disappointing to get flamed like that; I put a lot of work into it

I've read flames. That wasn't one. You asked for feedback on your hard work. I tuned out after awhile, holding on only because I though the young ladies might do something different. Nope.

Perhaps the video could have been teed up more as a technical problem. Instead, it was sandwiched between the eye candy portions of your post. Seems like 6 Pip's shouldn't be that hard to pull off in Vegas...

@ken

What high end i7 PC do you have? Your system specs are empty.
From my own experience, I did a 4x4 PIP (picture in picture) and VP does choke after 6 PIP; I guess you need one core for each track? Anyways, it's all done in one single project, no nesting either.

Here is the final product.

thx Oldsmoke, yours is much more professional looking than mine (inspirational for a genuine pro edit clip, nice broadcast-quality work!)... thx too re 6pip limit note, good to know re cores... basically i had a bunch of moderately low res 'kitchen sink' source clips in different formats to ingest, 'garbage in/out' so lower res than when i have pro level mts 1080p for ingesting...

trying to figure out how to do a video wall w/ 12-16 pip sources...my solution was to render one row at a time of clips, then combine, but made for lower-res output..

maybe i should've just asked about video wall/pip tech issues, thx all

i should say thx Alan, I'll redo it and figure out how to make it better, eg do occasional large-window hero shot overlay transitions etc; that was a first draft afternoon project

@ old smoke--very nice.

@ ken --One thing that will help is to pre-render each of your six windows to roughly the size of each window using an intermediate. For a 1080 project, each window should be 640x540. Expecting Vegas to simultaneously resize 6 1920x1080 windows down to one is a bit much. An added bonus is that the quality of the final render will be much better. This applies to stills as well. It's always best to resize before placing the events on the timeline.

wwaag

thanks wwaag, good idea... basically i have a bunch of amateur clips done by the girls themselves they sent me, cellphone quality (as low as 320x568!) so not much to work with... thx re 640x540...good idea to resize-to-std so less work for Vegas, will do..thanks :) .. will use sharpen/color/contrast on source clips to improve

i like working with pros who use high-end cameras, can't expect a lot from non-pros tho... like when I do live seminars i hire pro videographers so I'll get 1080p clips on hard drive.... opposite end of spectrum getting low res clips from ladies

I rendered 8 1920x1080-23.97 MOV streams plus a title panel without incident on an i7-3770(k). It was SLOW, about 2 and a half minutes for 12 seconds of video, but it proceeded. I worked in a 3840x2160 project and typed the width and height numbers into the Pan/Crop box at three times the 1920x1080 source video dimensions.



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I don't know six women.

@ken

Here is a thought. Make sure that your CPU isn't over heating and that your power supply can handle the load; PIP is compute intensive.

I personally doubt that resizing the clips first will yield any quality improvement, I would rather think they other way around. As long as you use Pan/Crop to resize and track motion to position the clip you should be fine with full size source files.

@Old Smoke

"[I]As long as you use Pan/Crop to resize and track motion to position the clip you should be fine with full size source files.[/I]"

Why use Track Motion when you can make the Pan/Crop box any size you want and locate it anywhere you want?

Example

One can even do the math and just type the locations into the data panels.

I personally doubt that resizing the clips first will yield any quality improvement, I would rather think they other way around.

In this instance, I respectfully disagree. In fact, if you want the best quality, you would frameserve out of Vegas and do your resizing in Avisynth and then re-import those clips back onto the timeline. I discovered this a number of years ago doing a 2 by 2 video wall with HDV footage. I've also found this to be the case with still images. Resize in something else like Photoshop before bringing them onto the timeline. Do a search on the forum and you'll find others in agreement. Not only will the quality be better, but the rendering faster inside of Vegas. That's also an advantage of frameserving a 1080 project into Handbrake for downsizing to 720 for YT or Vimeo. Simply stated, there are better resizing algorithms outside of Vegas.

@wwaag

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I am not convinced. In your workflow, resizing outside of Vegas, you have to resize to a lossless codec otherwise you will encounter generational losses. Also with regards to render time, you have to add the additional time your workflow requires to the final and maybe shorter render time in Vegas. Also keep in mind that I am frame serving to Handbrake straight from Vegas for Vimeo and YT. HDV, 1440x1080 can be an issue as it doesn't have square pixels and resizing may not work so well in Vegas. My source is all square pixels, 1280x720 60p in the case of the linked video.

