Subject:Will there be a 3.0b fixed version of ACID as for Sound Forge?

Posted by: jlourau

Date:5/13/2001 3:31:00 PM

The 3rd-party plug-in bug that crashed when "importing"
plug-ins in Sound Forge and that was also appearing in Acid
3.0 doesn't seem to have been fixed even in the latest
build of Acid 3.0. As other users, I get (with the build
189 version) the same bug of fatal exception during a very
slow directX plug-in scan as in the buggy version of Sound
Forge 5.0. The corrected process (in Sound Forge 5.0b) is
ten times faster and doesn't crash. A side-effect of this
bug is that after the plug-in scan crash, ACID runs
correctly, you can play the demo song for instance, but
once you try to create a bus with a plug-in effect or to
insert an assignable FX, the list of the plug-ins is empty!
So my question is, does Sonic Foundry intend to release a
ACID 3.0b version, as well as for Sound Forge.

Subject:RE: Will there be a 3.0b fixed version of ACID as for Sound Forge?

Reply by: jlourau

Date:5/16/2001 6:53:33 PM

I'm very sad to see that Sonic Foundry won't do anything to
solve the third-party plug-ins problem the same way as they
did with Sound Forge...

Subject:RE: Will there be a 3.0b fixed version of ACID as for Sound Forge?

Reply by: MacMoney

Date:5/16/2001 8:26:56 PM

What Plugins are you talking about?
Waves?
Cakewalk?
Hyperprism DX
Izotope?
RBC?
TC?
Timeworks?

Subject:RE: Will there be a 3.0b fixed version of ACID as for Sound Forge?

Reply by: jlourau

Date:5/17/2001 12:49:36 PM

I don't know.
Sonic Foundry has recognized the issue for Sound Forge as
being a "third-party plug-in" bug, that's one of the
reasons why they made a second release of Sound Forge
(5.0b). This bug makes the plug-in scan crash when booting
the program, thus giving an empty plug-in list (in Acid as
well as in Sound Forge). But there is no "3.0b" version for
Acid. I've tried to uninstall half of my plug-ins, but I
couldn't find the time to uninstall them all, and I
couldn't find which one the plug-ins was the problem. All I
know is that it's not my fault, because the new version of
Sound Forge was working 100% perfect! Sonic Foundry, please
port the 5.0b programming code correction to Acid!

Subject:RE: Will there be a 3.0b fixed version of ACID as for Sound Forge?

Reply by: SonyJennL

Date:5/18/2001 1:52:25 PM

Please let me know what plug-ins you are using so we are able to look into this.

And, yes, there will be a 3.0b- it's in the works already.

Thanks.
Jenn

Subject:My Acid Bug-Chasing Experience > FOR SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: jlourau

Date:5/18/2001 7:33:23 PM

Thank you for your answer Jenn!

I hope that you or someone else from Sonic Foundry will take the time to read all the stuff that took me time to write. Even if a plug-in bug can be caused by an unproper or badly coded plug-in, this is usual, so the program should remain stable, unless the user willingly loads the plug-in effect for use in a song.

SONIC FOUNDRY HELP ME! READ BELOW MY LIVE BUG-CHASING EXPERIENCE...

Before I give you the list of my plug-ins which is quite long, I'm just thinking that normally if the 5.0b version of Sound Forge finally worked on my computer with my plug-ins, that may mean that you already found where the problem was and found a way to make it work.

Here is the error message I had everytime I launched Sound Forge 5.0, during the plug-in scanning process (translated in english for you):

An exception has occured when trying to execute "C:\PROGRA~1\SONICF~2\SOUNDF~1.0\FRGKRN.dll,_SfPlugIn_Grovel_@16-1 Sonic_Foundry_Grovel_Event" [OK]

This bug was removed with the 5.0b version of SoundForge.

