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mike_in_ky wrote on 3/9/2015, 12:30 AM
According to the product information I found on TASCAM's website, you can supposedly get up to 4 simultaneous outputs via USB with the ASIO driver. I don't think you will be able to configure each of those 4 USB channels to individual audio tracks in Movie Studio. I have SMS 12 Platinum and I can only get stereo from my system.

I also have Sony Acid Music Studio 9. I have a Behringer X1204USB mixer that has USB communications to my PC. I can only do two channels of output to my computer using the ASIO driver, but with Acid I can configure individual audio tracks with left, right or stereo from the mixer.

My guess is you'll only be able to do stereo (2 channels) on 1 audio track with Movie Studio and then after recording, you'll have to separate the tracks within Movie Studio.
Chienworks wrote on 3/9/2015, 8:08 AM
I'm using Vegas Pro and i can get 16 simultaneous individual inputs on 8 stereo or 16 mono tracks from my US-1800. So, it works. What i don't know is if you can set up that many simultaneous inputs in the Studio versions of Vegas. It's possible this is one of the distinctions between Studio and Pro.

What you can try is in options / preferences / audio device choose the US-1800 as the audio device, then in each audio track header right-mouse-button click on a blank spot and from the popup menu choose Input / US-1800, then mono or stereo as desired, then choose the input number from the next popup menu. Maybe it will let you pick different inputs for each track, maybe not.
D7K wrote on 3/9/2015, 1:19 PM
If you have the suite and it doesn't work in MS, you can always use Acid Studio for as many tracks as you want. I use plural eyes also for syncing. I'm using v 13.
mike_in_ky wrote on 3/9/2015, 1:54 PM
In SMS Platinum 12, you set the "Audio Devices" in "Preferences". This is no button on an audio track header to select a device to assign to an individual audio track, so all audio tracks share the same input device. In Acid Music Studio 9, each audio track header has a button to allow selection of any available input device.

On Amazon, I've seen Acid 9 for $23.50 and Acid 10 for $42.50.
s k r o o t a y p wrote on 3/9/2015, 9:52 PM
I do appreciate the discussion about inputs and such but that's skipping ahead a bit. I'm looking for a basic walk through to get me to underway. To be specific, here's as far as I've gotten:

-Tascam connected to computer via USB and drivers installed
-Guitar plugged into interface input 9 (guitar button in)
-Output 9 knob turned up sufficient to see clipping light when guitar strummed
-US 1800 selected in Options>preferences>audio devices. All 3 playback settings default to "US 1800 out 1/ US 1800 out 2". Default audio recording device set to "US 1800 instrument in 9"
-When arming VMS10 audio track, LED guage strip appears (light blue fades to white with red at far right of strip) and a #5 appears in header.
-When mousing over that #5 "US 1800 instrument in 9" appears.
-When guitar is strummed no LEDS appear. When record is pressed, cursor moves along creating event but no waveform. There's no signal.
-Also I noticed as the cursor moves along over other tracks that I had on the timeline (just songs I had imported) they cannot be heard in the headphones unless I switch audio device back to "Microsoft sound mapper" (a previous default).

I simply want to be able to play/ record the guitar (through 1 input) along to other tracks I have on the timeline (and maybe have the option to record in stereo). Real basic. No video even involved. Just need to get a signal in with least latency and be able to record that signal while hearing it and existing tracks on the timeline. Can I do this without Acid?

What am I overlooking? Hold my hand! :)

EDIT: (also, under Audio Device: Enable track buffering?? Automatically detect and offset for hardware recording latency?? I have the US 1800's own settings at leats latency.)
s k r o o t a y p wrote on 3/9/2015, 10:12 PM
I moved the headphones over to the US 1800 and can hear the backing track clearly. I hit record and strummed the guitar even though there were no LED's and it actually recorded—but ultra distorted with a high pitched screeching noise like someone's holding down a raunchy synth note. Sounds terrible even after turning down US 1800's input knob. So I'm getting close, eh?

EDIT:(the high pitched screeching noise is there even without me strumming the guitar strings)
mike_in_ky wrote on 3/9/2015, 11:37 PM
What follows below the line is part of a discussion I had some months ago in the Acid Music Studio Forum about using my mixer to record in Acid. The high pitched buzz noise you refer to happens to me, too. Take a look at it.

If you have analog inputs into your sound board AND have the USB cable connecting the mixer to the computer, that's when the buzz occurs on my system. So, make sure you have either the USB interface plugged in OR analog inputs to your sound board mic input, not both. My guess is the USB bus and the analog inputs on your sound board don't use the same ground in your system and perhaps that is causing the buzz.

Also, if you want to record and hear the other previously recorded audio tracks while you are recording a new track (say your vocals or guitar), you may need to do the following.

With the driver installed, in Windows 7 in "Devices and Printers", the Behringer driver shows up as "USB Audio CODEC". However, your TASCAM driver may show up as something a little different on your Windows platform.

Select it and right click your mouse and select "Sound Settings". In the window, under the "Playback" tab, select the "Behringer Speakers" (or TASCAM speakers) and click "Set Default". In the "Recording" tab, click "Properties". In that new window, select the "Listen" tab and click the check box "Listen to this device". Close all those driver windows. The "Listen to this device" is the key.

Good luck.


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Like I mentioned above, I have a Behringer X1204USB mixer that I use with both Movie Studio and Acid Music Studio. I've recorded in Acid from the mixer in two ways.

1. Connect a patch cable from the main outputs to the 1/8 inch stereo mic input on your computer's sound board. Alternately, rather than the mains output, you can use the headphone jack on the mixer if your model has one.