Vegas does an excellent job as long as you follow the rules. If you want to compare pixel by pixel then sure there are better ways but, in my opinion, the visual difference is in most cases not worth the extra work.

good points... thx johnd as always, good 6-pip w/flowers/house...interesting ideas on best workflow, great food for thought + "render test" time...woot :)

unfortunately my sources are mostly poor quality mix of mov/avi/mp4 all different resolutions, low-res

here''s my v12 timeline + how I did PIPs (am i way off-base?):

http://www.tradingjazz.com/v12timeline1.jpg

http://www.tradingjazz.com/v12timeline2.jpg


oldsmoke that's a brilliant pip clip btw, now I've got editor-envy lol

hey way offtopic but how's DSE/manny & the vasst guys?

@ken
Given the fact that you have six windows you really don't need high resolution clips. You have a very lively soundtrack, but the windows are static. Give some thought to perhaps moving the wndows in some cadence with the music. Also changing the position of your ladies in the windows. Right now, they stay in the same window. Also some quick zooms in and out of your lovely ladies and their parts. Perhaps breaking down each clip into say 4 sec segments and then randomizing the order and position of each event across the six windows. There needs to be movement and change to capture and maintain the attention of the viewer. Perhaps a shot of you playing in the background and these windows appearing on top. Lots of possibilities. Time to experiment. Good luck.

Interesting issue, I made a 25 video 1920x1080 wall a couple of days ago and it rendered on my 4790k no problems, XDCam EX 24p preset and source videos were varying bitrate and fps mp4s. Realtime playback was about 0.8 fps but rendered nicely :D

Ken, take a few ideas from this and other examples on youtube: Split Screen / Picture in Picture[/link]

I didn't realise the girls had supplied their own footage so I now understand why some of the shots were such low quality, but I do think you could have been more creative, even with so little to work with.

thanks all for the helpful comments; completely agree...I'm in the process of getting new clips as well; will do with zooms/hero shots, mixing up locations and adding some creative editing to the mix... step 1 was just getting the clips to render ... excellent examples, thank you all for spurring me to improve the edit, will do.

www.tradingjazz.com

goal is to make it a "fan club" type sizzle reel to support an upcoming hobby music video I'm working on; it'll be neat with hi-res panning footage of me playing sax in front of greenscreen (I use AE keylight), which'll have night shot of panning city view las vegas/nyc background... (I've got a high-quality greenscreen studio w/softboxes).. fun to get creative w/Vegas.

thx Alan, neat bro-hemian rhapsody vid, creative pip/visuals

most of the 1000s of hours of footage/dvds I do w/vegas are in the finance industry (yawn), so it's nice to do something completely different (yay hotties lol)... thx much for the pro editing insights!

thx, redid w/ 640x540 renders much better quality and now with 14 models:

http://www.tradingjazz.com

hi, true...any tips on getting rid of interlacing from source? I re-encoded source mp4/movs to avi (standard setting); the avis have interlacing... I seem to recall the field settings/project property there was something that got rid of interlacing artifacts...any idea? thanks...

wwaag thx a lot, I did your idea and the re-encoded clips to 640x540 looks a lot better (and rendered fine), so its' much better than first attempt, thank you :)

for youtube rem. to click gear icon to set playback to 1080p/720

[I]"any tips on getting rid of interlacing from source?"[/I]

YADIF plugin for Vegas.

http://www.sonyvegas.co.uk/yadif-deinterlace-for-sony-vegas/

Bob.

When you have poor quality video / audio you can clena up the audio a little... the video? Well I would have located a template for the 3x2 video wall for easier rendering and less time stuffing around. To make the video look slightly better -colours match ( use the graphs in Vegas) you could have made clips smaller and encased in borders and perhaps an Andy Warhol style wall to 'hide' the imperfections o use other creative plugins. all that experience you have.. .Not having a go at you, but I do agree with others about the finished project.
Be creative!

thanks, will keep working on it...everyone's tips here are much appreciated, you all are motivating me to keep improving it... it's just a secondary video. main one will be music video w/AE/greenscreen musician performance...this one's just to add a bit of eye candy/sizzle to the site...thx to all :)

good idea re 3x2 (or 4x3) template, and cleaning it up; thx lyricgirl

thx Bob re yadif plugin, didn't know about that one

Here is a link to free plugin for Vegas that does Videowalls.

http://www.davitools.com/

I too noticed the interlacing artifacts. Make sure that when you render each video that you have the de-interlacing method checked--either Blend or Interpolate. Yadif will be better. In that case you can apply it as a Media Fx. However, you MUST set the de-interlacing in the render box to None.

wwaag