Catalyst Edit

set wrote on 5/14/2015, 11:44 PM

USD 399.95...
Wow, the same price as Vegas Pro Edit....

NickHope wrote on 5/14/2015, 11:57 PM

Here. $399.95 is for the production suite including Browse, Prepare and Edit.

The official discussion forum is on the Sony Community site, not this site.

Marc S wrote on 5/15/2015, 4:36 AM

Think you guys could now spend some programming time fixing Vegas to work with XAVC-L files? I mean you are Sony right? And you did sell me a Sony camera with a Sony proprietary codec right?

And considering that most other programs such as Premiere CC, Edius, Lightworks, Avid, and Catalyst Edit now work with it perhaps Sony Vegas should as well???

megabit wrote on 5/15/2015, 6:32 AM

Whatever it all means, it stinks. All of us the loyal SCS Vegas Pro customer base are kept uninformed, and plain and simply ignored as a pay-off for many years of loyalty.

I feel offended.

Piotr

PS. OK, so it reads XAVC-L and it plays it back - but how do I know how many frames I'm actually seeing? Not to mention the quality - it's easy to play back a 4k file in a tiny window, but I can't view it full screen on external (Windows-Secondary) monitor....

PPS. And the price?!! Gosh, this thing is so primitive compared to Vegas Pro that it should be free - like many of those "Ultimate Director" (or whatever the name - didn't mean to offend any specific vendor) type of software that often accompany a $50 hardware like a DVD drive. Shame on you, SCS!

PeterWright wrote on 5/15/2015, 7:01 AM

As I mentioned in another thread, Sony have packaged a FREE multi cam 4k editor called Action Cam Movie Creator with X1000v cameras costing about $500.

If I pay $3,500 for an x70, I seem to be a lot less looked after.

All I want is to be able to edit Sony 4k in Vegas. Surely I don't have to pay $400 extra to do this.

I must admit I'm pretty confused by the plethora of Catalyst products. If I absolutely have to buy one to edit 4k in Vegas I may do so, but not for $400.

Tech Diver wrote on 5/15/2015, 7:19 AM

This may be an opportunity for us to re-evaluate which system we use and perhaps switch to something altogether different like Davinci Resolve perhaps.

Peter

JJKizak wrote on 5/15/2015, 7:30 AM

Old guys like me are having trouble steering the boat in the proper direction. Hopefully the smart guys will figure things out so I can clean off my bio-harddrive.
JJK

Dexcon wrote on 5/15/2015, 7:54 AM

Catalyst Edit may be really good for basic 4K editing - maybe aimed for ENG or the like - but promoting ripple editing as a major feature - something that sub-$100 consumer NLEs have had for close to 10 years - seems to suggest that Catalyst Edit is quite primitive editing-wise compared to almost all other NLEs, professional or consumer.

I just cannot believe that Catalyst is a replacement for Vegas Pro. But VP14 - assuming that there will be a VP14 - will tell all. I really really, really hope that VP continues and evolves to meet the demands of 4K. I love editing in Vegas Pro. But if VP is abandoned by SCS, I can see that DaVinci Resolve is my most likely next choice for an NLE - and I'm very much looking forward to trying out Resolve 12 when its released in July - I'm already in an early learning curve with 11, but its editing and audio functions are currently rather limited.

Please SCS, build on Vegas Pro to make it pre-eminent for complex editing in the 4K era.

NickHope wrote on 5/15/2015, 8:07 AM

Oh dear. Hardly the most joyous reception.

I echo what Piotr says about the lack of communication and support. I hate this SCS policy of keeping users in the dark, and neglecting to fix/add basic stuff. It's difficult to comprehend.

If Vegas Pro development has now been abandoned, the Catalyst suite is going to have to evolve pretty fast to have a chance of keeping users like me with Sony. Resolve 12 (from July) is looking (on paper) like an attractive exit strategy, especially if the free version has all the editing tools. And the new color correction features in the forthcoming release of Premiere Pro have certainly got my attention too.

If Vegas Pro development hasn't been abandoned, then please tell us and give us some reassurance. And please let us know what you have planned for Catalyst. A grading module? A media management module? More features in Edit?

Assuming there is more in the works, a policy of silence will only accelerate the exodus to other platforms.

monoparadox wrote on 5/15/2015, 8:39 AM

"If Vegas Pro development has now been abandoned, the Catalyst suite is going to have to evolve pretty fast to have a chance of keeping users like me with Sony."

Bingo.

We may get an indication by watching whether Sony's partners adapt new releases to Vegas.

Also, might add they are not offering an upgrade path to Catalyst from Vegas (at least now). It will be interesting to see where things go . . .

