards that work well with Vegas Pro - either nVidia or AMD - any recommendation to match with the i7-860 processor based system?

2. If I were to replace the card with another nVidia one, can I just plug it in or should I remove and re-install the driver?

TIA,
Tom

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OldSmoke wrote on 7/13/2015, 11:05 AM
If you go for another Nvidia card then there is no need to uninstall the driver. As you know, the issue with newer Nvidia cards is that they don't perform as well as older ones and not as well as AMD cards. GTX570/580 are really cheap now on eBay and work great up to AVCHD 1080 60p. If you have more demanding projects, you may want to go for a 280X, 290, 290X or the latest 380X. IN any case, better cards are usually much larger and require a bigger case and bigger power supply, 850-1000W.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Tom Pauncz wrote on 7/13/2015, 11:11 AM
@OldSmoke

Thanks.. projects are not demanding, either HDV or Canon DSLR 70D. With current GeForce 9800GTX, problem with Best Full preview at full frame-rate.

I'll check those out.

Tom

edit: Forgot that card needs to be PCIe 2.0
edit: Research shows that PCIe 3.0 card can go into a PCIe 2.0 slot.
OldSmoke wrote on 7/13/2015, 11:31 AM
A GTX570 should be sufficient.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Tom Pauncz wrote on 7/13/2015, 11:45 AM
Thanks again...
I am able to source, in Toronto, an ASUS GeForce GTX 750Ti for a good price. Overkill maybe?
Tom
OldSmoke wrote on 7/13/2015, 11:58 AM
The GTX750Ti will not work as well as a 570/580.

Edit: You will be happier with R9 280X even if it means changing brand and driver.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Tom Pauncz wrote on 7/13/2015, 12:48 PM
Hmmm...

I found this one: Sapphire Radeon R9 285 ITX Compact OC Edition 2GB GDDR5.
The R9 280X is a lot more than I want to spend, sadly.

Tom

edit: and this one: Sapphire Radeon R9 280 DUAL-X OC With BOOST 3GB GDDR5
astar wrote on 7/13/2015, 1:03 PM
I would not buy gpus based on price. With and 860 cpu, an AMD 5770, 7970, r9 270x, or 290x would be my choices for upgrades. You want to look at the compute units, because some of the non X cards will actually be worse than the older good cards.

If you look at how nvidia performs with vegas and render engines like Luxmark, you quickly see that AMD has the advantage. But you do need to select the right X card. There are so many nvidia models out there that do not even surpass the old 5770 in opencl.
Tom Pauncz wrote on 7/13/2015, 1:09 PM
My problem is I have no understanding of some of the descriptions and their meaning. Makes it tough to select...
OldSmoke wrote on 7/13/2015, 1:17 PM
@astar

I don't quite agree with "x" statement. The R9 290X isn't much better then the 290 but by far more expensive. I have my two 290 cards water cooled and overclocked and they work great. I can run 1080 30p in a 32bit float project at Best/Full with as many FX as I like without dropping preview fps.

The lower range 270X, 280X have a smaller memory bandwidth.

@Tom.
Look at eBay! You will be surprised what you can find there. I bought 2x R9 290 off eBay and they have been running now for year. Video editing isn't gaming and the card will last a long time.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Tom Pauncz wrote on 7/13/2015, 1:24 PM
Thanks OldSmoke. I get your point. And thanks astar...

Could you please comment on the two cards I listed above? Thx,
Tom
OldSmoke wrote on 7/13/2015, 1:30 PM
@Tom

The 280X has a smaller memory bandwidth and the stream processors are also not as many as I would like. It looks like a rebranded HD7950.

I would rather go for something like this .

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Tom Pauncz wrote on 7/13/2015, 5:22 PM
@OldSmoke

Thanks - will check it out.
dxdy wrote on 7/15/2015, 8:12 AM
Whenever you prepare to swap out cards, FIRST startup Vegas and turn off GPU support in preferences. Then do the swap.

It seems that Vegas will be looking for the old card if GPU was enabled.
Tom Pauncz wrote on 7/15/2015, 8:20 AM
@dxdy

Thanks so much for the tip.. Makes sense.
Tom
riredale wrote on 7/15/2015, 9:49 AM
Or, you could just replace the fan.
Tom Pauncz wrote on 7/15/2015, 4:04 PM
Actually, that's the first step I'm taking. Just received notification that fan has shipped. Cost all of $US9 with free shipping to Canada.
:-)

Tom
astar wrote on 7/15/2015, 4:42 PM
Make sure to uninstall your previous display drivers back to the default windows driver. Run something like CCleaner and reboot after each uninstallation, and CCleaning. This process moves your registry version such that your last know good config is the window driver, and removes driver competition of Nvidia vs AMD.


The 280 will work under Vegas just fine, maybe not just optimal.


I believe in recommending XT chips based on the following:

Apple selects XT chips to put in their desktops

The flagship Firepro Cards and the Firepro S series all use XT chips

Vegas actually recommended a GPU back when GPU was added, and it was an XT chip.

XT chips normally score the highest compute numbers, which is what you are looking for your GPU to do for you. This is not due to overclocking, but that XT chips have more compute resources over Pro or other designations.

XT more than likely meet manufacturing standards that the Pro or other chips got binned for.

Here is a good write up on Binning.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=961459

Tom Pauncz wrote on 8/18/2015, 5:46 PM
Quick update...
Fan finally arrived and ..... IT WAS THE WRONG SIZE!!!
Grrr..

Back to square one, looking at replacement cards...

Tom
Grazie wrote on 8/18/2015, 10:19 PM
Yeah, a real pi**er!

I've got a top Case fan that has been noisy on startup for maybe 18 months. It's there for 4 minutes during start-up, but then it goes away. Yours is continual - yes? I investigated and saw the many different sizes I could get. Any mileage in you re-running your investigations with manf plans and so on, prior to yanking the board? Seems a pity.

Grazie

Tom Pauncz wrote on 8/19/2015, 11:00 AM
Yes, the noise is continual.

The fan seems to be scraping on the case. I have also seen many different sizes, though most, if not all, seem to originate in China. Don't know how to identify the size.

As luck would have it, manufacturer of the card, BFG, are no longer in business. When I saw somewhere that PNY were honouring BFG card RMAs, I reached out and were politely told to "Foxtrot Oscar" as the card was not manufactured by them. Not even a hint of advice how to source a fan of the right size or whether one of theirs might fit.

Had live chat with nVidia and pretty much the same response - try shops that repair computers who may have a spare fan lying around.

riredale wrote on 8/19/2015, 11:14 AM
When my video card fried some months ago I bought an identical one on eBay for next to nothing. Discovered that both fans were not free-turning. I saturated both with a lightweight oil (after removing them from the cards) and now the fans appear to spin up fine. Had not realized that video card fans were a weak link. Now I check for the fan magnetic "bounce back" every time the case is opened for some other reason.
Tom Pauncz wrote on 8/19/2015, 11:32 AM
Been trolling eBay without much luck so far.
Tom
Stringer wrote on 8/19/2015, 4:08 PM
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