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Subject:Total Spanish Guitar
Posted by: KaiWen
Date:2/1/2002 10:50:26 AM
Hi is anyone creating music with the "Total Spanish Guitar" loop samples? I really like this CD. Can't wait to get my hands on this disk. I'm really into Salsa and would like to create some songs with a Salsa feel. I'm listening to lots of Salsa now a days to get a feel for the music. Is any one using this CD to create a basis for some Salsa like tracks? |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: jsawruk
Date:2/1/2002 9:33:47 PM
I am using the TSG library to make music, but not of the Salsa kind. I have written some more subdued classical stuff, which you might want to check out anyway if you're looking for music made with this library. People have often questioned me who played guitar on my music, totally shocked to find out it was looped! http://artist.amazon.com/jeremysawruk J. Sawruk |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: nlamartina
Date:2/2/2002 12:25:09 AM
KaiWen, I've used some of the TSG samples in one of my songs. It's not really salsa, but more of a cross-cross-cross platform mix that combines several different elements from specific genres. I ended up using them quite on accident, actually. I never would have thought that those incredibly clean guitar samples would have ever fit beneath synths and rubberduck bass lines, but due to their rock solid timing, they're incredibly versatile. They also work wonderfully in the Chopper. With a little reverb, you can hack away at them like you wouldn't believe. Solid stuff. I definitely wouldn't want to be without them. Regards, Nick |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: KaiWen
Date:2/4/2002 7:54:25 AM
Hi Jeremy, I'm checking out your music on Amazon.com now. Sounds really good. Are you selling you music over at the Amazon site? Regards, Kai |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: KaiWen
Date:2/4/2002 7:57:33 AM
Hi Nick, Yeah, I have to tell agree with you. The sounds are incredible. I'm writing new tracks now using lots of the TSG loops. Take Care, Kai |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: jsawruk
Date:2/6/2002 8:28:45 PM
Actually, I'm not selling it at the moment. I don't know how to sell my music (as odd as that sounds!). I need like a producer or an agent or something! Jeremy |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: BlueRajah
Date:2/13/2002 1:23:57 AM
I used a few licks from this library in my Madonna remix, if you'd like to get an idea of how versatile it is: http://madonna.acidplanet.com/Lounge/Detail.asp?PID=1361 Having auditioned the entire set, I think it's gorgeous and well worth the investment. |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:2/13/2002 2:33:05 AM
Bitterly disappointed. This is nothing but a bunch of Flamenco and corny Latin riffs on nylon-string guitar. From all these rave reviews, I was assuming it was a tour-de-force of acoustic guitar loops in a wide variety of styles. Spanish guitar technically means the "modern" guitar, or just any acoustic guitar including steel-string. But these guys mean Spanish-STYLE guitar music. Word to the wise, unless you're looking for specifically spanish-style riffs, skip it. Anybody know where's there's good steel-string loops available? |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: KaiWen
Date:2/13/2002 10:50:40 AM
Well, I really dig the CD. I've created a few songs using the samples. They should be on mp3.com sometime soon. I'll let you all know when they appear. Regards, Kai Wen |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: BlueRajah
Date:2/13/2002 4:00:48 PM
Agreed. The sample loops posted on this web site gave a fair representation of the disc. And the rare "bonus disc," IMO, gave added value. |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:2/13/2002 7:28:45 PM
It's great you guys are getting use out of this product. Just a word to the wise for folks who read these gushing reviews which all have omitted the key fact: It's ONLY nylon-string guitar, and it's ONLY Spanish-oriented loops. Flamenco and traditional Spanish riffs, with just a smattering of Spanish classical loops. They're fine for that, be forewarned if you want to get any utility out of them beyond that. BTW, the bonus disc has an old giveaway loops folder in it that came free with Acid, and some more semi-redundant Spanish riffs. Ay carumba! |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: BlueRajah
Date:2/14/2002 7:38:17 PM
Y'know, some of these detracting comments read like there ought to be warning labels on some of these disks, just like packs of cigarettes: "CAUTION!! This disk contains the sounds of melodic instruments, and may even be unamplified." True, this is classical guitar stuff, and maybe the title should have been "Total Classical Guitar" to avoid any confusion between "Spanish" and "Acoustic", terms which are sometimes used interchangeably. In fact, however, the loops are well-organized into different beat categories and, as I've mentioned earlier in this thread, some of them can be adapted to different musical styles. Techno? Probably not. But Latin, jazz, pop, folk, etc.? Definitely. |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: KaiWen
