Subject:((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Posted by: Sitala

Date:4/28/2012 1:52:08 AM

Hello. I'm rather new to using Acid pro 7 and I have some questions.

1) I'm using a Tascam US-144 as my audio device, but I only want to use it for recording. I don't want it to be my monitoring device as well. I would like to use the standard computer setup as my monitoring device. However, once I choose the Tascam unit I can't find any other option than to plug into the Tascam and monitor out through the Tascam unit. How can I use the Tascam only for recording and monitor out through my computer speakers as I usually listen to music?

2) I've figured out how to create an effects chain for an electric guitar track I am recording on, but I can't figure out how to hear the distortion sound as I am recording or rehearsing towards recording. Oh, I can hear it after the fact, but I need to be able to adjust the effect BEFORE I record. I don't want the distortion 'cooked' into the sound. I would like the option to adjust it after I record and get it just right. How do I do this?

Thanks!

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:4/29/2012 12:53:23 PM

In order to use input monitoring of fx, you must use ASIO drivers. You can then enable input monitoring per track and monitor through any fx on that track. You audio will be recorded dry.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:4/29/2012 1:26:04 PM

In addition to what Peter said, for question 1, you'll have to set up your TASCAM like I have my DigiTech RP255 guitar effects processor set up.

When I want to record from the RP255, I use its USB. To monitor, I have its 1/4" outs going into my Echo MiaMIDI audio interface (which then goes out to my mixer and then, finally, my monitors and/or headphones).

In short, it has to be done via hardware, specifically your audio interface.

ON EDIT: In my haste, I failed to mention that the RP255 itself acts as an audio interface (provided its drivers are installed). I can use it by itself or with my Echo MiaMIDI. (I prefer the latter so I don't have to finagle with everything.)

Iacobus

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:4/29/2012 2:39:35 PM

Another question is why would you not use the TASCAM for monitoring your audio? Your PC speakers running though your motherboard sound chip are not going to give you an accurate representation of your recording. They are going to color it, which you don't want happening.

You should probably rethink your set-up and do all of your recording and playback through the TASCAM with a good set of studio monitors/speakers connected to it.

~jr

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:4/29/2012 7:46:29 PM

Thanks so much for your replies! I was beginning to think no one was going to help me.

To JohnnyRoy,

Hey, you made a good point about monitoring through the Tascam while recording. I hadn't thought of the value of that and it sounds like the right way to go. I can listen to the finished product after the fact with the Sound Blaster THX external sound card I use for my computer. It should sound the same, but...then again, right? Why take any chances if I don't have to?

I'll have to experiment with the ASIO information as I am not certain exactly what you mean and I am not in the position to test it out right now.

Personally, I don't mind using 'after the fact' effects on anything else besides my electric guitar and I have a number of effects devices for my electric guitar before I plug into the Tascam.

BTW: That Sound Blaster THX external sound card works great for me. No matter what computer I may use I can always count on the same high quality sound and I like that. It really made a difference for me and improved the sound from my computer significantly!


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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: b.complex

Date:4/29/2012 7:53:42 PM

I sent you a private email this morning as well.

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:4/29/2012 9:03:36 PM

"ring of fx, you must use ASIO drivers. You can then enable input monitoring per track and monitor through any fx on that track. You audio will be recorded dry."

Peter

MY COMMENT:

Gosh, you're a lot smarter than I am. If I knew how to enable ASIO drivers I would probably not be here asking this question. Um...how exactly do I enable the ASIO drivers? Can they be enabled for just one track at a time or do they have to be enabled for either all tracks or none?

Thanks

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:4/30/2012 2:46:47 AM

To B.Complex,

Since you have had experience using the Tascam US-144 you're just the guy I need here. I'm going to post what you wrote in the hopes you can add to it anything I may need to look out for as far as problems with the Tascam US-144. I've had the unit for a while and am just starting to finally use it.

