Subject:Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Posted by: Jim35

Date:6/26/2012 5:39:21 PM

Hi:

I'm utilizing SoundForge 10.0c (Build 491) and am working with audio files that are approximately 45 minutes long. What is the easiest way to add tracks to these 45-minute .wav files approximately every 5 minutes within the recording, and then burn a CD of the final recording with these tracks in it?

Thanks.

Jim

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: rraud

Date:6/27/2012 9:13:10 AM

Do you wish to 'overdub' another instrument or vocal into an existing track? If so, you would want a 'multi-track' app, like Vegas, Acid, PTs, Reaper, ect., ect. If you just wish to insert a sound clip, it's as simple as 'Copy> Paste'. The same could be done using the 'Copy> Mix' which leaves the original content in place, and adds the 'new' content to it. (old-school terminology: sound-on-sound) Not the same as overdubbing though, via a multitrack application or recorder.
Not sure what you wish to accomplish, If you care to elaborate, we could offer more specifics?

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: roblesinge

Date:6/27/2012 10:36:56 AM

I think you're actually asking how to add track markers to a wave file and then burn those tracks onto a CD, correct?

Highlight a section that you want to be a CD track and then use Insert-->CD Track (or the 'N' key is the shortcut for this). Repeat this for all of your tracks and then use the Tools menu to either burn track-at-once or a disc-at-once CD.

Rob.

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:6/27/2012 10:32:07 PM

Easiest in CD Architect (included in SF 'bundle').

Load the file into CDA, add it to the timeline as a track, position the cursor wherever you want a new Track number, and press <T>.

If you want gaps between the tracks,starting from the left press <T> where you want the first track to end, then <S> (for Split), and drag the resultant next track segment out to the right. The inter-track gap will show on the timeline - usual is 2 seconds, but can be whatever you like. Repeat until end.

geoff

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Jim35

Date:6/28/2012 12:52:02 AM

Yes, roblesinge, you're correct in what I'm trying to do. These are .wav files of spoken voice audio interviews.

1) Let's say that I begin at the very beginning of the audio file and highlight the first 5 minutes of the recording, and then insert a track at the end of it. What's the easiest way to then begin at the end of the first track in the .wav file to then begin track 2, then do the same for tracks 3-10? There has to be a simple way to begin immediately at the end of track 1 to then begin highlighting track 2, etc., in terms of doing all the highlighting on the screen.

2) What's the difference between a track-at-once CD vs. a disc-at-once CD?

Thanks.

Jim

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:6/28/2012 7:47:22 AM

No need to highlight. Just press the N key. Keep in mind that the first track marker will indicate the beginning of the first track and therefore should be at the beginning of the recording, not between tracks 1 & 2.

The difference is that a track-at-once CD is normally burned one track at a time. At the end of each track the directory is updated to include the new track that has been burned. The next track starts the process all over again. This is useful if you are building the CD one track at a time and want a disc you can listen to before it's finished, and will go back at some later point to add more material. The downsides are that there will normally be an extra gap between tracks that you can't eliminate, there is a limit to how many additional tracks you can keep adding, and there is a risk that each future burn may corrupt the directory making the entire disc unusable.

A disc-at-once burn does the entire disc in one swell foop, only writing one directory entry, and completing the entire disc at the end of the single burn. This is safer and allows gapless tracks. The only downside is that you cannot add more tracks after the burn is done (which i actually consider to be an upside, considering the risk).

Personally, i can't think of any reasonable reason to use track-at-once.

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Jim35

Date:6/29/2012 12:52:46 PM

Chienworks:

Thanks for your recommendations. You mentioned "No need to highlight" in your first sentence, but when I press "N" without highlighting anything in the track, it doesn't work. Can you please clarify your instructions on how to create one track after another without any sound gaps happening between the tracks?

Thanks.

Jim

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:6/29/2012 1:14:25 PM

Jim, you're right! Sorry about that. I do *ALL* my audio CD burning in Vegas because Sound Forge didn't support disk-at-once until very recently.

