Subject:Can ACID record multitrack?

Posted by: Kane2ik

Date:11/21/2001 12:25:03 AM

I've been looking around and from what I heard Acid can't multitrack record..I heard that Vegas can..now I'm all confused because I was planning on getting a new soundcard and I don't know if I want to anymore..if anyone can help me out..it'd be a great help..thanx

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: Ted_H

Date:11/21/2001 8:19:37 AM

Multitrack recording basically means recording more than one track simultaneously. Since Acid can only record one track at a time, it would not be considered a true multitrack recorder. Vegas Audio and Vegas Video can record multiple tracks at the same time.

Ted

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:11/21/2001 11:38:04 AM

ACID can certainly record, but just like Ted said, it cannot record from multiple sources at the same time like Vegas Audio and Vegas Video can.

If this isn't an issue for you, go ahead and buy that spiffy soundcard that you want. (Why are you holding off on buying a soundcard because of this issue? Multiple inputs?) You could easily compile multiple takes of tracks done separately together anyway.

(FWIW, Vegas Audio 2 LE is included free with ACID Pro 3, which is not quite as powerful as the "full" version, but you can record up to 8 tracks simultaneously; a great way to get your feet wet.)

Iacobus

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:11/21/2001 4:51:04 PM

Kane--I'm assuming you record one track at a time, like most home recordists, and you want to know if you can stack up overdubs like a multitrack in Acid. The answer is yes and a big no. Technically you can within strict track number limitations depending on your system. Acid calls them "One Shots" and treats them like giant loops since it basically doesn't like long audio clips. SF bails out of this by saying, "Acid is not a multitrack application", but then they go lie in their info and say the product has "unlimited" audio tracks. It's a scam. It can handle a few, then you get sync and dropout problems. Guys will come in here and state they've got 64 tracks running simultaneously and all--don't believe 'em. SF has stated to me right in these pages you can get 4-5 audio tracks running at one time if you're lucky. Why bother?

Just go with Cakewalk's Plasma ($39) or Home Studio 2 ($39 on special now) which support Acid loops, have a synth, unlimited midi editing and tracking, and true unlimited multitrack audio. And they have DXi compatibility to add samplers or anything right inside as a plug-in. Try that with Acid!

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: Rockitglider

Date:11/21/2001 5:01:53 PM

What do you do, just sit in this forum waiting for questions that you can use to plug cakewalk products? Don't you have anything better to do?I guess your Cakewalk products aren't keeping you busy enough.
Oh Well

Pathetic if you ask me.
Oh wait you didn't ask me, Oh Well

Rockit

BTW: Acid Rocks

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: univalve

Date:11/21/2001 7:14:15 PM

Rockit - I feel your pain. :-) I don't get Maruuk's constant "Man, SF stuff blows ass, man! Get Cakewalk, it rocks!!!" It's some kind of software jihad.

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: MyST

Date:11/21/2001 8:37:27 PM

Maruuk certainly has made a name for himself! He thinks we all live here in a bubble I guess. Everyone here has probably checked out countless other audio software before (and since) purchasing Acid. Obviously we appreciate everything it has to offer, enough so that we bought it.
You're unhappy with Acid? Well, buy something else. What you're doing is the equivalent of going into a Honda dealership and telling everyone there Honda is crap and there is better elsewhere. What kind of responce do you expect to get? You have lost whatever credibility you might have had.
You're just an annoying Cakewalk billboard now!

Later.

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:11/22/2001 12:01:17 PM

Dear whiney Acidtoy babies: I feel your pain for being stuck in such a limited and outmoded product. Of course, you've totally and conveniently ignored the many posts in which I've stated Acid was a breakthrough product and was still the best environment for pure loop-based production. Of course, guys as intellectually dishonest and defensive as you couldn't acknowledge that, because your little anti-Cakewalk jihad would fall apart, much like multiple audio tracks in Acid.

What I've done is helped sincere musicians who come in here looking for practical solutions become aware of the VERY REAL limitations of Acid, and the misrepresentations SF makes RIGHT IN THE PRODUCT LITERATURE. Then make them aware of the extremely cost-effective alternatives from Steinberg/Propellerheads, Cakewalk, and others. If you guys had an ounce of integrity, you'd do the same. Maybe you attack dogs are closet SF employees trying to hawk this overbaked turkey to ususpecting tyros--that's certainly the attitude you project. Since you can't argue with my facts, you just attack the messenger and attempt character assasination on me ad hominem. Very nice people you are, I'm sure.

Perhaps you saw the poster yesterday who thanked me vociferously for turning him onto Plasma, because IT BEST SERVED HIS NEEDS. This must be a shocking concept to you weasels, actually helping a guy find the best product, instead of slavishly pushing the corporate line. If Reason would have helpred him most, or Nuendo or Logic Audio, I would have recommended that. It just turns out Cakewalk has some fantastic products at rock-bottom proces. Products which encompass full Acid-loop support and offer far more flexibility in every way.

Sorry your nasty little SF clique has its panties in a bunch over a sincere poster trying to help fellow musicians in need. What does that say about you guys that you're trying to drive me out? Good luck, you don't stand a chance. Good products rule. A lot of newbies waste a lot of time and money they can't afford on limited, buggy and inappropriate software. If you guys want to keep flogging your dead horse, you'll just have to make way for progress, even if SF waits 'til Spring to bring out an integrated prodct in 4.0.