YOU WROTE:

Hey man,

I had a Tascam 144 and had lots of problems with it. That said, I think what you need is "input monitoring" - if what I remember is correct, the Tascam lets you "monitor direct" so you have zero latency in your headphones. You need to switch that off (If you can, I can't remember) - then on your recording track you need to TURN INPUT MONITORING ON - you should be able to hear your track with the effects through the Tascam. Check the help file for turning Input monitoring off and on.

I hope this makes sense.


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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:4/30/2012 9:07:43 AM

@Sitala

Do you know what an ASIO driver is?

You might want to review the ACID Pro user manual. If you are not familiar with how your hawdware works, I would suggest you consult your hardware manual as they typically discuss the different driver models supported and how to install ASIO drivers for the device.

You configure ACID to use ASIO drivers. This is done in the Preferences Audio Device page. If you have installed ASIO drivers for you hardware, the option to select them will be present.

You cannot have one track using ASIO and others using Wave Classic or Mapper. The driver setting is app wide.

Once ASIO is set up for ACID, the all tracks will present you with an input monitoring options. Again, this is all presented in the manual and the help system of ACID.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:4/30/2012 2:44:10 PM

Thanks Peter,

You're obviously a genius in such things. I'll do my best to understand and apply thy doctrine.

Please create an update so in the future if I buy a 64 bit computer I can use Acid Pro on it with no problems.

Thanks again!

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:4/30/2012 3:38:14 PM

Sitala, please try to understand that Acid works fine of 64-bit systems.

However if your 64-bit system is somehow screwed up, you soundcard driver is not ASIO, or is otherwise flawed, it may not work well, as with any other audio software.

geoff

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:5/1/2012 12:53:02 PM

> "Hey, you made a good point about monitoring through the Tascam while recording. I hadn't thought of the value of that and it sounds like the right way to go. "

I think you'll find that it's absolutely the right way to go for monitoring what your recording really sounds like.

> "I can listen to the finished product after the fact with the Sound Blaster THX external sound card I use for my computer. It should sound the same, but...then again, right? Why take any chances if I don't have to?"

It should NOT sound the same! and THAT is the POINT!!! The Sound Blaster THX is coloring your sound. It's adding additional EQ and frequencies where none exist. It is lying to you about what your recording really sounds like. You'll think it sounds great and then you'll give it to someone who doesn't have a Sound Blaster THX and it will sound thin. You absolutely positively DO NOT want to monitor your recording with consumer sounds system designed to "enhance" playback. You want to hear the "real" sound of your recording.

> "I'll have to experiment with the ASIO information as I am not certain exactly what you mean and I am not in the position to test it out right now. "

Go to Options | Preferences | Audio Device and look in the list of devices drivers for one with ASIO in the name. There should be one from TASCAM and possible another from Creative for the Sounds Blaster. You want to use the TASCAM ASIO driver. Once you do, there will be new options in the track header to monitor your recording. If you don't see an ASIO driver from TASCAM go to their web site and download one (or possibly it's on a CD that came with the audio device). This will give you the lowest latency because it talks directly to the hardware.

> "BTW: That Sound Blaster THX external sound card works great for me. No matter what computer I may use I can always count on the same high quality sound and I like that. It really made a difference for me and improved the sound from my computer significantly!"

...and that's the problem. It's has "improved the sound from your computer significantly" not the sound from your recording! If you are serious about music, you should get yourself a pair of reference monitors (they don't have to be expensive, the M-Audio Studiophile BX5a/BX8a Deluxe are a fine pair of monitors that are moderately prices) and connect them to the TASCAM. You should position them equidistant from each other and your head. In other words, if you sit 4 feet from the monitors the monitors should also be 4 feet from each other forming a triangle with your listening position. This will allow you to monitor what your recording truly sounds like. This way when you mix it, you will be hearing the true sounds of the instruments.

~jr

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/1/2012 5:40:52 PM

Sitala

You sound offended by my response.

I wouldnt say i am a genius, and I certainly don't have a doctrine conserning ASIO or ACID. It really isn't rocket science, but I do understand that it can be a bit deep for those new to audio on any platform.