2. Use the USB interface to transfer the signals. You will have to go to Behringer's website and download the USB ASIO-compliant driver. You will have to set it as the input device in Windows.

Keep in mind, you will have to set your tracks getting input for either 1 or 2 above and also either 'left' or 'right'. If you are recording 2 channels (stereo) simultaneously, don't forget to change the "Pan" control for the 2 tracks so that you route 'left' and 'right' to the correct tracks.

NOTE: You can theoretically record 4 tracks simultaneously using a combination of both 1 and 2. However, when I tried doing that in my system, I got a high pitched buzz superimposed on all waveforms. When I contacted Behringer about that issue, I was told by a company sound engineer that by trying to bring inputs in from both the mic jack and the USB at the same time I have set up a "virtual machine" that was causing the problem. Not sure what the heck a virtual machine is in this context.
s k r o o t a y p wrote on 3/10/2015, 10:40 PM
Very helpful. I'm so close! I've followed all the steps including setting the US 1800 interface as "listen to this device". The high pitched buzz went away and the guitar records to the track fairly clear. The main thing still lacking is that I still cannot hear the guitar as it's recording. It records with a waveform/event and can be heard by playing back but not as it is recording. Other songs on the timeline can, however, be heard as I am recording. What next?
mike_in_ky wrote on 3/10/2015, 11:25 PM
You can monitor input while recording in Acid Music Studio, but I don't think you can monitor input while recording in Movie Studio. At least I haven't been able to figure out how or see anything in the help files. Perhaps you can in Vegas Pro, but I don't know that for sure since I don't have that version of the movie software. You might want to give some thought into purchasing Acid Music Studio. I've seen version 9 on Amazon for about $23.50. Version 10 is the current version of that application.
s k r o o t a y p wrote on 3/11/2015, 7:46 PM
Wow, it's like turning back with the summit in view. Maybe I will post a new topic seeking live monitoring specifically. I asked Chienworks in another thread if she's had success. Seems like you ought to be able to monitor live for voice-overs and such common things. Many thanks Mike~
mike_in_ky wrote on 3/11/2015, 10:42 PM
With the "listen to this device" box checked in the driver, I tried recording my guitar in an audio track in Movie Studio last night using the USB and my mixer and I was able to hear my guitar in the speakers with a slight latency delay (that was expected). So, I think you should also be able to hear your guitar in Movie Studio while recording. Make sure in Options-->Preferences--> Audio Device you select either your speakers or USB speakers (which you would use your headphones through your mixer), you should be able to hear the guitar while recording.
s k r o o t a y p wrote on 3/11/2015, 11:10 PM
Well I do feel kind of sheepish about this. There is a glaring knob on the US1800 that says MIX with "computer" on one side and of it and "input" on the other side of it. HA! I simply had the knob turned all the way to the "computer" side. That's why I could only hear what was already on the timeline. I just turned it to the middle to let an equal amount of the input into the headphone mix. Egad! You're right Mike, I can monitor the input!

So what's with the "5L" in the track header? Is L for left? It appeared when I switched the input to mono. What's the 5?
mike_in_ky wrote on 3/12/2015, 10:46 AM
I've got Movie Studio 11 and 12. In audio track headers in both versions, I see the slider to the right side of "Pan". It defaults to "Center", but as I move it to one side or the other, I see things like "5%L" or "10%R". That's the percentage of the Pan control from side to side. In other words, if I move it so it reads "25%L", about 75% of that track's signal will go to the left channel in stereo. "Center" means half is going to each side in stereo. My guess is that's also what you are seeing in your Movie Studio version 10 just without the "%". Take a look at the HELP file and search on "Panning". That should shed some light on the subject. However, I'm not sure why it turned to "5L" when you changed to mono. Do you mean you configured the Audio Record Device in Movie Studio to mono?

Glad you found the problem with hearing your guitar as you record. If you are serious about recording tracks for music, I suggest you give consideration to getting a copy of Acid Music Studio. It offers more tools for recording audio than does Movie Studio. In fact, download and install the current trial version of Acid Music Studio and give it a try.
s k r o o t a y p wrote on 3/17/2015, 8:15 PM
Unexpected surgery in the family. That's why I dissappeared for a few days. When I arm any of the tracks they either say 5L or 1 next to the arm button. It's not to do with panning. All the panning is centered. It's something to do with inputs. When I change the input under "defrault audio rec device" the number that appears next to the arm button changes too, but it doesn't correspond to anything. I have the interface input set to 9 under"defrault audio rec device" and yet 5L or 1 appears. can't figure it.

Anyway, more importantly, along with the recorded signal comes a slight background distortion at playback. Sounds somewhat like a ring modulator effect sort of. Is that the latency? I have the interface configured for least latency. Would be nice to get rid of that distortion.
mike_in_ky wrote on 3/19/2015, 10:36 AM
Not sure about your noise issue. How is your version configured for default audio FX in each audio track? If you have any FX in the chain, they could be causing the noise. If there are some, "uncheck" them and see if the noise persists.

I don't see on my system what you describe as "5L" or other stuff when you arm for recording. Can you do a screen shot or something and email it or upload it somewhere so I can see it?

As far as latency goes, it bugs me a little. You can only do so much about latency with configuring the driver. With my Behringer X1204USB mixer, since I use headphones to listen while I record guitar or vocals, I have unchecked "listen to this device" in the configuration of the driver. I am able to hear the audio stream I am sending to the computer (via USB) while I'm recording so it's now not a big deal. That way I don't have to mess with the audio stream coming back with even a slight latency delay. Not sure how the TASCAM allows you to mix the incoming and outgoing streams in your headphones.