Subject:Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Posted by: Grazie

Date:6/3/2015 11:46:46 PM

OK, at present I go:-

LP capture >> SF 10, adding Markers On-The-Fly (easy!) >> ( Now, this is where I start to go down the Rabbit hole, with the need to Make Regions from Markers. . . ) Markers to Regions >> Extract Regions as Files (.PCA?!?) >> Open VP13 to convert .PCA to WAV (VASST Render assistant) >> Open iTunes and Add Files.

I can't get a simple middle section of workflow to go SF (named Regions) to WAV without all that wandering about bit. Sure, I can see that SF is tailored to allow people to make CDs - I get that. But I need to end up with an iTunes compatible "Add File" file. PCA ain't it!

Please advise,

Grazie

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:6/4/2015 6:50:39 PM

Two questions: Why aren't you converting the PCA into WAV in Sound Forge? Or ... much better yet, why aren't you extracting to WAV to begin with? What is happening that isn't letting you do that? I do the extraction to WAV all the time.

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: wwaag

Date:6/4/2015 9:52:42 PM

I'm not sure exactly what you want, but I use a script that will save regions as WAV files all the time for my Voiceovers. It's based on the internal SF script "Save Regions as Files", but has been changed to save the files as WAV's into a directory of my choosing if memory serves me well (usually doesn't). If interested, I can upload and send you a Dropbox link.

wwaag

Just looked at the scripts and this change is exactly (maybe?) what you want. The script in SF specifies the type as "PCA". I changed that to WAV , specified the preset I wanted (48Khz, 16 bit mono--you probably want stereo) and specified the directory where the files would be saved (you probably want something different). Again, I can upload the script to Dropbox and then give you some assistance in making changes.

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: wwaag

Date:6/4/2015 10:30:05 PM

Rather than uploading, here are the changes that you can easily make. First, the part of the original script that needs to be changed.

start MODIFY HERE-----------------------------------------------

   string szType  = GETARG("type", ".pca"); //choose any valid extension: .avi  .wav  .w64 .mpg .mp3 .wma .mov .rm .aif .ogg .raw .au .dig .ivc .vox .pca

   object vPreset = GETARG("preset", ""); //put the name of the template between the quotes, or leave blank to pop the Template chooser.

   string szDir   = GETARG("dir", ""); //hardcode a target path here

Here are the changes that I made so that it would render as a wav file with the preset of my choice, and the destination of my choice.

//start MODIFY HERE-----------------------------------------------

   string szType  = GETARG("type", ".wav"); //choose any valid extension: .avi  .wav  .w64 .mpg .mp3 .wma .mov .rm .aif .ogg .raw .au .dig .ivc .vox .pca

   object vPreset = GETARG("preset", "48,000 Hz, 16 Bit, Mono, PCM"); //put the name of the template between the quotes, or leave blank to pop the Template chooser.

   string szDir   = GETARG("dir", @"F:\1_Temp Sound Forge"); //hardcode a target path here

Just open the original script file in Notepad, and make changes. Then save, to a new name of your choice (unless you want to overwrite the original--NOT recommended), making sure it still has the .cs extension.

wwaag

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:6/4/2015 10:33:00 PM

LP to WAV.

De-noise/crackle/whatever (EQ maybe) the whole LP.

Then Copy each 'track', and 'Paste To New'. Normalise (and whatever else you fancy), then SaveAs.

geoff

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: wwaag

Date:6/4/2015 11:33:39 PM

@Grazie.
Since you're doing vinyl restorations, here's some software from a fellow countryman you might be interested in that I used some years ago. http://www.delback.co.uk/wavrep/
It's been a long time since I've used it, but one of its features as I recall was to automatically detect new tracks and the ability to render to separate files which worked rather well, saving time from manually "marking" the start of a new track.

wwaag

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: Grazie

Date:6/5/2015 3:40:46 AM

@ Chienworks: Why aren't you converting the PCA into WAV in Sound Forge?

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Where? I have Regions and want to extract WAVs from them, by using the SF Regions To Files Script.

@Chienworks:why aren't you extracting to WAV to begin with? What is happening that isn't letting you do that? I do the extraction to WAV all the time.