And like I've stated many times--when they do I'll be the first one to applaud and recommend it--but only if it's significantly less buggy than 3.0c. Have a nice day. 8^>

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:11/22/2001 12:14:38 PM

BTW, in case you hatemongers doubt my success rate, here's a typical response to one of my helpful posts just yesterday. Enjoy!

Subject: RE: Can I ask a favor?
Posted by: jdeas
Date: 11/19/2001 4:50:23 PM

wow, that is really weird... the song i was looking to change was something i had made on a DreamStation soft synth that i found on some obscure shareware sight, and Cakewalk Plasma has it included... odd coincidence... Thank you very much!

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:11/22/2001 1:18:23 PM

I'll say it again: I don't want an integrated product. I like ACID just the way it is. You simply complicate things by including more and more features to the point that it becomes bloatware. I don't want a be-all, end-all solution, à la the way Sonar makes itself out to be.

I'll also say it again: ACID is what ACID does, loop-based music creation. Period. It's a focused tool that's part of a larger picture. (Sound Forge and Vegas Audio, anyone?) It just seems to me Cakewalk is trying to ride the coattails of SF's success with ACID. And since I'm not a Sonic Foundry employee, I can say that with objectivity.

On the same note, I'm all for anything that fosters competition between the two companies. Bring it on.

You obviously believe in the product, Maruuk, or you wouldn't be here. Am I correct in assuming this? However, your misdirected comments are hurtful and insulting, especially towards those who never insulted you in the first place. I am a musician and enthusiast, not an "Acidtoy baby". I'm just merely here to help out other SF software users with the product they have.

There is one thing I want everyone to know in this forum: Anyone that can help me get my exact musical ideas down to the letter (and I do mean to the letter) without getting in the way of my creativity has my allegiance. Guess who won it?

Iacobus

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:11/22/2001 2:21:06 PM

Dude, a lot of guys come in here frustrated because they can't add vocals, or edit midi, or add synths, or get the buzzing, clicking and dropouts out of their Acid product because Acid can't handle multitracks of audio or MP3's without freaking out.

That's great that YOU don't want integration. Many posters do. Don't block their path to what they need.

And I'm not the one who came in here name-calling, insulting, and harassing. Scan above to find the first stone cast. I won't dignify their ugly oposts with further reference.

As I've stated over and over, Acid is still the best LOOP-ONLY app. And tech freaks that want to use midi-sync with 5 other apps and thus sacrifice all-in-one rendering can knock themselves out. There are plenty of sync and dead trigger disaster scenarios represented here from frustrated posters on that subject to warrant caution for the non-tech wanker.

But many of the newbies in here absolutely do not want a tech nightmare to deal with. They WANT integration and standards adoption. Duh.

You'll note if somebody comes in here looking for nothing but loopland, I never misdirect them to something they don't want or need.

Anyway, where do you get off suggesting another valid poster has no right to come in here and state their honest opinion? Your opinion is no more valid than mine. Go ahead and disagree with me, but refrain from name-calling and character assassination or intimidation. Or suffer the consequences.

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: MyST

Date:11/22/2001 5:49:11 PM

I did as you suggested and scanned above for the first stone cast. It was YOU! How 'bout that!
Your very first reply you call fellow Acid users LIARS!
Also, re-read the posts after that and you won't find an insult until you reach yours again. How 'bout THAT!
Sure I said you were a Cakewalk billboard, but that is justified considering that your recent posts, that is not an insult.
I said you lost credibility, that's not an insult. It is something that you have done all by yourself. It is not something that you can argue your way back into getting.
I will not insult you. I don't know you. You could be a brain surgeon for all I know, why would I call you stupid.
Also, I don't doubt that you have helped Acid users in the past. If, however, you want to regain credibility, maybe you should consider putting more effort into your posts. Everyone here knows about Plasma. Nobody (that I am aware of) has disputed the quality of that product. I'm a registered Cakewalk Home Studio user myself. That being said, it is not the end-all solution you make it out to be.
If your fellow forum users don't see you as credible...then your not. You might be credible to yourself, but we don't see you that way anymore.
As I said, Plasma is most likely a great product, and I'm glad your enjoying it. But try to vary your input on this forum, so we can take you seriously. You seem to know Acid, but I'd like to know that when I post a question you can answer something else than " Buy Plasma!" I've already spent my money on this, and it works great on my system. I don't want to spend more cash, I wan't to resolve my issues with THIS one.
If you see any insults in this post, I apologize. I just stated the facts. Your constant plugging of Plasma has done you more harm than good, in our eyes.

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: univalve

Date:11/22/2001 6:24:32 PM

Maruuk, the comments on your posts have been entirely accurate. Try cutting back on the caffeine; that might help you reduce your insane, hate-filled tirades.

Subject:RE: Can ACID record multitrack?

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:11/23/2001 12:49:07 PM

Gentlemen, I repeat, I posted helpful and incisive comments to questions asked by posters. Many thanked me for turning them on to useful alternatives.

YOU then jumped in and literally attacked me personally, heaping insults and abuse on a guy who was a proven benefit to inquisitive posters. You are attempting to harass and intimidate a helpful poster out of the forum.

So what does that make you? The webmaster should be interested in your repeated attempts to suppress my informed and successful advice by hounding me at every opportunity.

You want to talk agenda? I think yours is quite clear. There's no law that states all SF employees must have a SF logo next to their names on this "open and uncensored" forum. 'nuf said.