Subject:Where's the chords?

Posted by: DaveE9th

Date:11/30/2001 4:34:14 PM

So far, I am not too pleased with a product that is based only in Major chords. I tried to put together the song "Secret Love" but was in disbelief when I found out that no minor chords where available. Without diminished, 7ths, augmenteds, etc--it's like trying to drive a car without a steering wheel. I sincerely hope someone listens to complaining customers and does something about this. I am into country, jazz and swing. I am really surprised that much more is not available in these areas. I like Acid, but what good is it if I have to avoid all my favorite songs which contain diminished chords and minors. Heck, even a simple three chord country song requires 7ths for passing chords. Am I missing something here, how do I find a diminished chord for one of my Hawaiian favorites "Song of the Islands?"

Anybody?

Subject:RE: Where's the chords?

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:11/30/2001 5:19:19 PM

The whole Acid loop world is mostly oriented around modal dance music/hip-hop and doesn't support any interesting chord progressions beyond a little jazz change or two for the hip-hop grooves. I agree, this lack of chordal variety truly sucks and limits the product greatly.

Subject:RE: Where's the chords?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:12/1/2001 12:06:27 PM

You could just duplicate a particular track and adjust its pitch. With both tracks together, you can literally create the chords you want this way (and the tracks together make the overall project sound fuller and thicker). You can also change individual events on a track in the same manner. You, of course, have to know your music theory.

Why not just record the diminshed chord(s) yourself?

See more info on this issue here:

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/support/SupportProduct.asp?FamilyID=2&Family=ACID&TopicID=2&DetailID=137

Iacobus

Subject:RE: Where's the chords?

Reply by: Ted_H

Date:12/4/2001 2:30:14 PM

You could record your own loops using any chords you wish, and then select "Don't Transpose" in the file properties.

Ted

Subject:RE: Where's the chords?

Reply by: pwppch

Date:12/4/2001 4:34:09 PM

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish...

ACID is not about making "covers" of songs you like.

If you are remixing existing songs, then you have to fill in or change keys on your events as you see fit or need.

If you have something else in mind, then perhaps you could explain what it is you are trying to do.

Peter

Subject:RE: Where's the chords?

Reply by: firstfry

Date:12/4/2001 7:03:37 PM

i dont get this..if you want to use acid..you should be a musician,i hear complaints about acid but i dont see it..it must be that i dont loop paint...hmmmm..i actually play the instruments..cubase or fruityloops if ya want to paint...acid works great eccept for the gliching when i up or down the volume slider..or effects sliders...besides that..what an awsome program

fry

Subject:RE: Where's the chords?

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:12/4/2001 7:19:39 PM

Ultimately, no loop-based product is designed for this--it's a midi thang, plain and simple. Lots of products address this standard song approach using midi files. It doesn't make sense in loops unless you're a glutton for punishment.

However, Acid loops are still governed by the dance/house/hip-hop/electronica mafia and it's really tough to find enough basic rock, country, blues, jazz and other grooves that you can build from. Not talking chord sets, just good non-rave/hip-hop beats. Maybe a simple bass line in there that you could transpose around some simple changes. There are some, but a very slim and small variety compared to the vast library of dance beats, and exotic/world beats. Need way more alternative beats for non-ecstasy-fueled genres.

Subject:RE: Where's the chords?

Reply by: MyST

Date:12/4/2001 7:39:24 PM

"Need way more alternative beats for non-ecstasy-fueled genres."
I second that Maruuk.
Blues, Jazz, Classical, etc.

Subject:RE: Where's the chords?

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:12/4/2001 8:56:05 PM

Yeah, for instance, I got the whole orchestra series, but it's done in Russia and the whole series has an odd, Eastern Euro, dated sound. Even the 20th century classical stuff. This was a great idea, just needs to be done by a superior composer(s)/arrangers who have more eclectic chops--and performed better. There are also some nasty loop glitches that prevent seamless connections. And the "On the Jazz Tip" CD is mostly acid jazz, no swing or bebop grooves to speak of. I haven't heard the semi-bundled "Rock" disc from SF--anybody heard it?

Subject:RE: Where's the chords?

Reply by: Mus

Date:12/5/2001 1:15:56 PM

Yeah I agree about On The Jazz Tip - I expected at least one swing Ride cymbal groove - er, like Jazz basics. It's there but has a bass all over it! What the *&%*&^&* hell use is that? In fact what use are 100 Complete Beats loops? - can't transpose 'em for different sections - I don't want to loop them for 10 minutes either. And the percussionists are still in there recording long after everyone else went home.

Same with R&B Drums Groove Spectrum - billed as a history of the genre - hardly.

I'm sure I'll use these disks for something but they're wide of the mark for what I wanted and not worth $100 here in the UK. At least I've got three copies of the SF demo loops as well now - great, but they give no guidance as to what's really on the discs!

Hey Maruuk where do you get your Jazz beats?

M

Subject:RE: Where's the chords?

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:12/5/2001 2:08:33 PM

Far as I know, "On the Jazz Tip" is it for loop discs. The genre is crying out for some deep, modular swingin' "Blue Note"-style grooves with the bass broken out separate and some little piano comps and all. Be super useful for film scoring and all kinds of stuff.

Subject:RE: Where's the chords?

Reply by: Mus

Date:12/5/2001 4:23:03 PM

I agree - check out Soundscan Vol 08 - Jazz & Latino Drum Loops. I found this at http://www.timespace.com/ UK distributor but it may be elsewhere. It may have better Jazz loops in .WAV format.

I bought Jazz Tip instead.

Regards

M