Thanks for the reply Ray. Yes, I've actually seen most of those tutorials, but I they are not the same as the options in Vegas. So, was hoping someone has already gotten it down here. I know planning, lighting, wardrobe, furnishings etc help push the color effect, but all my attempts are too "Bright Miami" flavored. I can't seem to get the darker areas a deeper teal than bright pastel.

I think the difference using magic bullet is on the 3 color options, there is also an "Amount" or gain/contrast or something - I barely know what I am saying... but vegas lacks that option...

....oh wait, I think I'm on to something! I wasn't pushing the MIDS into the teal/blue at all, and that sort of gets it more there. Cool!

Anyone else mess with TEAL ORANGE / TEAL GOLD / TEAL FLESH coloring in Vegas pro 11?

I did. Basically the fx stacking was:

- secondary CC to push the flesh with keying, a mask (or a combination of both)
- 3 color wheels CC for the teal tone applied to the whole frame
- final "polish" with a curve.

I got some interesting results but went rapidly to the conclusion that Vegas stock color correction tools are not the easy way to do it. I tried with BCC7 with no success and never got time for further experiments (got too many crashes fiddling around sliders).

Check this:

http://vimeo.com/28084356

It may give you some ideas or hints and understand what I mean with easy way.

Thanks, lotn. Sounds like you've tried the most in vegas of anyone I've encountered. I agree, probably not REALLY doable in vegas, but fun to try.
I'll try your stacking method. Sounds interesting.
for laughs, here's my earliest attempt where things are kinda overblown on purpose for this flick
http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/216/620/216620445_640.jpg

Watching the Edius grading examples, I only wish SCS would give us some of those FXes (like YUV curves, FX inside/outside a mask, etc.)

Piotr

Me too, just got back from watching - I like how fast it is, and it looks just great. Currently playing with 6.5 trial and not afraid to say it. SCS can learn from this.
Also, 10 bit colour space native. 8 bit footage grades better. sigh... Can Vegas do what Edius seems to be doing, this quickly. I think not. yes it can grade with 3 way, yes we have masking etc.. but the workflow is not this fast or effective. My opinion.

Paul.

wwjd,
you might want to try Film Looks presets as a starting point for your own color correction

Paul,

any side effects of installing Edius trial on Vegas? I'd like to give it a go, but wouldn't like to spoil my environment which - compared to what people here are saying - has allowed me to use VP11 without any problems whatsoever.

Piotr

any side effects of installing Edius trial on Vegas? -Paul

u could probably use the Canopus 10-bit codec in Vegas* :)

* edit: then again, it's probably a freely distributed codec, so nevermind...

Piotr, i am evaluating on my laptop rather than main PC as Edius does not need or use a GPU. So thats a safer way to trial it i think. It does seems to install a copy DirectX runtimes, which may or may not have an effect on Vegas - so I chose to keep them separate, for now anyway... Not sure about it yet - just lookin' :)

EDIT: apologies for getting OT. Maybe a new thread is needed. sorry OP.

Paul.

wwjd:

Thanks, lotn. Sounds like you've tried the most in vegas of anyone I've encountered. I agree, probably not REALLY doable in vegas, but fun to try.

I have to admit I did a lot of grading experiments with Vegas but I am far being a colorist. Here is a sample of one of the best I got:





For this one I used two tracks. Upper one is a region focusing on the boy using rotoscoping and secondary CC to get orange skin. Lower one is the full frame with 3 way corrector to get the teal.
Both of them belong to a parent track to which I applied a curve and secondary CC for final polish (post composite mode).

paul_w:

Me too, just got back from watching - I like how fast it is, and it looks just great. Currently playing with 6.5 trial and not afraid to say it. SCS can learn from this.

I suggest that you watch the whole set of Grading with Edius tutorials, you will get more impressed :-)) Check also HD real time demos (without GPU ...)

SCS can learn from many things, their own errors included. This is really sad to say...

piotr:

Watching the Edius grading examples, I only wish SCS would give us some of those FXes (like YUV curves, FX inside/outside a mask, etc.)

