i dont see fx automation and im more than let down.
personally i dont even consider an fx envelope automation.
im looking for audio fx automation like vst.
i posted earlier that its a shame.
seems simple enough to add.
i was hoping sf would step up to the plate!
maybe v3 audio will be different(i dont count on it though).

I'm a vegas user, and I'm not sure exactly what you're asking Sonic Foundry to impliment. Can you provide an example of automation? What is vst?

Luxo

"seems simple enough to add"...

If it was simple, it would have been done long ago.

im not trying to make a big stink about automation.
im just saying that i feel like i need it and i dont think it will happen in vegas.
and when you say"if it was simple it would have been done a long time ago"thats not always the way companies work.
i can think of at least four other programs off the top of my head that have automation.hell,even fruity loops has almost everything automated.
i also think im not alone.if you look over the forum in the last 6 months a lot of people are wanting fx automation.
so im not pissed off at sf or anything.
in a matter of fact ive been a huge fan and still am.
i think i will use other programs for real serious mixes and projects and if i want to do something quick and easy i will use vegas(wich is what i love about it).

but maybe(hopefully) i will be wrong and vegas audio will come out in the spring and fullfill everyones dreams.
-ciao

When it comes to all of the features that both Sonar and Cubase 5.1 have I'm hoping that vegas audio does come through with this. An example of automation would be to have an effect on a bus gradually change parameters over time...ie:gain,shape,delay time,whatever. Or say feeding a reverb effect with only a small amount of input gain and gradually increaseing over time for a effect of a clean vocal to a processed vocal. I can only achieve these effects using cubase[vst].If I'm missing something can someone help me out. Some of my projects that I've produced recently also needed the volume to decrease to 0 and then back to the original volume. I would just group these tracks to a group[in cubase]or I guess a buss[in vegas]. Automate the group in cubase and done,these were 18 or so tracks to the grouping. What a pain in the but if I had to use a volume envelope on every track at the exact same point. Or is there a work around. I'm not 100%, but if I'm wrong let me know of a way. My biggest thing though is the addition of soft encode to it. Why CD Architect and not Soft Encode?

Hello,

About the volume envelopes you can using the envelope tool copy and paste the same exact points on as many tracks as you as you like

See ya, Rockit

...and as for having "an effect on a bus gradually change parameters over time..." you can use assignable effects. Tools > audio > insert assignable effects. Choose your effect. Select the audio track you want to apply it to, and Insert -> audio envelopes -> FX1. Treat it like any other envelope.

To apply it to other tracks, use envelope edit tool to copy the points, like explained in the last post. Or, mix all your tracks down to one. It would be interesting to import each bus onto the timeline as a virtual track, and apply envelopes from there, but I don't think this is possible yet?...

Hope this helps.
Luxo

It's kind of a bummer, that a lot of pro audio features have not been added to Vegas. Fortunately for me, I realized this a long time ago and went out and purchased a Yamaha 03D mixing board. Using Vegas in conjuction with this, gives me fully automated effects, and busses, automated EQ's and even 5.1 surround sound.

I prefer this method of working then VST, because of the user friendliness of Vegas.

Regards,
Brian Franz

Thanks for the replys guys, I'll try and figure both those techniques out. Though I still think that the next release of vegas audio 3 needs to have those features and more, or else fall WAY behind of cubase and sonar. To tell you the truth I'm not much of a midi person at all,probably why I dig acid so much. I'm pretty much an audio only type,If they at least match these other softwares or even throw in a few curves of their own[hopefully] I can't really see why I would use anything else. Untill then most of my projects are still in cubase land[for now].I hope that they also come out with a instructional book like they did with acid and soundforge. Has anyone purchased these books...good/bad experiences...thanks...later.

I actually just started reading my Vegas Manal this week. I got it when I upgraded from VA to VV. It's not bad for beginner to intermediate. Not much on advanced though. But I will say 2 things:
1) Most of what I know (about VA) I knew already so it didnt give me a whole lot there. Not becasue the manuel was bad or I know that much, but mostly becasue VA is VERY intutive to me. I just kind of started playing with it and a lot of it figues itself out. ( A lot more so than Cubase)

2) INHO the manual seems to lean more towards VV. And so do most of the users. That's not becasue VA is lacking as much as there seems to be more VA users.

I think both VA and VV could stand on their own very well. That they are combined is like getting a 2-4-1 deal.

Just my 2 cents

And check out the advanced tutorial CD for Vegas Video. You can order it from the site somewhere. About an hour of video -- some real helpful stuff. Mostly for video though, not as many audio tips.

Luxo

I am sold on the intuitive aspect of Vegas Audio. But, a little more focus would be nice. I looked at the new features to come and felt left out (of course, this could be due to untrained eyesight).

Rednroll,
Could you give a semi-ignorant mind a little more info on that mixing board you use? I have an mx602A and it does little more than provide a minimal interface.
Would I be better off with something else or am I not useing what I have properly?

Theron.

