Thanks for your feedback GeeBax. Having just learned from you about its current editing limitations, I now hesitate to jump into it (in contrast to my thoughts just a few hours ago). I do quite a bit of color correction and grading using Red Giant Colorista in PPro and After Effects, and use the slightly less powerful Colorista version that is in MB Looks when using Vegas. I realize that Resolve does a better job, but I don't want to add more fragmentation to my workflow with yet another export/import just for color work alone. If Resolve v12 can be used productively for editing I will very likely embrace it.

In general, how do you like the node-based approach?

Peter

Nodes are excellent. Allows incremental steps in developing the image, creation of alternate paths, that you can swap in and out. The editor is quite usable but having been developed by Apple fans it is less intuitive than Vegas. If you're shooting Prores I found it easy to cut in Vegas, export to Resolve for grading and back to Vegas for final audio refinement and finish. I'm looking forward to Resolve 12 hoping that its editing suite is more sophisticated.
Resolve has quite a learning curve so good to start well before you need to use it.

I produce news magazine type segments and find that Resolve can do almost everything I need. The color correction is the best out there period and it solves a lot of the Vegas "what color space am I in" confusion. For color and straight cuts it's great. The title tools are rudimentary, since my titles are added at network level this doesn't affect me. I find the stabilization, sharpening and zooming- cropping to be far superior to Vegas. I do bring my project back to Vegas for the audio, but they (Resolve) are introducing integration with iZotope in July.
That being said it is a very GPU driven program, unless you have a very good graphics card(s) you won't be happy. Their help forum is populated with Hollywood divas that don't believe you should be there unless your working on a big budget movie.
I have replaced about 75% of the work I did in Vegas with Resolve. Funny how they (for free) seem to be able to work with DNxHD and DNxHR both MXF and Mov flavors. The in-out between Vegas and Resolve is very good if you use the Final Cut 7/ Davinci workflow. As expected it recognizes my decklink mini which Vegas doesn't.
Sorry Vegas getting time to say goodbye after 10 years.

Very interesting. I wonder how many people might make the switch to their product.

Are there any plugins that fill the shortcomings of their titler? Do you happen to know if it integrates with some well known plugins, especially Mocha Pro, which is a key tool in my workflow?

Peter

I came lurking after reading the announcement of Catalyst Suite. What I read pretty much confirmed my thoughts. Glad I didn't move back to SCS products.

I've been testing Resolve Lite 11.3 for the past month and a half or so. It reads OFX plugins and Blackmagic indicates which ones it supports (You can use the OFX version of Neat Video in Resolve LIte no problem)

Coming from Premiere Pro CS6,and how I use it in the editing process, it's almost a wash for me compared with PPro CS6, but it does have some limitations I'm still trying to work around/through while cutting my projects.

Having said that, the ability to grade in a way I know will work is one of the biggest reasons I've been testing it (Using LUT's is a major shift in my workflow - and Vegas totally drops that ball in that arena). Caveat for Resolve/Resolve Lite is editing native compressed footage from DSLR is painfully sluggish and it's recommended you transcode your footage to an industry standard codec like Prores or DNxHD, and yes, it can handle RAW/CinemaDNG but you better have a properly spec'd machine based on Blackmagic recommended hardware specs.

Cineform has known issues with Resolve not reading the color space correctly (Reads it as 601 not 709 when imported) and I've tested and confirmed with both David Newman and Jake Seagraves at Cineform that it's an issue Blackmagic needs to fix. I've moved back to DNxHD for intermediates and they cut like a hot knife through butter in Resolve as well as maintain the proper color space without the agonizing limitations that SONY Vegas Pro has with MOV wrapped files. Batch encode your native footage in Resolve Lite - works like a dream.

If the specs of version 12 do pan out the way Blackmagic says they will, Adobe and AVID should be very concerned at their imposed ransomware profits. Blackmagic is opening the floodgates with their Lite version (You can edit native 4K footage as well as render out that 4K footage - for no cost). SCS is not going to weather the Resolve Lite 12 release very well IMO - which does more on the cutting/color correction/grading end of things than Vegas can do - but Audio is still Vegas Pro's forte'.

As much as I loved the editing paradigm, it's readily apparent SCS missed the boat. They should have done a total recode years ago.

For me, that ship sailed along time ago.

I've just noticed there is now a public beta of Resolve 12.

I'm planning to give it a spin, but suspect I might have to upgrade my graphics cards as I recall Resolve really likes to use one for the GUI and another one for the processing, and they should both be similar.

Not sure if the beta is the full Resolve or Resolve Lite.

I've already asked them to add mouse-wheel timeline zoom :)

Don't miss the configuration guide.