Now here is the message I get when trying to launch Acid for the first time:

An error occured during the current operation. An Exception has occured. [OK] [Details >>]

When clicking on the "Details" button, I get these informations:

VSTadapter
Exception 0xC0000005 (access violation) READ:0x0 IP:0x2A115F5
In Module 'VSTADA~1.DLL' at Address 0x2A10000 + 0x15F5
Thread: Plug-in Grovel ID=0xDB8 Stack=0x6F000-0x70000
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=001b EIP=02a115f5 EFLGS=00010206
EBX=00000000 SS=0023 ESP=0006f788 EBP=0006f7a8
ECX=00000000 DS=0023 ESI=0068a150 FS=003b
EDX=0068a148 ES=0023 EDI=0068a148 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
02A115F5: 8B 10 51 FF 52 14 83 C4 ..Q.R...
02A115FD: 04 8B 45 E8 8B 88 EC 00 ..E.....
Stack Dump:
0006F788: 00000000
0006F78C: 010A14CC 010A0000 + 14CC
0006F790: 0068A148 00680000 + A148
0006F794: 0006F7B4 00030000 + 3F7B4
0006F798: 02A117EB 02A10000 + 17EB (VSTADA~1.DLL)
0006F79C: 0006F808 00030000 + 3F808
0006F7A0: 02A17C84 02A10000 + 7C84 (VSTADA~1.DLL)
0006F7A4: 00000002
0006F7A8: 0006F7B4 00030000 + 3F7B4
0006F7AC: 02A1256F 02A10000 + 256F (VSTADA~1.DLL)
0006F7B0: 0068A148 00680000 + A148
0006F7B4: 0006F7D4 00030000 + 3F7D4
0006F7B8: 02A1412D 02A10000 + 412D (VSTADA~1.DLL)
0006F7BC: 00000001
0006F7C0: 00000000
0006F7C4: 010A14CC 010A0000 + 14CC
> 0006F7C8: 02A1254E 02A10000 + 254E (VSTADA~1.DLL)
0006F7CC: 0068A148 00680000 + A148
0006F7D0: 0068A148 00680000 + A148
0006F7D4: 0006F818 00030000 + 3F818
> 0006F7D8: 007F7EA3 007E0000 + 17EA3 (acidk.dll)
- - -
0006FFF0: 00000000
0006FFF4: 00000000
0006FFF8: 01001171 01000000 + 1171 (RunDLL32.exe)
0006FFFC: 00000000

It seems to show that the "VST Adapter" plug-in is involved. It's a plug-in that allows to use VST plug-ins as DirectX ones. After this bug, Acid is launched and functions normally except that the DirectX plug-in list remains empty. At every relaunch, the bug doesn't occur anymore, but the DirectX list remains empty (except once where the following characters appeared in the plug-ins list : "Cµâw")...

Now that I'm taking time to try to describe and solve this issue, I'm going to try again after having uninstalled VSTadapter. Now I'm trying to reinstall Acid after having uninstalled it. I launch Acid right now... (...) (...) Scanning for audio plug-ins... It works! No crash. Then I'm going to check the DirectX list by clicking on "Insert an assignable FX"... NO! I get a bug message box and then the program crashes and gets closed by Windows 2000:

An error occured during the current operation. An Exception has occured. [OK] [Details >>]

