I agree. The world does not need yet another codec to support, especially one developed by a single guy with no backup support. What happens when he spies something else interesting elsewhere and drops support of it.

This proposal has been discussed on a number of other forums and the comments are much the same.

I'm afraid you two completely MISS the value of the MOX format. it is NOT a codec, it is a container like the MXF format only open source. it would allow people who use special effects to export a group of frames synced to audio or multiple synced streams in one package and be able to manipulate them and allow them to be cross platform interchangeable with color schemes intact! something that a lowly old codec alone is not capable of due to so many possible variables. if you don't want to donate, that's fine! what's is important to me is that SONY consider adding the ability to use it in vegas as vegas is my preferred editor and I work with others who use other tools and MOX would make many of our lives a lot easier!

cheers!!

Like I said we don't need any new stinkin container. We have very fine containers already thank you in .avi, mxf, and .mov. You don't make any argument at all for this cause. I also wonder if you are living in the broadcast world, or elsewhere. It would make difference what you are appealing to.
For example again I point out that the no loss magic format - is good for the 4k production workflow. Identify who you are trying to serve.

can you copy individual frames into a magic format rendered file without re-rendering the whole file? for that matter you can't do that with MXF either because it is proprietary and controlled by a private license. Can a AVI or MXF or MOV contain multiple streams of PNG frames synced to multiple tracks of audio and be manipulated easily without re-rendering the whole batch? just curious.

I'm afraid it escapes me why you guys would object to having an open source container that is free to use and extremely versatile for both post production and final release that can be used cross platforms on mac or PC, that maintains color information in the file so colors will match wherever you view the files. really, you are responding to this as if you had something to lose... sheesh!!

the answer to your question of how a no loss codec works - is yes, the frames do standalone and can be worked in any NLE. for that matter there are many codecs in .avi containers that do that as well.

Your case not only has to work technically but also politically, and economically. That is the problem with about 90% of open source coding.

politics has nothing to do with good video! The politics you are referring to is about money. and no, politics is not a problem with open source coding but a problem with commercial applications (and not necessarily all of those have that problem either).

seriously, what is your objection to my request for sony to add this format? what agenda are you trying to push anyway??

I think the main issue is that we would prefer Sony to devote time and resources to fixing existing problems rather than provide support for a format that is not yet in universal use.

And it is a dirty trick to suggest someone has a hidden agenda when they are offering a view that differs from your own.

Okay, I apologize for my reaction to comments made BUT I have to say that I felt pounced on when I suggested what I thought was a good idea. Also a lot of really great companies are onboard for this and have donated money to the cause because they too thought it was a good idea. we will see how it goes from here. And. for all of my colleagues that will be using MOX, I may have to resort to using premiere pro instead of vegas to open and transcode the video they send me (heaven forbid!)

I'd prefer LESS containers and codecs and formats

+1 100% wwjd

really sick and tired of manufacturers trying to force proprietary codecs with their cameras. IF there was some major significant advantage i'd understand, but usually there isn't.

also tired of qt.and it's 32bit environment.

wasn't it nice when dv reigned supreme and you could buy almost any camera and edit straight out of the box with any nle....

What about Matroska? (.mkv)

I thought that was supposed to be the bee's knees.

And if you want a new paid-for container, there is TMPGEnc's new offering.

The beauty of standards is that there are so many to choose from!

FYI, Windows 10 will support MKV files out of the box.

Vegas user since 2000....

It's amazing the level of ignorance and thoughtless replies here. The MOX format is not "another codec or container" and yes, there is currently a mess of confusing codecs and containers out there and we don't need more like this.

MOX is a fundamentally different proposal to address the fact that there is no universal, open source, cross-platform container that support a wide range of currently!!! existing codecs. MOX will not be owned by a Microsoft/Apple/Adobe/Group of IP Patent holders etc. and will be developed from the ground up to be modern, reliable (things like cross app and cross platform gamma) and effecient with a solid plan to be updated for the foreseeable future.

Currently, no such container exists and this a huge industry wide problem affecting a broad swath of professional users. Amateurs and hobbyists - no - at least until they are required to deliver a 10-bit REC709 file for say broadcast or DCP output to a post house. Then the fun begins.

If you look at the backers of the MOX project, you will find a long list of industry professionals and leading edge post companies (like Red Giant) - so it's hardly just me or the original poster trying to make a point. MOX had no trouble raising the funds and much more, so it's clearly a convincing argument to those who deal with interchanging files between apps, operating systems and platforms daily.

Having used Vegas since the days of yore and now using a number of other NLE apps due to Vegas lack of penetration in the professional post world - let's be frank. Anything Vegas can do to help sell it as a serious professional tool is critical to gaining market and mind share. MOX is probably one of the best steps and by far the easiest and most cost effective steps to do just that.

So if you want to Vegas to avoid MOX like the plague, well don't gripe about the professional post-production industry avoiding Vegas like the plague.

The best thing that could happen to Vegas is a bunch of sales in that market.

Then in that case I will add to the 'ignorance'. It seems the funding goal has now been not only reached, but exceeded.

But as I said earlier, I am sceptical of a project like this being undertaken by a single individual. Where is the security for this? What are the benefits? In return for subscribing, all you get is your name placed in one of a number of locations? No sane company undertaking software development would sanction the idea of a single developer working on a project like this. There is no risk for Brendan Bolles, he gets $30k to sit down and create his dream, wish I could have got a deal like that when I was writing!

I have written many software projects in my life, but I always considered it was my responsibility to fund my own development and then offer the result, not take peoples money up-front to fund my own piece of glory.

Something may come of this, on the other hand, someone else might get a whiff of it and gazump him, then what happens to your money?

>I am sceptical of a project like this being undertaken by a single individual. Where is the security for this? What are the benefits?

What part of Open Source do you not understand? Brandon is writing the initial code but as he writes and posts it, it's available to all for future development.

Sure, Brandon could take the $30k and go to the Caymans but unlikely. Many of us use his main source of income (Fnordware) plugins as critical parts of our post production, so why would he sabotage that? Brandon has been contributing critical post plugins for many years and has a proven track record including releasing free ones. He has participated in industry forums and events for many years.

It's just ironic that major post houses, companies and others (I mean Video Copilot put in $4400!) are behind this and people here act like they are much better informed. That's ignorance plain and simple.

Here's an in depth interview about it.

http://provideocoalition.com/mchristiansen/story/mox-and-open-source-video

it's also thoughtless and maybe offensive to beg for money all over the internet... say, like in a forum like this.

More than thoughtless - I hate to use the language I would call it. This kind of development is less than purposeful. I asked long ago in this thread what this energy is meant to serve, given many political and economic obstacles lying ahead.
NOT a single answer in reply. I guess it supposed to line someone's pockets.

the project is closed and successfully funded and was widely covered on the internet on forums just like this if you bothered the few seconds it would have taken to look that up.

All you guys have managed to succeed is the MOX will likely avoid Vegas. Yet another reason Vegas will struggle for market share. Nicely done.

[I]All you guys have managed to succeed is the MOX will likely avoid Vegas. Yet another reason Vegas will struggle for market share. Nicely done.[/I]

Yet another petulant response from someone when others don't agree with their view. Sad to see immature responses like this, and it does your cause no good.