Hi,

Long time SVP user, since ver. 4. FIRST TIME commenting here....SVP 12.. I love it. The problem for me was the inablility to get realtime playback at full or close to full rez....But the hardware now is getting closer so I am better with that aspect....but, in seeking that...I tried Adobe Premier and AE, as well as Resolve 11 and now 12.....Resolve is great...After effects with Mocha, powerful, but you are constantly back and forth there as well, AE to Mocha and Back....PITA...... Premier is clunky, (but shows promise) because I like to composite inside the workflow of the timeline, and SONY VEGAS is really the best there....it has limitations, but so do these other programs.....I would not jump ship, YET, to any of the aforementioned, but I do specific tasks in each program, with Resolve playing a key role now...the workflow will be edit in Vegas, rough cut, export via the Final Cut xlm or AAF export, color correct, and back to vegas for finishing..ala: Really difficult - for me- to work in the Davinci timeline.....just too clunky still....Tracking is good, color is great...but editing,...compositing...noooooo...AND NONE OF THEM COME CLOSE TO VEGAS WITH SOUND....and ease of use....

[I]I like to composite inside the workflow of the timeline, and SONY VEGAS is really the best there[/I]

Vegas is an editor, not a compositor. So I don't see what you mean by your statement. There are only two compositing plugins for Vegas that I am aware of (Boris Red and HitFilm) and you have to exit Vegas and enter the environment of the plugins in both cases. This is no different than jumping into the Mocha Pro tracking plugin from inside After Effects.

Peter

Vegas is actually an excellent DAW ( if you don't need MIDI ), an excelent NLE and a so, so compositor. It does it all.

Not not even close to Fusion, but it can be done in Vegas.

Again, Vegas is an editor and [I]not[/I] a compositor. It lacks one of the most fundamental features that compositors use for motion graphics, which is smooth spatial interpolation. Just try to move an object at a steady speed in a circle using either track motion or panning using 4 control points. You can't. If you don't believe me, just give it a try.

Peter

I have been learning Resolve12 lately. There's a huge improvement on editing side, but for performance and speed editing, Sony Vegas Pro still win. At least you can still do the work with limited computer spec. For Resolve12, the computer spec must be higher.

Adding NewBlueFX Titler Pro 4 media generator in Resolve12 is my system 1, I catch very sllloowwww playback, but not much an issue on Vegas Pro 13!


Opening Multicam clip in timeline

Color Grading Multicam clip in timeline

According to BMD Resolve forum, this was caused by lack of GPU memory. I use ATI Radeon 5700 with 1GB memory. It is recommended to use 4GB memory of video card, or use Render Cache features.

One minus with Resolve for me, it doesn't support AVCHD format, so I convert them all to Sony MXF 35Mbps to keep the size small, but for more perfect workflow, better use DNxHD codec.

For more detailed workflow on motion graphics, try look at the free HitFilm3 Express too. This latest version can link with Sony Vegas Pro.

Fusion has different workflow on compositing, you will be presented with Node-based workflow, different than Sony Vegas Pro, HitFilm or After Effects, all of them were Layer-based workflow. I rarely dealing with compositing, so I haven't used Fusion a lot.
Besides Fusion, you can also take a look on recent Open-source compositing called Natron from https://natron.inria.fr/. They are still under heavy development right now, but seems promising. The interface is following Nuke a lot, as intended by the programmer so you can jump between Nuke and Natron without too much adaptation.

Set

In addition to not supporting AVCHD, it also does not support XDCAM EX, which is surprising since it is used in many "professional" video environments (e.g. broadcast, etc.). Since all my footage is in that format, this shortcoming is currently an obstacle that is preventing me from using the BM products.

Peter

Peter, BMD just release Resolve12 Beta4, and surprisingly, now you can put AVCHD file there!

But, there are some notes:
- Rename all extension from *.M2TS back to *.MTS if you transfer using PlayMemories.
- Audio stream of AVCHD with AC3 audio compression will be rejected. You will expect Video stream only. Only AVCHD with PCM audio format can be accepted, like one came from Sony PMW-X70 camcorder.

Unfortunately, looks like XDCAM EX MP4 format is still trouble.
I have EX 35Mbps sample file here, and only Video stream can be put, without audio, but then QTDecoder got crashed instantly.

Perhaps you want to try on your system?

Thanks for the updated information. I have not yet played around with v12 (primarily because of the XDCAM EX mp4 issue) but will give it a try in a few weeks when I am less busy to see if I get the same results as you.

Peter

Correction regarding to EX MP4 I have (got from someone else in other Vegas forum asking question):
I thought the file was Sony XDCAM EX's as analyzed by the MediaInfo, but read with Catalyst Browse: this was from JVC GY-HM150 camcorder.