Sonic Foundry ACID 3.0
Version 3.0 (Build 189)
Exception 0xC0000005 (access violation) READ:0x3 IP:0x445D34
In Module 'acid.exe' at Address 0x400000 + 0x45D34
Thread: GUI ID=0xCFC Stack=0x12E000-0x130000
Registers:
EAX=00000003 CS=001b EIP=00445d34 EFLGS=00050206
EBX=025a65e0 SS=0023 ESP=0012e6f8 EBP=0019dd70
ECX=0019dc50 DS=0023 ESI=0019dc50 FS=0038
EDX=0012e734 ES=0023 EDI=0012e850 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
00445D34: 8B 00 89 44 24 0C 68 24 ...D: 01 00 00 6A 01 FF 15 68 ...j...h
Stack Dump:
0012E6F8: 77E762E0 77E70000 + 62E0 (KERNEL32.DLL)
0012E6FC: 025A65E0 024B0000 + F65E0
0012E700: 00445992 00400000 + 45992 (acid.exe)
0012E704: 0019DC50 00130000 + 6DC50
0012E708: 0012E734 00030000 + FE734
0012E70C: 00000000
0012E710: 0012EA9C 00030000 + FEA9C
0012E714: 04F1DA38 04E00000 + 11DA38
0012E718: 00000000
0012E71C: 001E7AF0 00130000 + B7AF0
0012E720: 04F1DA38 04E00000 + 11DA38
0012E724: 0019DC50 00130000 + 6DC50
0012E728: 77E79A84 77E70000 + 9A84 (KERNEL32.DLL)
0012E72C: 0019DC50 00130000 + 6DC50
0012E730: 0019DC50 00130000 + 6DC50
0012E734: CB837C81
> 0012E880: 00593C9A 00400000 + 193C9A (acid.exe)
0012E884: 0012EB6D 00030000 + FEB6D
0012E888: 0012EB10 00030000 + FEB10
0012E88C: 0012E880 00030000 + FE880
0012E890: 0012E940 00030000 + FE940
> 0012E8A8: 77E16E6D 77E00000 + 16E6D (USER32.DLL)
> 0012E8B4: 77E16EC2 77E00000 + 16EC2 (USER32.DLL)
> 0012E8F8: 77E170C9 77E00000 + 170C9 (USER32.DLL)
> 0012E900: 0115FB62 01000000 + 15FB62 (acidk.dll)
0012E904: 0012E920 00030000 + FE920
> 0012E908: 0104C2A2 01000000 + 4C2A2 (acidk.dll)
0012E90C: 0012E944 00030000 + FE944
> 0012E910: 0115FB60 01000000 + 15FB60 (acidk.dll)
0012E914: 000003E9
0012E918: 00000000
0012E91C: 000003E9
> 0012E920: 0104C2EC 01000000 + 4C2EC (acidk.dll)
- - -
0012FFF0: 00000000
0012FFF4: 00000000
0012FFF8: 00587114 00400000 + 187114 (acid.exe)
0012FFFC: 00000000

Well after all, maybe it's not only VSTadapter's fault! At the second relaunch, Acid proposes -again- an empty list of DirectX effects... Finally, I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling Acid three times : no improvement, the crash sometimes didn't occur when adding an assignable FX but occured when clicking on FX bus on the master channel, AND STILL NO PLUG-IN AVAILABLE!

Please help me and the other users who had the same problems : fix that in the 3.0b version of Acid you're working on, and release it quickly! Thanks...

Subject:My Acid Bug-Chasing Experience PART II > FOR JENN & THE SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: jlourau

Date:5/18/2001 8:22:02 PM

In the previous message, I forgot to include my DirectX plug-in list. If you don't know what I'm talking about, PLEASE REFER TO THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE.

DirectX Plug-In list (as displayed by Sound Forge 5.0b in the Plug-In Explorer found in the Plug-In Chainer, so some of them are Sound-Forge-exclusive, especially the ones not mentionning the brand name):

