Cinescore stops at 32bit.

Vegas12 Starts at 64bit.

You do the Math!

Yup, one of my biggest sadnesses about SCS's strategy over the previous 3 years is the sloughing-off of that remarkable RF music program.

You can still use it in standalone mode AND get the WAVs into VP12. But hey, that's not the same.

SCS? What have we got to look forward to? Please.....

Grazie

Cinescore and ACID are very different beasts, the former providing a quick way to generate bg music without needing much expertise, while ACID gives enormously greater flexibility if you know what you're doing. Using Cinescore stand alone (after you have your video cut) provides an extra track for those spot cymbal clashes (etc) which effects have to be searched out when using Cinescore as a plugin to Vegas, but generally I find the music library pretty limited. I use ACID for building foley effects and for building bg music from samples, but my musical skills are far too limited for me to use ACID to anything like its capabilities.
VASST has a series of music pieces and pads that I use for building music and creating tracks with these is less demanding than creating just using ACID samples. And then Harkproductions and Twisted Tracks have large libraries, some of whose tracks I've employed.

Sound Dogs has a wide selection of music, FX etc.
Tried that?
Good if you are looking for background of music to create a mood.
Cinescore was OK, but I agree, limiting.
I also have some of the Digital Juice library.

Cinescore is long deadl and will not be updated by SCS. I use SmartSound, it always was better.

But that lady keeps say SmartSound over and over.
Very subliminal, Terje!

"If not what are some other similar music creation programs that will work?"

Another vote for Smartsound, before there was Cinescore it was always highliy recommended by many here, so I bought it.
It isn't technically music "creation", it simply uses some voodoo to match the length of a precomposed piece of music to your video. You also get a choice of arrangements. You can also take the "blocks" and assemble something sort of unique using it. The Multilayer libraries also let you exports as tracks to then mix in Vegas. Their library of music is quite extensive which from the get go put it way ahead of Cinescore and they add around one new title twice per month.

If you want to buy production music I can highly recommend Stock20, it's almost all real instruments which is a pleasant change. From time to time they have specials, which I took advantage of to buy their entire library for $250 which was quite a bargain. Each tune comes in a choice of lengths and some include different arrangements and it all sounds cinema quality.

Be very careful with the cheap libraries, there's been a considerable amount of angst over many of them with YouTube. The original copyright owners are claiming royalties. I've not had this problem with anything from Smartsound or Stock20.

Bob.

Cinescore will not run as a Vegas 12 plugin as elaborated by others.. However, it can be run stand alone in Win/64.

tom

Is Smartsound a Plugin to Vegas? CS was, and still is in Vegas 32bit.

Can you create Markers SS for reference to use back in Vegas? CS could and can in 32bit.

Do you get an option to create creative audio intensity from an almost infinite variable selection? You can in CS.

Can you separate out and down to the beat: drums, bass and so on and remix and remix? CS allows this.

You must be able to view the Video playing against the Smartsound audio stream? CS allows this.

Cinescore still IS a remarkable piece of software.

Do I want Son-Of-CS - you betcha!

Grazie

"Is Smartsound a Plugin to Vegas?"

No but it is for other NLEs. It would be great if it did with Vegas. There seems to have been a move in that direction before CS came along and the whole thing possibly got ugly behind the scenes.

"Can you create Markers SS for reference to use back in Vegas?"

No.

"Do you get an option to create creative audio intensity from an almost infinite variable selection?"

To some extent yes. You can change tempo within limits, select from a number of arrangments.

"Can you separate out and down to the beat: drums, bass and so on and remix and remix?"

The extent to which you get separate tracks in Smartsound varies depending on the tune. Generally drums and bass, yes. Of course some of their tunes don't have drums or bass.

"You must be able to view the Video playing against the Smartsound audio stream?"

You can certainly do that with Smartsound, render out a reference video from Vegas.
Bring that into SS, play it out, add Markers, go back adjust mood, length, arrangment, tempo, add hits. Then either export as a complete mix or export as tracks for Vegas, SS list Vegas as an export target.

TBH, not having any musical skills at all there are features in SS that I've never delved into, it could be even more capable than I realise...or need.

"Cinescore still IS a remarkable piece of software."

That's true but it filled a different niche to SS. SS requires less understanding of music for you to just get the job done. CS was promoted as halfway between that and Acid or employing a composer and musicians. Today there are other choices that are far more capable such as Native-Instruments, you really need deep pockets though, just a "simple" library of strings is over $2K if you want the full "cinematic" sound..

I bought CS and a few of the theme packs. Installed it, tried it out and never used it. SS was enough for what I need PLUS ever so much more music to choose from, from all over the world and growing and developing. Last couple of days they released SS for the iPhone.

I agree, it was a pity they had to kill off CS but at the same time it's very hard to see how it was ever going to have a big enough market to be economically viable. The problem was that it was a plugin for Vegas...only. That put a limit on it's potential market. SS works directly with Ppro and FCP, don't know about Avid. I think it even ships with some bundled systems. Regardless of which NLE is used SS can be used, it pays to be agnostic. The same was true of CS but it was never marketed that way.

Bob.

The manner in which CS died had me wondering if it had some confiicts with other Sony products including their music library. I really liked how "quick" it was, like Vegas over other NLE's.
JJK

[i]Cinescore will not run as a Vegas 12 plugin as elaborated by others.. However, it can be run stand alone in Win/64[//i]

I have a license for Cinescore in My Account/My Software. It came as a plug-in with Movie Studio. I still have the original disks when I bought Movie Studio boxed. But how can I get Cinescore to run stand-alone? Or do I have a license for a plug-in only?

ACID Studio isn't too bad once you get the hang of it. I've created some really pleasing music as well as some really dreadful stuff (hey, sounds like my videos!). Interface is a lot like Movie Studio or Vegas Pro. I have some musical ability so that helps. But ACID takes a lot of time for me, which takes away from video.

I could not and can not afford access to the various music libraries available.

I got Cinescore when it first came out. While an interesting product, I found it limited for what I was looking for.

A few years ago, I got Smart Sound at NAB. They had a special on the music disks. I find SS to be more flexible then CS. As stated by others, it can create music to order by time and other factors. The ability to use the 'blocks' to create your own sequence has been useful. The best part is the Stratus series which has multiple tracks. As stated, those can be adjusted in SS and / or exported separately and then imported in Vegas.

(For what it is worth, I was told that CS was infringing on SS pattens which may be part of why it is no longer available.)

Paul Masters

If your version of Cinescore came with VMS it is almost certainly not Cinescore, but Cinescore Studio.

One of the differences between Cinescore and Cinescore Studio was that only Cinescore could be run as a standalone product. Cinescore Studio could only be used as a plugin within VMS.

And, as has already been explained, it can only operate as a plugin in the 32-bit version of the hosts, which means you can't use Cinescore Studio with Vegas Pro 12 at all (though you should still be able to use it in the 32-bit version of VMS)..

(You can use the full version of Cinescore, if you have it, though only as a standalone alongside Vegas Pro 12 rather than as a plugin within it.)

Mark

Grazie, you seem to have found more flexibility in Cinescore than I did. Particularly that "almost infinite variable selection". Maybe I should have read the manual? But surely I did read it! Must delve a little deeper.

Thanks for the help.

I actually looked at SmartSound the other day, but didn't realize they had a desktop version. I did happen to notice that a friend of mine is one of their composers.

~Jay