Don't do what I do...

Since you're getting by with the 2600 and a decent video card, I'd lean toward Socket 2011. Haswell won't give you six or more cores. Like the General Motors executive said about the V8 compared to smaller turbo motors; "There ain't no replacement for displacement."

That said, don't do what I do.

And look what happened to General Motors :)

They are doing pretty well. I'd like to have one of those Corvettes with the V8.
JJK

Actually despite scant cable and network news coverage of the story, General Motors returned to the S&P 100 and 500 indices on June 6, replacing H.J. Heinz Co.

A landmark achievement for the company that was booted from the index after filing for bankruptcy four years ago. Of course at that time the story got massive coverage.

John

The hex cores are both Sandy Bridge architecture, which is two generations behind the Haswell based 4770K. So while the hexes have 50% more cores than the quad, the IPC in video editing for the quad Haswell will be 20-25% higher.

In my opinion if the generation gap was just one, say Sandy to Ivy I'd go with the hex. But with a two generation difference the real-world performance gap is just not enough to justify the added expense of the hex cores and socket 2011.

In addition Haswell has a very sizable advantage in single threaded apps or apps that don't use more than 4 cores very effectively. So while the hex may be a little faster in some apps, the quad Haswell will be faster in quite a few apps.

I'll provide an example from the Anandtech Haswell review. In Cinebench 10 multithreaded test the 4770K is 37% faster than the 3930K. So the real world multithreaded result is that the 3930K is only 6% faster than the 4770K

On the CS4 Artist Retouch test the 4770K is actually 16% faster than the 3930K.

If you really need 6 cores I'd wait for Ivy Bridge E.

- Mark

I wonder which car got them back up, the V8 or the more economical ones?

none - the bailout did it

"[I]In my opinion if the generation gap was just one, say Sandy to Ivy I'd go with the hex. [/I]"

With an i7-3770k, that's my position. I said Socket 2011, making a huge leap that Intel won't change the socket when the 22 nm processors are announced for that platform.

I sold my last V8 in 1987 to a fellow who was rebuilding a Boss 351 Mustang.

I think Intel will stay with socket 2011 for Ivy E. But there will be a new socket for Haswell E due to the integrated on chip voltage regulator with Haswell.

I'm still running an overclocked Sandy 2500K so the move to a 4770K will be a pretty big jump in performance.

Great discussion, y'all! Pretty much aligns with what I've researched....

I'll probably go with the 4770K and push it a bit...

I bet the day I order the 4770K and other parts for the build will be the day before Intel releases the 3980K 8 core beast...

...

Well, getting very close to pulling the trigger...here's what I'm looking at:

Intel i7 4930k (will Overclock at some point)
ASUS Sabertooth x79 LGA 2011 MoBo
16GB G.Skill DDR3 PC3-17000 Ripjaw Z Series Quad Channel 4 X 4Gb
Intel Liquid Cooling
EVGA GeForce 580 (carry over from current build)
Sammy 840 Pro 256 (OS + programs)
TOSHIBA HDTS225XZSWA RT 256Gb(Working media)
Various 4TB storage drives
Windows 8 ???
Carry over PS & DVD from current build)

What do you guys and gals think?

Should I stay with Win 7 or go into the rabbit hole with Win 8 (8.1 by time I actually build this thang)?


Will be editing mostly GoPro Hero3 Black and RX100 MII MTS files (1080p)

As always, much obliged for your consideration...

...skeeter

I love the sabertooth boards, Gskill memory, Samsung SSD's I have all those and have had not one bit of trouble.

I have win 8 on my edit computer ( on a separate SSD ) and it is great with the exception of the Metro interface. (which is not so bad once you get use to it)

I find it is faster then Win 7, and it is the future no matter what the user might want.
It has been pretty stable for me and I run all my software on it.

I did have some render problems but not sure if it was the project or Win 8, the same project did render in 7 though.

On the last several projects though I have had no trouble at all.

Paul B

From my trial of Windows 8.1, I would go with that after the October release. It seems to me they have fixed most of the items that most people (including me) thought were issues.

I'm not going back and upgrade both my Windows 7 Professional machines, however.

Thanks!

I'm thinking now of going with a Samsung EVO SSD for the OS and programs now.....

And Win 8.1...should be a fun build...

...

@skeeter123: I finished building a 4. gen i7 4930 machine a week ago - and it works great.
Used a MSI X79A-GD45 Plus motherboard because it has 4 RAM channels and 3 full 16 bit PCIe channels (for future use).
The machine has a 256 GB OCZ Vertex 4 SSD for Windows (Page file and TEMP on a separate HDD) - and a 500 GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD for current projects and media - plus 3 HDDs (3 + 3 + 2 TB) for more media, for output and for internal backups.

Experience:
Vegas starts lightning fast.
Projects open stunningly fast.
Rendering from timelines with full HD AVCHDs to my previewing format (MainConcept 1280x720 25p at 10 Mbps) is up to 5 times real speed (10 min project is rendered in 2-3 minutes) - and my final delivery format MainConcept 1920x1080 50i at some 31 Mbps is rendered faster than real time - depending on FX's etc.