Acoustic Mirror
Amplitude Modulation
Antares Auto-Tune Plugin
ATI MPEG Audio Encoder
Cakewalk FX Compressor/Gate
Cakewalk FX Dynamics Processor
Cakewalk FX Expander/Gate
Cakewalk FX Limiter
Cakewalk FX Pitch Shifter
Cakewalk FX Stereo Chorus
Cakewalk FX Stereo Delay
Cakewalk FX Stereo EQ
Cakewalk FX Stereo Flanger
Cakewalk FX Stereo Reverb
Cakewalk FX Time/Pitch Stretch
Cakewalk FX2 Amp Sim Lite
Cakewalk FX3 SoundStage
CFX 2-band EQ
CFX Chorus
CFX Delay/Echo
CFX Flanger
CFX Reverb
Chorus
Click and Crackle Removal
Clipped Peak Restoration
CyberLink Audio Decoder
dB ProComp
DeNoiser
Distortion
ExpressFX Amplitude Modulation
ExpressFX Chorus
ExpressFX Delay
ExpressFX Distortion
ExpressFX Dynamics
ExpressFX Equalization
ExpressFX Flange/Wah-Wah
ExpressFX Graphic EQ
ExpressFX Noise Gate
ExpressFX Reverb
ExpressFX Stutter
ExpressFX Time Stretch
Flange/Wah-Wah
FreeFilter
fusion:FILTER
fusion:VINYL
Gapper/Snipper
Graphic Dynamics
Graphic EQ
Hyperprism-DX AutoPan
Hyperprism-DX Band Reject
Hyperprism-DX Bandpass
Hyperprism-DX Bass Maximizer
Hyperprism-DX Chorus
Hyperprism-DX Compressor
Hyperprism-DX Echo
Hyperprism-DX Flanger
Hyperprism-DX Frequency Shifter
Hyperprism-DX Hall Reverb
Hyperprism-DX Harmonic Exciter
Hyperprism-DX Highpass
Hyperprism-DX HyperVerb(TM)
Hyperprism-DX Limiter
Hyperprism-DX Lowpass
Hyperprism-DX More Stereo
Hyperprism-DX M-S Matrix
Hyperprism-DX Noise Gate
Hyperprism-DX Pan
Hyperprism-DX Phaser
Hyperprism-DX Pitch Changer
Hyperprism-DX Quasi-Stereo
Hyperprism-DX Ring Modulator
Hyperprism-DX Room Reverb
Hyperprism-DX Single Delay
Hyperprism-DX Sonic Decimator(TM)
Hyperprism-DX Stereo Dynamics
Hyperprism-DX Tremolo
Hyperprism-DX Tube/Tape Saturation
Hyperprism-DX Vibrato
Hyperprism-DX Vocoder
Magneto
ME Compressor
ME FreeFilter
ME LoudnessMaximizer
ME PhaseScope
ME Spectralizer
ME SpectroGraph
Multi-Band Dynamics
Multi-Tap Delay
Noise Gate
Noise Reduction
Opcode fusion:VOCODE
PanHandler
Q-Metric
QuadraFuzz
RAVISENT MPEG Decoder
RBC Voice Tweaker
Realizer Pro 1.0
Restoration-NR
Scrollworks Peak Slammer
Simple Delay
Smooth/Enhance
Software CineMaster(TM) DVD
SPL De-Esser
Time Stretch
Vibrato
Vinyl Restoration
Wave Hammer
Wavelab EQ-1
Waves C1
Waves C1 Compressor
Waves C1 Gate
Waves C1+
Waves C1-Comp
Waves DeEsser
Waves Doppler
Waves Enigma
Waves IDR
Waves L1-Ultramaximizer+
Waves MaxxBass
Waves MetaFlanger
Waves MondoMod
Waves Q10-Paragraphic EQ
Waves Q1-Paragraphic EQ
Waves Q2-Paragraphic EQ
Waves Q3-Paragraphic EQ
Waves Q4-Paragraphic EQ
Waves Q6-Paragraphic EQ
Waves Q8-Paragraphic EQ
Waves RCL
Waves REQ 2 bands
Waves REQ 4 bands
Waves REQ 6 bands
Waves S1-MS Matrix
Waves S1-No Shuffler
Waves S1-StereoImager
Waves S1-StereoImager+
Waves SuperTap 2-tap Mod
Waves SuperTap 6-tap Mod
Waves TrueVerb
Waves UltraPitch 3-Voice
Waves UltraPitch 6-Voice
Waves UltraPitch Shift

Good luck Sonic Foundry... I hope to be able to use Acid (3.0b?) with all the plug-ins soon!

Subject:FOR JENN & THE SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: jlourau

Date:5/21/2001 7:32:47 AM

Hi,
Following Sonic Foundry's information request about what seems to be a plug-ins bug, I've taken lots of time to write the two previous messages in this thread with all the available details. I'm pretty sure this will be of some help to the programmers, so I'd be very glad to have an official answer about it from Sonic Foundry, and to be reassured that the next version of Acid (3.0b) will feature a bugfix for that as Sound Forge 5.0b did.