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I don't see a way when I use the Tools > Script > Extract Regions to Files . If I had seen an option I would've done so.


@wwaag: Just looked at the scripts and this change is exactly (maybe?) what you want. The script in SF specifies the type as "PCA".

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EXACTLY!

@waag: I changed that to WAV ,

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How? I don;t see THAT option and that's what I want! Are you saying that the option to CHOOSE WAV isn't within that SF Script - hence your "adaption"?

@Geoff: Yes, I do all my deeper Rx in iZo RX4 Advanced now. iZo has got this nifty "Connect" VST that pipes it back and forth between SF and iZoRX4 Adv.

Would you please confirm that I can't select that WAV option from within the Regions-To-Files Script? Oh yeah, I'm using JR's Render Assistant in VP13 to do that final leg.

What I want is:

Capture Vinyl to SF > CONNECT to iZoRX4Adn for Improve Audio - snaps-crackles and pops! - > Via CONNECT back to SF and Render Regions To WAV Files - DONE!

Grazie

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:6/5/2015 8:22:47 AM

@ Chienworks: Why aren't you converting the PCA into WAV in Sound Forge?Where? I have Regions and want to extract WAVs from them, by using the SF Regions To Files Script.

Well, what i mean is, why do the conversion in Vegas? Why not open the PCA files in Sound Forge while you're there anyway and save as WAV? Probably doesn't make any difference one way or the other, except that you're obviously already running Sound Forge at this point.

@Chienworks:why aren't you extracting to WAV to begin with? What is happening that isn't letting you do that? I do the extraction to WAV all the time.
I don't see a way when I use the Tools > Script > Extract Regions to Files . If I had seen an option I would've done so.

Very strange. When i do this exact same thing, the only choice i get is WAV. I've often wished i could pick some other file type.

However, Geoff pointed out what is probably more practical if you're going to be doing additional processing, and what i also often do. Double-click each region to select it, press Ctrl-C to copy, then Ctrl-E to paste to a new window. Then you can do whatever processing you wish and save to a new WAV file.

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: wwaag

Date:6/5/2015 10:09:03 AM

@Grazie,

Just confirmed that all you need to do is open the script in Notepad, change "pca" to "wav" and save. Make sure you rescan the script menu. Then run the script. You first get the option of "where" to save. The render template selection box will appear next. Do not select default (that is the PCA option). From the dropdown menu you would probably choose "44,100 Hz, 16 Bit Stereo, PCM". Hit OK and you're done.

wwaag

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: wwaag

Date:6/5/2015 10:23:42 AM

@grazie

Even easier. Here is the dropbox link to the changed file. Just copy and paste into the SF script folder, rescan the menu and you're ready to go.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nck3o2mvwz6z0r0/Save%20Regions%20as%20Files_grazie.cs?dl=0

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: Grazie

Date:6/5/2015 12:05:03 PM

wqaag, youse a proper Gent!

But I have to ask, why isn't there an SF option to select the Format that the Users wants?

Toodles,

Grazie

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: Grazie

Date:6/5/2015 1:40:40 PM

Stonkin' Script Wwaagsie!

Thank you,

Grazie

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:6/5/2015 3:48:11 PM

Grazie, were you not using SoundForge's built in 'extract regions' tool? That's the one that only offers WAV as the save type.

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: Grazie

Date:6/5/2015 4:18:21 PM

I was using the Regions To Files Script.

G

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:6/5/2015 5:00:07 PM

Ah, i guess i've never even noticed that existed. Try Tools / Extract Regions.

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: wwaag

Date:6/5/2015 7:08:11 PM

@Grazie. Glad it works.

@Chienworks. Never knew that the Tools,Extract Region existed.
Guess we both learned something today.

wwaag

Subject:RE: Easy way: Vinyl to iPhone?

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:6/7/2015 3:04:32 AM

For the type of music I tend to listen to, auto-detact tracks function usually ends up more trouble than it's worth, with false 'new tracks' and missing cross-faded tracks..

While we're here, Ifor those with SF, I can't recommend highly enough the included CD Architect. Apart from that it's DX plugins only, unless you use a wrapper. Just the best way ever to lay out a CD.

geoff