Date:2/15/2002 8:16:48 AM
When i get my Grammy Award I'll be sure to thank the folk at Sonic Foundry. :) Regards, Kai |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:2/15/2002 3:29:30 PM
Jazz? Folk? No way. Pop? Maybe on "La Isla Bonita" but that's about it. These tracks are very narrowly Spanish/Latin nylon-string guitar, even the classical sticks to pro-forma old Flamenco and Iberian riffs you've all heard a thousand times before. Again, it is what it is, and it's ok for Spanish/Latin stuff. It's just that neither the on-site sales pitch nor the many rave posts make any mention of these critical distinctions, which will lead many to purchase the discs for new age, film scoring or other purposes they are totally useless for. I swear, if somebody actually put out what this was purportedly to be: broad-based super useful acoustic guitar structures including and emphasizing steel-string guitar. Modal loops, drone riffs, a whole toolkit of rich and flexible simple chords and riffs from complex, dark and moody to bright and up. They would absolutely clean up. Every film composer in the world would have to have it. There's NOTHING like that on the market today--huge need. Q-up Arts--think steel, emphasize mood and new age/modal, and clean up! |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: David_Kuznicki
Date:2/16/2002 8:41:45 AM
I'm quite surprised by the negative reaction to this library, I must admit. I, for one, got exactly what I was expecting; I think that the sample loops were a very good indicator of what the discs were like. Sure, they aren't for everyone (I, too, have trouble seeing how they could be incorporated into jazz), but I've found them to be very, very versitile... but above all, I've found them to be very quality loops. And, oddly enough, I bought them primarily for film scoring, and haven't found them to be 'useless.' |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:2/16/2002 3:28:47 PM
I hope the film has English subtitles. The first thing out of the mouth of any American filmmaker I would try to foist these loops off on as score would be, "What's with the corny Mexican restaurant music???" |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: Erik_Nygaard
Date:2/19/2002 6:40:09 AM
Very lively discussion here :-) This is slightly OT, but there are some suitable accoustic packages for Nemesys Gigastudio http://www.nemesysmusic.com/. Matt Ragan: Max Strength Acoustic Guitar Jim Corrigan: Nashville High-Strung Guitars Acoustic Essentials Standard CD Acoustic Essentials Premium Bundle CD |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: photon
Date:2/19/2002 11:42:05 AM
Do the Giga disks have .wav format as well? (and aren't they very pricey?) |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: KaiWen
Date:2/20/2002 8:07:25 AM
OK. Finally a few songs that I wrote are on the mp3.com site (www.mp3.com/kaiwen). Check out the tracks I wrote using the "Total Spanish Guitar" sounds. For me they work O.K., plus combined with a little talent and some time you can make music from anything. I'm going to remix these these tracks in Nuendo and add some other tid bits over them with my K2500 starting this week. If any one want's to collaborate, get at me. I'm going to put the songs in a song structure for lyrics. The ladies love this stuff. See ya at the Grammys :) Regards 2 All, Kai Wen PS: I'm going to upload them to the ACID site soon. |
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Subject:Acidized guitar loops
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:2/20/2002 3:19:46 PM
Anybody know of any Acidized steel-string guitar loop compilations? |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: Erik_Nygaard
Date:2/21/2002 4:03:00 AM
"Do the Giga disks have .wav format as well? (and aren't they very pricey?)" You can extract the original waves from the gigs very easily in the editor. These packages vary in price between 75-150 USD, but other bundles especially regarding orchestra instruments, strings etc may be considerably higher. |
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Subject:RE: Acidized guitar loops
Reply by: KaiWen
Date:2/21/2002 9:31:17 AM
I think I might have to just break down and learn how to play guitar. I love the guitar Spanish loops. Check out what I did with them @ www.mp3.com/kaiwen |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: photon
Date:2/22/2002 2:25:54 AM
"You can extract the original waves from the gigs very easily in the editor." Erik, Can I assume that you mean within the Giga editor? I don't have any of their software. Could it be done within any SF apps? Thanks. |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: Erik_Nygaard
Date:2/22/2002 5:13:51 AM