Subject:RE: FOR JENN & THE SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: SonicJG

Date:5/21/2001 12:33:00 PM

Thanks--we'll investigate this further. If you could help a bit further by letting us know which VST Adapter you've been using on your system, it'd be much appreciated. There are a number of different versions of VST adapters from FXpansion(Amulet), and SpinAudio.

Thanks again,
Joel

Subject:RE: FOR JENN & THE SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: jlourau

Date:5/21/2001 12:58:51 PM

OK.
Well is there a mail address where I could send you the informations without disturbing the forum?

About vstAdapter, it was a 0.3 beta version, and I don't remember there was a brand name, that was a free download. But as you can read in my report, vstAdapter wasn't the real cause of the problem. Now that I've uninstalled it, the problem remains the same...

Subject:RE: FOR THE SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: jlourau

Date:5/22/2001 9:08:07 AM

Is SonicJG or SonicJL here?
If yes, my answer (and new question) is my previous message. ;)

Subject:RE: FOR THE SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: SonyJennL

Date:5/22/2001 2:41:17 PM

One more thing for you to try- since you are crashing on your plugin scan at the beginning- look at the gray box which lists which plug in is being looked at. Most likely it will pause or halt at the plugin causing difficulty. The name of the particular plugin would be helpful.

ALso, thank you for your help in troubleshooting this problem. Rest assured- we are looking into this.
Thanks.

Subject:RE: FOR THE SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: jlourau

Date:5/22/2001 5:46:09 PM

You're welcome, it's my duty to help you conceive a better (and working) Acid 3.0 (from what I've read in this forum, it should be fastened a little bit too) :)

About the plug-in that may be displayed a bit longer just before the crash, I'm reinstalling the beta version right now. Well this time when I launched Acid 3.0 for the first time, as since I uninstalled vstAdapter 0.3 beta, plug-in scan happens apparently with no problem and no crash (so that may indicate that vstAdapter was causing the crash). BUT since then, the plug-in list remains empty, and the crash occurs half of the time when trying to add an assignable fx or a bus fx (not all the time, randomly it seems, and when it works, it just gives an empty list of plug-ins). I already indicated that in the long previous message. If you take the time to read it, you'll see that everything is clearly described. (I run Win 2000 if that can be of any help, the rest is standard, Pentium III 733MHz, 256Mb, I hope it'll be enough to run Acid 3.0b!) By the way, you really don't wanna give away your mail address!...

Below is what I obtained when I got this Exception Crash when trying to insert an effect.