Just trying to make sure we are on the same page. Just trying to help.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/1/2012 7:42:21 PM

Peter,

It's just that people like you, in forums like this, always seem to assume I'm smarter than I actually am. Makes me feel dumb having to ask about ASIO stuff. To me it seems if I knew how to activate the ASIO I wouldn't have had to ask you anything about this, but...I'm probably wrong again.

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/1/2012 7:50:08 PM

To JohnnyRoy,

Here's the thing. When I master I compare to established songs that have great dynamic range. Some of Bob Marley's songs make the grade. I'll compare the song to a Bob Marley song or one of my New Flamenco songs.

Or, in this case, I've been using Music Minus One for guitar, The Best of Santana. I compare my finished product to the original song and adjust the EQ in order to OUTDO the original. So It doesn't matter what coloration the THX may have as long as I can make my song sound better than the original in the same electronic situation it should indeed sound better no matter what system I may play it on.

Of course, I will test it!

I've got these very small Sony desktop speaker that I haven't even taken out of their package that I intend to use for final mixing just to make certain the songs will sound great on tiny speakers as well. If I put the songs on my MP3 player and run them through my car stereo, comparing to the best mixed recordings I have, and find my songs lacking in any way I intend to adjust the mix.

This is a hobby of mine. I don't intend to market my material

If you see any flaws in my reasoning please show me a better way. These are all theories that I have not yet put into real practice

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I sure appreciate it!


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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/1/2012 11:32:42 PM

Just sounds like you have some learning to do. I do recommend our users manual for ACID. It covers all of the topics you have questions on.

Our knowledge base is also a good place to dig around in.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/2/2012 1:14:48 AM

To JohnnyRay:

1) ..... However, once I choose the Tascam unit I can't find any other option than to plug into the Tascam and monitor out through the Tascam unit.

NOTE: There is no ASIO option for me to choose in the Audio Device window. Have I finally made this clear enough? I hope so

2neNOTE: I decided to download the most recent drivers for the Tascam unit. Obviously it has no ASIO drivers. I'll go back to the website and...probably get lost. No, think positive, right?

I'll find ASIO drivers for the Tascam unit

*Repeat ten times then...croak

Well, I croaked

Maybe you can tell me where on the Tascam site I can find the ASIO drivers for this unit because I don't have a bloody clue:

http://tascam.com/product/us-144mkii/downloads/

This is so friggin typical. Telling me what to do and I can't figure out how to do it

<sigh>

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/2/2012 2:11:30 AM

To Peter,

You make it sound like using the online manual would be as easy as a walk in the park. I scrolled through the ENTIRE contents and found nothing about ASIO then I went to the index and still could not find what I was looking for. I found ASIO, but when I finally scrolled to the right page, WHICH TOOK A WHILE, it did not tell me what I needed in order to do what you said I should do.

My idiocy showing itself again, right?

This is all I found:

PAGE 275

Customizing ASIO port naming

It tells me to choose the ASIO from the Audio Device tab. Which puts me right back to what JohnnyRay told me to do and why I cannot do it!

Going through that friggin online manual only to find that I completely wasted my time did not put me in a good mood, I'll tell you that much

The most frustrating thing is I KNEW this was going to happen again

(((( I KNEW IT!!!! )))

But, I trusted you and wasted my time again

Oh well....

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: b.complex

Date:5/2/2012 7:38:51 AM

1. Make sure you have the latest FIRMWARE installed on your device as well. Tascam firmware updates are here:
http://tascam.com/product/us-144/downloads/

2. It don't see specific TASCAM ASIO drivers on their website, but you can download ASIO4ALL which are generic ASIO drivers for all of your devices. You can get those here:
http://www.asio4all.com/

As I said, I had one of those Tascam interfaces and it caused me problems, so I moved on.

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/2/2012 3:46:08 PM

Yes, I should have said that as I was looking for ASIO drivers I did indeed update the latest firmware for the unit.

I'll give the ASIO site a try.

YOUR help is especially appreciated as you are apparently more familiar with this unit than others who post here.

Please remember that this is NOT a Tascam US-144 unit

They no longer make those.

This is a Tascam US-144 mkII

Thanks again!

