Titling & Text in VP 13

WayneM wrote on 3/24/2015, 10:44 PM

Since I found out that it is the Sony ProType Titler in VP 13 that brings my Previews and Renders to a crawl (and NOT a title crawl) I'm looking to migrate to one of two options I have.

I have the NewBlue Titler Pro 3 I got with the VP13 Suite and I have the built-in Sony Titles & Text Media Generator. I've looked at and am looking for more demos on these two.

Somehow I'd missed exploring the Titles & Text in earlier Vegas versions, maybe because the other built-in was the "ProType Titler" and sounded like the Premiere product. I have worked a bit with the Titles and Text generator and it might work well enough, but I'm also exploring the NewBlue product I paid for. I did spend some time trying it out (once I got a new GPU that it would not run without) but it seemed it had lots of bells and whistles that were more trouble than they were worth if you just want professional titling that is clear, attractive and not gimmicky. The good news was that the sample titles I created with NewBlue previewed at full frame rate and rendered very well, not slowing the performance at all like the old Sony ProType Titler where simple titles could drag Preview to under 3 FPS!

I asking for personal experience from Vegas users with either or both of these two products. Since I'm going to have to abandon the ProType Titler I'm hoping to have to learn just 1 of these products. Maybe one is better for some things than others? I'm not looking buy yet another product, but let me know if you have found one that beats all these.

Thanks in advance.

Wayne

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imaginACTION_films wrote on 3/24/2015, 11:15 PM

Hi Wayne,
I have various NB titlers and they do have some great functions within.
However for the vast bulk of my titling I just need the same as you - clean, simple, readable text. I have found that the inbuilt titler is the fastest and easiest way to get there and so I usually go there first. It has its quirks but if you explore all of the tabs it is really quite powerful. I quite often place supers over a 50% grey strip across the bottom of the screen to aid readability. Clients seem to like the look a lot.

If I need to do something fancy I'll go to NB Titler Pro 3. It works really well and renders fast, but you may get issues from time to time so always check that you have the latest update installed.
David S

NormanPCN wrote on 3/25/2015, 12:07 AM

For most simple text I use the Legacy Text tool. The newer Titles and Text tool is similar but it has problems with many font files. I used to use T&T but switched to Legacy once bitten by the font issue.

For text capability beyond what the simple text tools in Vegas can do I use Newblue Titler Pro. This includes
Texture mapping and gradients
3D text
text animation

WayneM wrote on 3/25/2015, 1:53 PM

Hi David,

Thanks for the info.

When you say "inbuilt" which do you mean? There's the ProType Titler from Sony which has no support for any kind of acceleration and drops Preview frame rates to <3FPS event with a powerful GPU. I still have to do timing tests on the other inbuilt one, "Sony Titles & Text", to see if it causes less of a slow down.

Have you found a good resource for learning the NB 3 Titler? I think there was a webinar link. I'm kind of a paper/PDF person myself. Most of the YouTube stuff on it aren't that good. . .I used to produce 'real' training materials including videos.

Wayne

WayneM wrote on 3/25/2015, 2:03 PM

Thanks.

Was the problem with fonts with any specific type, like TrueType or Adobe? Did it show up in the Preview or only after rendering?

I've used it just a bit and haven't run into anything, but really appreciate the heads-up on this.

Wayne

NormanPCN wrote on 3/25/2015, 6:17 PM

Was the problem with fonts with any specific type, like TrueType or Adobe? Did it show up in the Preview or only after rendering?

Basically every Opentype CFF font I have does not work in Titles and Text. CFF fonts are ones with postscript glyphs. Nearly all fonts I purchase from myfonts.com or fonts.com come in CFF format.

I have some pure truetype fonts which T&T does not work with either.

The problem shows in both preview and render. There really is not much, if any, difference between preview and render except that preview just throws the video frames to the screen and render sends then to the chosen file encoder.

The problem shows in two ways.
1) the font just does not show up in the font list. most common.
2) it does show up in the font list and the wrong font is generated. infrequent.

Legacy Text, Protype have worked with everything. NewBlue can be a little quirky here but I can work around it.

WayneM wrote on 3/25/2015, 6:29 PM

Thanks for the details!

imaginACTION_films wrote on 3/26/2015, 2:42 AM

Hi Wayne,
By inbuilt I mean the Legacy text.
I haven't found any PDF style tutorials for Titler Pro but if you persevere there are lots of videos to help get you going.

In Titler Pro I use the library almost all the time. I choose the animation I like and apply it to my text. There are fantastic animations available and you see each one previewed as you hover over it in the library.
Cheers
David

WayneM wrote on 3/28/2015, 4:31 PM

I experimented a bit with Titles and Text and I too found a lot of fonts that show up on the list but don't work. Seems the Default Verdana is what gets thrown to the Preview by default.

I've got another question on a different issue, but I'll make it a new post.

Thanks for the pointers.

Wayne

wwaag wrote on 3/28/2015, 9:03 PM

I experimented a bit with Titles and Text and I too found a lot of fonts that show up on the list but don't work. Seems the Default Verdana is what gets thrown to the Preview by default.

I had the same problem with a font that would show up as Verdana. Go to the Control Panel and find Fonts. Select a font and you will see at the bottom something called "Font embeddability" which is something akin to DRM for fonts. For whatever reason, that font was restricted in some fashion. I don't remember the exact term. I re-installed the font from another source and it showed up as "Editable" and Vegas would display it properly in Titles and Text. If you search, "font embeddability", there are apparently ways to get around this problem.

wwaag

NormanPCN wrote on 3/28/2015, 9:40 PM

That is interesting since Vegas does not support embedding fonts. It should. It would make giving someone a VEG file more "friendly" when you use unique fonts.

There are some strange things going in inside the Titles and Text media generator with regards to fonts.

WayneM wrote on 3/31/2015, 5:50 PM

Without Vegas we would miss so much mystery and confusion :-)