I was quite happy with my Mac Pro with 2 x Xeon quad cores for many years - but this 4930 machine beats all I ever used.

Could probably be Oc'ed - when rendering at over 90 % CPU usage the temperature hardly comes over 50 Celsius with the Corsair water cooler - but I do not need that possible extra speed - and I just go for bedrock stability.
Actually Vegas build 726 seems to work very well with this machine and a newly installed Windows 7 64bit Ultimate. I can insert and undo insert large blocks of AVCHDs without any hiccups - very soon I'm gonna forget about saving and renaming the projects every now and then :- )

Note: only few Mobos will run with a 4. gen CPU out of the box - you will have to install a 3. gen CPU and flash the Mobo with the newest Bios. Here I used couple of days for solving this unexpected "challenge" together with the dealer.

Hi, Einar!

Excellent information and I thank you. Sweet build for sure! I don't plan to OC for a while. Like you, I need rock-solid stability....

Is this with the Nvidia GTX 650 I saw in your profile?

Your point about mobos, newer processors and bios is a good one. I see the Sabertooth supports it with a newer bios and I don't know what bios will be on-board when I get it. This could be a problem since the only spare processor I have is a LGA1155 2600k...hmmm...

Edit: I just saw that the Sabertooth X79 can flash bios without a processor....this could be interesting....

Again, thanks for your detailed and VERY helpful response!

Jjkizak, I have an old '69 Vette with the mildest version of the 427 that year (five versions of the 427, three of the 350). Haven't driven it in 15 years but one of these days I will get out the tools and get it running again.

I am amazed at how the stone-age pushrod (pushrod!) V8 has been tweaked over the years to produce ever-increasing horsepower. But as for looks, I just hate the rear end of the latest Vette. The previous body shape, by contrast, was in my opinion the closest thing to heaven that man has ever created with four wheels.

Though the Bugatti Veyron comes close.

EDIT: Skeeter, I don't know if you've ever overclocked, but in my experience one can get a significant boost in performance and STILL maintain stability with overclocking. The system I'm typing this on has been boosted about 15% and yet runs Vegas renders effortlessly. The trick is to boost until failure, then back off a bit and run 24 hours of Prime95 and Memtest. Even compared to Vegas rendering, Prime95 is just brutal and if the temps stay happy and the system just sits there and cranks Prime95 data all day, it's definitely stable.

I'm thinking the Jaguar XF wouldn't look that ugly in my driveway.

I still have a motor with pushrods.

@skeeter123: Yes, for now I have a 650 installed. As expected it slows down rendering speed significantly compared to using such a fast hex-core CPU "only".

One of these days I may install a 560 that I have lying - but I do not expect much.

Btw. for MainConcept mpeg2 rendering it looks as if this new PC has a flat optimum at about 8 rendering threads and 1000 MB Preview RAM.

How interesting that the Sabertooth has a button where you can flash your bios directly from an USB stick using the standby power.
What a great step in motherboard development.
For other users planning a new PC with an Intel 4. gen. CPU check this description on the Asus homepage: http://event.asus.com/2012/mb/USB_BIOS_Flashback_GUIDE/
unfortunately I did not know about this ASUS feature when I ordered my new MSI mobo.
It could have saved a couple of days of fiddling and cursing and some driving... even if that was not so bad in a XF, however.

Einar, riredale,

Yep. I've been OCing for many years....as processors allow. Precisely my process and I hit it again with a linpack test as well.... I'll take them to thermal throttle and then back off...This will be my first liquid-cooled affair...

I've further read that the bios flashback doesn't always work, but we'll see....I'll update this thread if it works...

..EDIT: Added thermal throttle...

Fact:
Our 3.5 year-old overclocked 6-core 980X workstations with GTX 570s & RAID outperform many newer 3930K & 4930K systems that utilize newer GPUs...

Reasons:
>>Vegas 12 does not fully utilize the CPU during GPU renders.
>>The GTX 570/580 perform better than newer Nvidia or AMD GPUs

Mixed feelings...
>>I am sad that Moore's Law is dead - we can no longer double our rendering speed every year without spending big bucks for dual Xeons...
>>I am happy that I have not had to spend money on hardware. I purchased our GTX 570s for just $70 apiece and that's the only "upgrade" we have needed to do in 2 years!

@TheRhino

+1!

That is what many dont want to understand, VP 11 & 12 just work best and fastest with 560Ti up to 570/580, not 590. Not even the Fermi based Quadro will work as fast and Keppler based models are far behind. It is however a very sad thing that newer cards are either not as well supported by VP or the Nvidia drivers are written in a way no longer supporting it fully but rather geared for gaming. Having said that, the Keppler based Quadros are not any better with their "professional" drivers.

The main reason I bought GTX570s is because SCS tested VP11's GPU acceleration with it and I was confident that it would work and it does.