So, yes, doubleclick a selection and press N to define the track region. This is slightly different from Vegas where one defines track starts and ends, but not track regions. The end effect is the same.

If you burn disk-at-once your disc will be as gapless as the material on the timeline. That is, the burn won't add any gaps that you haven't already put in yourself.

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Jim35

Date:6/29/2012 2:47:43 PM

Chienworks:

When I double-click on the open .wav file, the entire track gets highlighted, then when I press N the entire file becomes a track. I know that I can highlight individual sections within the .wav file, press N, and then have them become individual tracks, but how do I do this so that track 2 begins seamlessly and immediately at the end of track 1, track 3 begins seamlessly and immediately at the end of track 2, etc.? I'm concerned that if I have to highlight every individual track manually, there may be short gaps in the recorded audio interview, because of the imperfection of me doing the highlighting manually.

Thanks again.

Jim

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:6/29/2012 4:44:04 PM

One thing you can do is drag the left little yellow triangle that shows up at the beginning of the selection to the right until it's at the end of the second track. The formerly right triangle stays where it was and becomes the beginning of track 2 at exactly the same spot where track 1 ended. Now double-click between the yellow triangles and press N to mark that as a track.

Personally i prefer to place regular markers at the beginning of each track. Press the M key where track 1 starts (probably at the beginning), and again where track 2 starts, etc. also placing one at the end. You can zoom in and move these around to your heart's content. Now double-click between the first pair and it's selected. Press N and move on to the next.

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Jim35

Date:7/1/2012 10:48:50 AM

That's great, Chienworks! Utilizing the markers along with your other instructions works like a charm.

Thanks so much!

Jim

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Jim35

Date:7/10/2012 7:00:50 PM

Everything works fine until I try to burn the CD. I create the tracks, then I go to Tools>Burn a Track at Once Audio CD. Then I get told that my file is mono, that it needs to be in stereo to burn the CD, then I get asked if I want the same mono track burned into both stereo channels, and I say "OK" to this same question twice. The burning process then begins, but when the time finally elapses I've got no information burned onto the CD-R disc. But I get no message that there's been any kind of problem at all either.

Do you have any idea about what may be going on?

Thanks.

Jim

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:7/11/2012 6:32:26 AM

No, but have you tried CD Architect yet, as suggested long ago, which is even more straightforward ?

geoff

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Jim35

Date:7/11/2012 6:39:33 PM

Geoff...I bought an old version of CD Architect maybe 5-7 years ago, and I found it to be confusing for me to learn.

But now the people who were mastering my CDs have gotten out of the business, and I want to learn how to do it to save me the $150 a month I was paying them to do it.

I also have Vegas 9.0, but haven't used it much. I understand this can be used to burn CDs, too, so I'm open to suggestions within this arena, too.

Thanks.

Jim

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Jim35

Date:7/11/2012 8:20:44 PM

The problem I was having in SoundForge when burning the CDs happened when choosing the option to test first before burning the CDs. Now that I've bypassed that option, the CDs are burning just fine!

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Jim35

Date:7/13/2012 2:39:02 PM

Once the audio CD has been burned, is there any way to then open the audio CD recording up and back into SoundForge, and then view the recording and the tracks all together from beginning to end? (Much like the completed WAV file looked like that the audio CD was burned from.) As of right now I only see how to open individual tracks from the CD back into SoundForge, not the entire recording from beginning to end.

I want to do this as an additional quality check on everything being burned perfectly onto the CD, before then having many copies made of the CD.

Thanks.

Jim

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:7/13/2012 4:04:30 PM

File / Extract audio from CD.

You can do individual tracks, all tracks as separate files, or a range of the disc as a single file.

Subject:RE: Adding Tracks and Burning a CD of the Recording

Reply by: Jim35

Date:7/15/2012 12:28:37 PM

Thanks, Chienworks!

Jim