Actually I own the advanced tutorial cd...Tons of stuff that I'd probably might have skipped over and realized later on.That ripple delete technique saved me a bunch of headaches from this last video session. I need a advanced "AUDIO" cd. Something that will show me the work arounds to all the stuff that I mentioned in my prior post.Later.

I guess that's what I'm saying. I didnt even want Vegas at first. It came with my Delta 1010 and I tried to get to dealer to sell me the card alone so I could get a price cut.

Once I loaded it and used it I loved it. But I am a musician. I was thinking pure audio. I started playin with the video and now want to be a move producer ha ha ha

But I do kind of get the feeling that we Audio users are like step children. The program is mainly about video ,and oh yeah . . there are some nice audio things thrown in (albeit VERY nice:-)

That would be NICE! I do more audio than video but I went ahead and upgraded to VV 2. I just downloaded the beta for VV 3.

I worked in commercial television for over 20 years and there's one thing I can tell you about audio for television: most broadcasters don't give a damn about the audio! Its only an "add-on" to the video. And tv manufacturers put those little 2" PM speakers in tv sets that sound like crap, because they don't frigging care about the sound!

Hanging pictures on a radio signal is the only "magic" they know or care about.

Hopefully this attitude will all change when the general public discovers the full fidelity sound that is available for television!

Sorry I am not familiar with your MX602A, so I am not sure if you're using it to it's full potential or not. Almost any new DIGITAL mixing board will do the features that I previously mentioned. IMO, the Yamaha 03D is the perfect compliment to Vegas. The Mackie digital mixing board is killer also, but I couldn't afford that one at the time I bought the Yamaha 03D. If you're familiar with the Yamaha 02R, basically the 03D is exactly the same except it has 8 less channels and cost $3000 less. The 03D has motorized moving faders, 2 internal effects units with all parameters automatible, it has EQ's and Compressors on every channel...again fully automatible, Scene memory mix saving and the ability to automate different scenes. It has channel grouping, and of course a master fader, and also has the ability to switch the pans from Stereo to 5.1 surround sound mixing capability...and yes the pans are also fully automatible. The only thing I have to do is send SMPTE timecode from Vegas to the 03D and these 2 devices work seemlessly together.

So basically all the audio features that everyone has been screaming that they need in Vegas, I've purchased and have been using over 2 years ago. Yes I would love to see these features in Vegas, but I..like everyone else here use Vegas for it's intuitive interface over other programs like cakewalk, cubase, and logic audio....by the way I own all these programs too and never use them. I do think Vegas needs to add these features to keep competitive, because I know everyone is not like me and willing to go out and buy a digital mixing board.

I bought the 03D off of ebay for $1400, new the board sold for $3500, but Yamaha has discontinued making this board. The Yamaha 01V has many of these same features (no motorized faders, but still automatible via midi parameters) and sells for $1400, this board they still make, but was too small of a board for me.

These digital boards also have a "Midi Remote" switch, which allows you to use the mixing board as a control surface. This was the only feature that I really wanted Vegas to have for 3.0, because then I could control the faders and pans in Vegas using my 03D.

So in a nutshell, if you get a digital mixing board which has onboard internal effects units and excepts SMPTE/Midi timecode, and combine this with Vegas and also a soundcard which has mutiple outputs, then you have the same power as a $500,000 SSL console. I have all these things and I do not feel limited in anyway for audio capability.

Brian Franz

Its not like sonic foundry have to build a model like steinbergs housten or the mackies automated mixer. Logic just licensed the mackie and now they are both working on making all of the features accessible through the board to the software. And I've read that there are other automated mixers just as good from third party developers...can't think of the name though. My studio is my bedroom right now so I don't want a 32 channel board anytime soon. The boards from steinberg and mackie are amazing.Just the right fit for my space! With the supposed overhaul of the audio system as well in the next update...we can only hope that sonic foundry was so forward thinking.Don't forget to write down your opinions and needs in the product suggestion page,you never know!!!!! Keeping my fingers crossed.

So ... who knows what happened to the "Sonic" in "Sonic Foundry"? With all of this focus on Video and web-content, maybe a name change is in order?

Still ... from what I gather, Sonic Foundry had/has a strategic partnership with Cakewalk. Some have said that they've even shared software components (like the Acid technology for Sonar, and the limited MIDI implementation of Acid 3). If this is the case, couldn't we reasonably expect to have SOME implementation of the DX8 automation spec in the forthcoming Vegas Audio/Video?

I love Sonic Foundry products, as they're VERY easy to use and become familiar with ... but I think that their mad scramble to diversify the product line has left the core products (and the teams that work on these products) floundering. It seems like a catch-22 to me. They won't improve the core products (Vegas, Sound Forge, etc.) because of the competition and ever shrinking revenues, but they have ever shrinking revenues and tougher competition because they don't improve the products!

I don't claim to have the corporate inside track, but I think that Sonic Foundry will continue to diversify and continue to lose market share until you can pick up a copy of Vegas for $79 at Wallmart. I just wish a corporate giant would buy up Sonic Foundry and infuse the whole development team with more resources!

It seems futile though, doesn't it?

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