Exception 0xC0000005 (access violation) READ:0x121 IP:0x445D00
In Module 'acid.exe' at Address 0x400000 + 0x45D00
Thread: GUI ID=0x5E0 Stack=0x12E000-0x130000
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=001b EIP=00445d00 EFLGS=00050202
EBX=025b65e0 SS=0023 ESP=0012e7b4 EBP=77e762e0
ECX=00000001 DS=0023 ESI=00000001 FS=0038
EDX=0012e7f0 ES=0023 EDI=0012e90c GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
00445D00: 8B 81 20 01 00 00 8D A9 .. .....
00445D08: 20 01 00 00 85 C0 75 17 .....u.
Stack Dump:
0012E7B4: 77E762E0 77E70000 + 62E0 (KERNEL32.DLL)
0012E7B8: 025B65E0 024C0000 + F65E0
0012E7BC: 00445992 00400000 + 45992 (acid.exe)
0012E7C0: 00000001
0012E7C4: 0012E7F0 00030000 + FE7F0
0012E7C8: 00000000
0012E7CC: 0012EB58 00030000 + FEB58
0012E7D0: 04D64C98 04D50000 + 14C98
0012E7D4: 00000000
0012E7D8: 001F50C0 00130000 + C50C0
0012E7DC: 04D64C98 04D50000 + 14C98
0012E7E0: 77E048AE 77E00000 + 48AE (USER32.DLL)
0012E7E4: 008C4250 00850000 + 74250
0012E7E8: FFFFFFEB
0012E7EC: 00000001
0012E7F0: CB837C81
> 0012E920: 77F822D2 77F80000 + 22D2 (ntdll.dll)
> 0012E93C: 77FB9045 77F80000 + 39045 (ntdll.dll)
> 0012E940: 77F822F0 77F80000 + 22F0 (ntdll.dll)
> 0012E964: 77E16E6D 77E00000 + 16E6D (USER32.DLL)
> 0012E970: 77E16EC2 77E00000 + 16EC2 (USER32.DLL)
> 0012E9B4: 77E170C9 77E00000 + 170C9 (USER32.DLL)
> 0012E9BC: 0115FB62 01000000 + 15FB62 (acidk.dll)
0012E9C0: 0012E920 00030000 + FE920
> 0012E9C4: 0104C2A2 01000000 + 4C2A2 (acidk.dll)
0012E9C8: 0012EA00 00030000 + FEA00
> 0012E9CC: 0115FB60 01000000 + 15FB60 (acidk.dll)
0012E9D0: 000003E9
0012E9D4: 00000000
0012E9D8: 000003E9
> 0012E9DC: 0104C2EC 01000000 + 4C2EC (acidk.dll)
0012E9E0: 00B750C8 00B70000 + 50C8
0012E9E4: 000003E9
0012E9E8: 00000004
0012E9EC: 0012EA00 00030000 + FEA00
> 0012EA18: 77E8DCBE 77E70000 + 1DCBE (KERNEL32.DLL)
> 0012EA1C: 004460F3 00400000 + 460F3 (acid.exe)
- - -
0012FFF0: 00000000
0012FFF4: 00000000
0012FFF8: 00587114 00400000 + 187114 (acid.exe)
0012FFFC: 00000000

Subject:FOR THE SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: jlourau

Date:5/26/2001 12:43:42 PM

So Sonic Foundry, based on what I've described, have you found why it's not working? It is very strange that, without vstAdapter, there is no crash during the plug-ins scan, but there is still no plug-in useable and it sometimes crashes when adding assignable fx or bus fx.

Subject:FOR THE SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: jlourau

Date:6/8/2001 7:24:12 PM

When is the fixed 3.0b version of Acid planned for a release? All the users with those crash bugs are waiting for it, and it didn't take such a long time with Sound Forge 5.0b

Subject:RE: FOR THE SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: jlourau

Date:6/10/2001 7:24:15 PM

It would be nice if finally the Sonic Foundry team tells us when Acid 3.0b (fixed version of Acid 3.0 that doesn't crash) is released.... Anyone here with the answer, Sonic Foundry guys? Sound Forge 5.0b just took a week to get done in order to solve the same kind of problems!

Subject:RE: My Acid Bug-Chasing Experience > FOR SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: mazzo

Date:11/15/2001 12:40:00 PM

Well, no. I have the "GROVEL" problem with Sound Forge 5.0 e .....

Subject:RE: My Acid Bug-Chasing Experience > FOR SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: PHATDRUMS

Date:11/15/2001 1:00:41 PM

this is from an oldpost because the plugin crash
still happens and now were on 3c i can run songs all night but put more than 3 plugins (even sf own )
lockups not full crashes occur i have loads of ram
1gig and v fast processor so i am perplexed
as v 2.0 was v stable and runs as many fx (all 8 at once no prob)as i wanted ! any one else no how to start it

Subject:RE: My Acid Bug-Chasing Experience > FOR SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: Rockitglider

Date:11/15/2001 1:28:07 PM

Hello,
Are you using 3rd party plug-in VST emulators?

Rockit

Subject:RE: My Acid Bug-Chasing Experience > FOR SONIC FOUNDRY TEAM

Reply by: jack_freud

Date:1/14/2002 10:23:54 PM

I'm getting this too! I'm trying to run Windows XP, and I wonder if it's due to the Waves NPP plug-ins. I have NOT installed any VST adapters (yet), so I know it's not that.