OH WHAT FUN!!!

Now that I have downloaded the ASIO all drivers I'm supposed to turn off the system sounds and put my computer into always on status and what else?????

Sometimes I feel like taking a sledgehammer to my computer and all my complicated electrical equipment and only play acoustic instruments AND NOT RECORD AT ALL!!!

The last time I was faced with baloney from my recording equipment I stopped recording for months and stopped playing guitar altogether. Looks like I'm headed for another one of those episodes!!!

This is bullshit!!!

I'm right on the edge of not using Acid Pro 7 and giving up guitar for quite a while. You don't care and neither do I!!!!

What? I'm supposed to turn off each system sound one at a time then remember what they were to turn them on afterwards?????

Didn't think to mention that using properly activating and using these ASIO all drivers would be less fun than having my teeth pulled, did you?

FORGET IT!!!

Hey, I've been around long enough to suspect that no matter how I may try to configure these ASIO drivers I'll end up with my sound all screwed up. Last time I took advice in the Adobe and HP forums I ended installing a recommended video graphics card and temporarily ruined my computer motherboard. It was a miracle that my computer started working again! I'm not going through anything like that again if I can help it!

And I would call Sony for help, but they want to charge me up the yinyang for any phone help they would give.

I'm thinking of going with that simpler recording program what was mentioned, with a different company, and throwing Acid Pro in the garbage where it obviously belongs!!


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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/2/2012 4:42:00 PM

Okay, let me clue you in with a short story about Acid Pro 7

My son learned about computers from pirates who thought nothing of stealing every program, song and movie they could get a hold of. Now, he lives in China; land of the pirate thieves.

The only reason I got Acid Pro 7 was because HE was going to be my tech support. He tried to give me the program for free and I tried to use it and couldn't. My computers are virgins to stolen software and that pirated copy of Acid Pro 7 made me feel cheap and dirty so I had to delete it without using it.

So, I finally blew my stack over him using stolen computer software and told him that until he cleaned up his act I never wanted to speak to him again!

SO MUCH FOR MY ACID PRO 7 TECH SUPPORT

Now, all I have left is you guys and, sorry, that is just not good enough!

I'm dumping Acid Pro 7 and paying less, than Sony tech support, for a new program that is getting many great reviews at Amazon.com. Supposedly, it is much easier to use than Acid Pro 7. It has its shortcomings, but since this is a hobby of mine I'm not too concerned about that.

I'm still checking into it.

Acoustica Mixcraft 5 Audio MIDI Music Recording Software V 5

http://www.amazon.com/Acoustica-Mixcraft-Audio-Recording-Software/dp/B00321M84K/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

FROM A REVIEW:

"I used to think that if it wasn't expensive then it obviously wasn't as good ... but with Mixcraft I have to take that back! I own Acid 7 and I do like it, however this software just seems more intuitive. I also own Cubase 5, although I don't use it (it just doesn't **feel** right to me .. if that makes sense). And I've run through a demo of Live 4 and 5 ... and I just don't want to wrap my head around that one ... maybe I'm lazy who knows ...

If you intend to do serious professional recordings with pristine mixdowns then I can't help you ... Mixcraft may not be as good in that regard ... but if you're laying down midi tracks with audio files, maybe some loops and putting together some vocals, layering in some VST effects or Instruments ... then this software is honest to goodness as good as, and probably easier than, anything else out there. (and if you're producing professional audio stuff then you're already using Protools anyway).

I've been a faithful Acid user since version 3, and I will probably continue to stubbornly stick with it, but I can tell you that this software is going to definitely start taking up some of my time. For example, one comparison between the two ... if I have a project laid out in Mixcraft and I decide that I want to insert a short midi file that I've saved on my computer it's just a matter of a right-click and choosing the file ... done ... but in Acid it just seems like I have to jump through hoops to insert some midi to it ... this might seem trivial but to me I want a program that's created from a musical perspective, not a programming one ... it's just my pet peeve (and I'm a programmer too ... !)"


MY COMMENT:

Oh, it may not be as great as Acid Pro 7, but for an idiot like me it just might be the best I can handle.