"You can extract the original waves from the gigs very easily in the editor." Erik, Can I assume that you mean within the Giga editor? I don't have any of their software. Could it be done within any SF apps? Thanks. You probably need the Gigastudio to do this, but there are converting software available wich may do the trick. I think there is something called Chickensys (?) wich is a general converter. |
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Subject:RE: Acidized guitar loops
Reply by: billybk
Date:2/23/2002 7:34:00 AM
KaiWen, I just got my double CD-ROM set of Total Spanish Guitar. Nearly 800MB of many compelling latin style loops that sound authentic yet contemporary. I especially like the Rhythms & Progressions I & II, Zamba ballad, Classical, and Am & Em Rumba. I find myself using a few loops in ACID 3.0f to create a certain feel and mood and get a good vibe going. I will then import the ACID project into SONAR as wave files to further expand and twist the original theme with softsynth/samplers, effects and additional instrumentation(my own guitar, bass & voice). The loops on the TSG have been very inspirational to my creativity and have taken me in directions I would not have gone in otherwise. I have bought many loop CD's, and unlike many others, this one will be getting a lot of use :) Billy Buck |
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Subject:RE: Acidized guitar loops
Reply by: KaiWen
Date:2/25/2002 8:15:16 AM
Hi Billy, What's up? I would love to hear to some of the music you are working on. Maybe we can work on a track together one day. Do you write lyrics for your tracks? I'm trying to learn Nuendo and Reason right now. I've heard some cool things about Sonar. Holler at me. Regards, Kai |
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Subject:RE: Acidized guitar loops
Reply by: ChrisOfArabia
Date:2/27/2002 5:13:28 AM
Is that the same Billy Buck who sometimes appears at SoS? If so how's it going over there? I was interested in your comment about importing ACID projects into SONAR as wave files - having both products in the house, I'm interested in achieving the same thing to make use of some of SONAR's automation features. How does it work exactly, as I've not seen the suggestion before that this can be achieved? >;o)) |
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Subject:RE: Acidized guitar loops
Reply by: Erik_Nygaard
Date:2/27/2002 8:01:08 AM
What I do is render tracks in Acid as wave files and import them as audio into Home Studio 2002 (Sonar-light). I guess you could also use the individual Acid loops in Sonar, but I think it is much easier to do the arrangements in Acid. Also you can then render them with FX-plugins. |
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Subject:RE: Acidized guitar loops
Reply by: billybk
Date:2/27/2002 8:52:59 AM
Hi Chris, Yeah this is the same me that stops by the SOS forums from time to time :) To answer your question, you can not import an ACID project per se, straight into SONAR. But I do as Erik suggests and save my ACID project as .wav files and import these into SONAR as needed, once I get an arrangement/groove that I like. Billy Buck |
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Subject:RE: Hey KaiWen
Reply by: billybk
Date:2/27/2002 9:04:28 AM
I've been working on some interesting stuff with the TSG loops juxtaposed with some Hip Hop beats. Shoot me your e-mail address @ www.billybk1@bellsouth.net Billy Buck |
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Subject:RE: Acidized guitar loops
Reply by: ChrisOfArabia
Date:2/27/2002 9:42:23 AM
Hi Billy, Nice to see a familiar face (so to speak). I had a feeling that you wouldn't be able to things in the obvious way, shame really as both products are perfectly capable of using ACIDised loops - would have been nice to just pull a basic arrangement into SONAR from an .acd file. Oh well, one for the request list across at Cakewalk... >;o)) |
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Subject:RE: Acidized guitar loops
Reply by: KaiWen
Date:2/27/2002 10:13:11 AM
Hi Billy, How's it going this morning? I will shot you an e-mail today. Are you going to watch the Grammys tonight? We should hook up and work on a few tracks together. Kai |
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Subject:RE: Acidized guitar loops
Reply by: billybk
Date:2/27/2002 10:29:15 AM
Yeah, I was just talking to my wife about watching the Grammy's tonight. We like to have a couple of cold ones, turn the up stereo and be entertained since we enjoy most types of music. Hopefully, there will be less talk and more music. Billy Buck |
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Subject:RE: Total Spanish Guitar
Reply by: Woodsposse
Date:3/14/2002 3:18:29 PM
Actually, you don't need a producer or an agent or anything that fancy (yet). Amazon has a program where you can sell your creation at their site. But if you really want a good place to start, check out DiscMakers. You can get a lot of good information there. My first CD will be coming out soon (a lot of music I created using Acid). I'll keep ya posted. (Hit me at: Woodsposse@hotmail.com if you want to know more about getting your stuff ready to go commercial). |