Converting 25p footage to 24p

Davyd M wrote on 10/27/2012, 6:20 AM
I have a Sony VG20 and am based in Europe, so I can shoot 25p but not 24p. I'm thinking of getting a VG30 soon which will offer 24p also in Europe. Ideally I would like to use them together in a two camera set-up. Can anyone help with the following two questions:

(1) Can Vegas convert 25p to 24p so well that, if done correctly, there will be no discernible differences between shots originally done in 24p and those converted from 25p?

(2) Ahem...how do I convert it correctly?

I started using Vegas with Movie Studio 10, but got a free version of 11 with the camera. I've been thinking of going Pro for a while, but was scared off by tales of Pro 11's instability, and some people on here are saying similar things about Pro 12.

Grateful for any advice.

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farss wrote on 10/27/2012, 7:38 AM
(1) Yes. In fact shooting in Region 50 at 25fps may avoid certain issues
(2) Use Vegas to lower the frame rate from 25fps to 24fps while preserving the pitch of the audio. What happens is very simple, the video plays back 4% slower but no one will ever notice. Movies shot at 24fps are broadcast at 25fps in Region 50 and no one notices.

Bob.
Davyd M wrote on 10/27/2012, 7:53 AM
Hi, Bob, thanks for replying. But how do I do that? It's not a matter of just importing 25p material into a 24p project template, is it? What should I select to alter the frame rate "the right way", so to speak? And how do I preserve the audio pitch? I really do like those "imagine you were explaining to an intelligent eight year old" style explanations :-) Actually, the unintelligent eight year old template might even be better LOL.

With the "certain issues", are you referring to flicker caused by lights? I will probably have complete lighting control on the future project, and can avoid those kinds of lights (HMIs?) Or did you mean something else? I wouldn't have a problem shooting verything in 25p and then converting if I could have complete confidence in Vegas's conversion, and. more trickily, my ability to implement it correctly!
farss wrote on 10/27/2012, 1:47 PM
"What should I select to alter the frame rate "the right way", so to speak?"
Put 25fps clip into 25p project.
Switch T/L ruler to absolute frames.
Note duration of clip in frames
Change project to 23.97fps.
Ctl + Drag end of clip until it is the smae number of frames duration as noted previously.
Render out.

"And how do I preserve the audio pitch?"

Vegas shifts pitch by default, just make certain in the clips audio properties it is using the Elastique Pro method. In the early days of TV the pitch was allowed to shift as there wasn't the tech to even try yo fix it. People did notice but meh, they lived with it.

"With the "certain issues", are you referring to flicker caused by lights"

Yes, I have noticed rolling bands shooting 24p from iron ballasted fluro lights.
I've had a devil of a time in Region 60 land trying to shoot 50i.Those neon lights in Vegas, sodium vapor lights in Taiwan etc.

"I wouldn't have a problem shooting verything in 25p and then converting if I could have complete confidence in Vegas's conversion, and. more trickily, my ability to implement it correctly! "

It really is a trivial task. I'd also wager good money that having produced your movie in 25p you will never be asked for it in 24.000p or 23.970p.

Bob.
Marton wrote on 10/27/2012, 2:05 PM
Hi
I have a similar question:

My project is fullhd 50i upper field.
I record some footate with gopro cameras in 1080/29.97p
I like to interpret this footage as 25p, because slower motion is not a problem (nature).
So i right click on the event, choose properties, and here i disable resample, and set the playback rate to 0,834 (25/29,976)
But when i look the frames step by step at best (full) quality some frames are interlaced, some others are progressive (no horizontal lines). Why? The whole clip has motion.
Is this some bug, or normal? (i don't think so)

thanks
fordie wrote on 10/27/2012, 2:22 PM
If you have a copy of cineform HDlink you can use that to do any conversion.
it is much simpler to do and gives great results including maintaining audio pitch.

worth a look at.

john
Davyd M wrote on 10/29/2012, 3:43 AM
Bob - thanks for your detailed response, I'll have a go at this soon. Does this mean that each clip has to be done individually though? Bit of a drag.
farss wrote on 10/29/2012, 5:58 AM
"Does this mean that each clip has to be done individually though?"

If you wanted to edit your footage on a 24p timeline then yes.
There's no reason to do this though. Simply use a 25p project, make a 25p master.
If need be convert the 25p master to 24p.

Bob.


Davyd M wrote on 11/5/2012, 2:39 AM
Bob - thanks for your reply. But now you've got me confused. What do you mean by "master", a completely edited project on the timeline, or a rendered file or disc? And just how would I then convert whichever it is into 24p?