-- tom

wwjd wrote on 5/15/2015, 9:03 AM

have I got this right? More money, less features?

farss wrote on 5/15/2015, 9:11 AM

Well, us Vegas users are being offered a $100 discount on "Catalyst Production Suite" according to the email I just received. As the only reason I'd have for buying it is to get around the issues Vegas has that seems a pretty steep price to pay for a bug fix.

There's another problem though. I checked out the official support forum that Nick mentioned and oh dear, users of Catalyst are having as many issues as Vegas users plus it's inherited one of the perpetual bugs that Vegas has had for years. All that's offered by SCS is a promise to fix it sometime soon, sigh.

Bob.

winrockpost wrote on 5/15/2015, 9:29 AM

I confuse easily...I am here on sony vegas pro, editing software forum...I am being advertised a different sony editing software....something bothers me about this whole thing

monoparadox wrote on 5/15/2015, 9:35 AM

Ha! Just received the email offering the discount right after I posted.

I noticed the issues over on the Catalyst forum, too. We'll see where she goes.

It was also interesting to see discussion that FCP is over the hill, too. 4k is evidently forcing some major changes in software architecture -- not just with Vegas.

-- tom

VidMus wrote on 5/15/2015, 10:06 AM

I got the email for $100 off and clicked on the link to see what it is all about.

One thing I cannot figure out though, is, what benefits does this offer over Vegas? I noticed that it is touted to be for 4k but what about a person like me who will be in 2k land for some time?

Maybe some kind of comparison chart between Vegas and Catalyst Edit and/or Vegas and the suite?

So far I am 0% convinced that I should upgrade.

So far, Yawn and take a nap! SNORE!!!

Dexcon wrote on 5/15/2015, 10:16 AM

Yes, I am in 4K land - an AX100 - but do I want to pay $US299.95 (based on being a VP purchaser) for an NLE which is so basic - I don't think so.

I can't help but feel that SCS is following NewBlueFX's example of repackaging and then charging a premium to get the "new" version of what you already have. But in Catalyst's case, its even less than VP in features Yuk!

BruceUSA wrote on 5/15/2015, 10:22 AM

I to, received an email offered $100 discount for Catalyst Production Suite. That means $199.

OldSmoke wrote on 5/15/2015, 10:36 AM

[I]So far I am 0% convinced that I should upgrade.[/I]

Well, I downloaded the trial and rest assured, it would not be an upgrade but a rather huge down grade.

NickHope wrote on 5/15/2015, 10:45 AM

Bruce, it's USD 299.95 after the 100 discount.

wwjd wrote on 5/15/2015, 11:03 AM

If Catalyst is missing one thing - ONE THING that I use in Vegas, I'm screwed. Does it have EVERY plugin that Vegas has and more?? Because it sure sounds stripped back to me.

Is GH4 footage fixed?
Does GO-PRO footage work yet?
Is it Vegas renamed with the same old deal-breaking issues?
Do plugins from other vendors work EXACTLY like they work in Vegas?

I'm no burdening YOU guys with these questions, just seems there are a ton of variables.
Where's the "Hey Vegas users... you get all that and more...." page?

UPDATE:
to answer my own questions, I installed it and poked around. This is not a Vegas replacement at all. Reminded me of Go-Pro's free editor or MS Movie Maker.

pwppch wrote on 5/15/2015, 11:27 AM

I clearly opened a can of worms here...

There was some discussion here when we first announced at NAB. I thought the Vegas community would be interested and might want to take a look at the trial version.

Peter

vkmast wrote on 5/15/2015, 11:39 AM

Interestingly, "it's not a vegas replacement" was deleted from the above post.

OldSmoke wrote on 5/15/2015, 11:40 AM

[I] I thought the Vegas community would be interested and might want to take a look at the trial version.[/I]

I do and I did but to be honest, what am I looking at? Is this version 1 of 100 before it is "actually" is released? What will it do in its final version?

Chaotica wrote on 5/15/2015, 11:56 AM

Catalyst is definitely intended as the next step in video production - being built from the ground-up to utilize OpenCL as the main code-path for processing to leverage hardware GPU & CPU resources. Previously posted presentation videos basically showed that the main architectural difference between Vegas & the upcoming Catalyst software's is that Vegas always starts with a CPU-centric code-path with OpenCL accelerators being tacked on wherever they made sense to utilize vs a base OpenCL framework which allows the software to dynamically configure & utilize all available resources of both the GPU & CPU in a more parallel processing fashion. I certainly applaud this type of forward thinking development.

That being said, I certainly hope that the management of Sony Creative Software has a plan for eventually migrating Vegas Pro into Catalyst & not some stupid Apple tactic of dropping users off a cliff - especially since 1.0 software versions are hardly complete, bug-free, nor have feature parity.