I agree that inside filters associated to the way the masks and the keyer are managed is simply "wow"

It's best to avoid color grading.

If you shoot things properly all you may have to adjust is levels here and there.

10 years from now we will be looking at these orange and blue crap coloring jobs in the same way we look at 70s fashion today.

Can't you see even in your example that the original looks fine and that the colored one looks like the boy has a mixture of hepatitis and some bad tanning bed incident.

I just saw you did mentioned to avoid mentioning personal preferences, but too late :^), I(ve already typed it up.

The boy's skin is fine. It's probably just a temporary reaction to the onion he's cutting. ;)

IMO, a modest dose of the teal/orange scheme looks nice on footage that is overall desaturated, perhaps on action footage. Or dramatic kid cooking shows.

Love it or hate it, Magic Bullet Looks 2.0 is my "go to" for color grading in Vegas.

"If you shoot things properly all you may have to adjust is levels here and there."

There are few, if any, projects that I do that don't benefit or aren't enhanced with some degree of cc and it has absolutely nothing to do with "shooting things properly." To me that statement is just utterly silly on the face of it.

- Ray
Underground Planet

It entirely depends on the project.
If you're doing a feature or music video for example, you'd better be getting some kind of stylized look or its potentially boring.
If you're doing the news or reality related videos, then yes, keep it true. Thats my 10ps.

Paul.

Can't you see even in your example that the original looks fine and that the colored one looks like the boy has a mixture of hepatitis and some bad tanning bed incident.

Can't you understand it was experimentation just to see how it could be done ? Don't worry for the kid, the latest news from him say he is fine :-))

I fully agree with your opinion about those looks we have to see ad nauseam. To be honest this one over saturation was intended and for sure is too much.

One old but interesting post (rant) about teal & orange:

Teal and Orange - Hollywood, Please Stop the Madness

I wish you happy reading ;^)

I want to focus on DOING IT, not if it is right or wrong. :) Those test shots look perfect!

I did get the freeware version of the preset usable Magic Bullet Movies Looks HD from a while ago, and love it. Just wonder what Vegas itself can do.

Also, for budding colorists and tweakers, there is a fully legit free version of DAVINCI RESOLVE LITE out there that is epic. The real version is $30k and used in many movies. But takes a while to learn, and is "limited" to a max resolution of "HD" which is great for me! I'm a home hobbist and never shoot in 4k anyway

Those test shots look perfect!

Thank you but how about their wrongness ? ;) <vbg>

Resolve Lite is on my list of things to play with. Even the lite edition looks so powerful.

If you stick with Vegas your toolbox is one of or a combination of these:

- masks
- curves
- 3 way or secondary CC (maybe AAV colorlab can do nice things too)
- channel blender
- compositing

If I may add approximately $0.02 worth to the discussion, Vegas' color corrector will do a fine job to create the desired effect. Push the low values toward blue, and the mid values toward orange, and the high values toward yellow. The key is not to overdo it. When it comes to color correction, "less is more" usually applies.

If you intend to apply a color look to your footage in post, desaturate colors in-camera while shooting, just slightly. (You could also use a Saturation Adjust FX prior to the Color Corrector in your plug-in chain.) This will give you a more neutral starting point, so that the CC plug-in isn't over-compensating. That's when things start to look ugly.

HTH,
Paddy
SCS

Thank you but how about their wrongness ? ;)


Yeah, it's pushed but shows what can be done. One can back down from there.
Thanks admin, will try the yellow push suggestion.

I shoulda come here first.... posted all around the webs and HERE is the most useful info and friendly peeps to boot. Thanks again!

Isn’t this the exact same as a 3 strip process?

The "orange flesh" reminded me of watching a tv set years ago at a friends house where the people's flesh was idenditcal to the picture above. I asked him why the orange flesh and he said it wasn't orange. I said you have to be kidding me. He said it was perfect. He was wearing glasses so I said let me see your glasses and after putting them on the flesh colors were perfect. I said your glasses have not been color corrected. He said they were and I said OK. Mybe they were polarized.
JJK