Besides, every time I use Acid Pro 7 I tend to think of my ex-son and that is not very inspiring AT ALL!!!

filthy thief!!



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UPDATE:

I'll have to call the company because I see nothing in the description that it will work on 64 bit computer systems. If it won't work on 64 bit computers I just may stick to Acid Pro 7. If I stick to Acid Pro 7 I probably won't record at all

Let's see how easy it is for me to speak to someone over there



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2nd UPDATE:

With Sony you can pay for phone tech support. With Mixcraft it seems you cannot get phone tech support even if you pay!!!

However, they do have a lot of video tutorials, which I didn't see Sony providing for Acid Pro 7:

http://www.acoustica.com/mixcraft/v5/help/video-tutorials.htm

And they have a support forum, like this one, for Mixcraft 5. Why am I not jumping for joy?

The company is on top of things and the people in the forum seem satisfied that they are receiving continual help from the company in the forum. They are getting ready to release Mixcraft 6 and are asking people to test it and offer suggestions. This company seems to care about what their customers feel. Obviously, not at all like Sony who leaves their customers in the dark until they switch to a different product, like I am about to do.

Well Sony, I must admit, you have done a great job of frustrating your Acid Pro 7 customers. Congratulations on that. I'm about to jump your recording ship:

The announcement was made March 23, 2012

and it will only cost an extra $20.00 to upgrade Mixcraft 6

http://forums.acoustica.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9802


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Considering this one instead:

Mixcraft Pro Studio 5

Supposedly, if I buy it now it comes with a free upgrade to the soon to be released Mixcraft Pro Studio 6

http://www.amazon.com/Acoustica-Mixcraft-Pro-Studio-5/dp/B00461NCF4/ref=sr_1_1?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1335999070&sr=1-1

'My brain hurts'

-Mr Gumby (Monty Python)


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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/2/2012 8:37:20 PM

I just installed the drivers for the TASCAM US-144mkii. The ASIO drivers installed.

I started ACID and set up to use the ASIO drivers. Input monitoring works as designed.

You are correct, the index does not point you to the specifics of ASIO. However device setup and input monitoring are covered, and ASIO is presented in context.

You are doing something wrong. Don't know what it is. Hope you figure it out.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: b.complex

Date:5/2/2012 8:55:33 PM

Mixcraft won't solve your audio interface problems. I can state with 100% certainty that this is not a problem with ACID Pro. I referred you to ASIO4all in case ASIO drivers were not available for your device, as I didn't see any specific ASIO drivers on the Tascam site - but Peter seems to have installed the drivers and they INCLUDED ASIO drivers, which is really how it should be at this point.

I run ACID Pro 7 on Windows Vista 64 and have very few problems with it. ACID is one of the EASIEST DAW programs to use, and I own and have used several. One of the reasons we are all so frustrated that ACID is being discontinued is that we all love the ease of use and workflow of ACID.

I had a Tascam interface and had lots of problems with it. I went to EDIROL and then PreSonus when I went firewire. Both the EDIROL(Roland) and Presonus boxes worked much better than the Tascam.

You shouldn't need the ASIO4all drivers if your Tascam unit has ASIO drivers.

I do understand your frustration. I won't bore you with war stories about trying to get Cakewalk Pro Audio 6 to work with my Creative Soundblaster or ECHO Gina cards on Windows 95 or 98.

This really should be easy. You install ACID> You install your device drivers>You restart. You set up the audio device in ACID's preferences tab to use ASIO drivers, and away you go!

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/2/2012 9:00:15 PM

Hey, I believe I properly updated the firmware and installed the most recent drivers for the Tascam US-144mkII. So you're saying that you can go into the drop down menu for the audio device type and see a US-144mkII ASIO option to click on????

Is that what you are saying?

Because if you can then I guess I must have done something wrong. Please let me know.

I'll try downloading and installing the drivers again just in case I did indeed do something wrong.

I apologize for getting frustrated over this matter. I was counting on having my son for tech support. Now I have no one besides you people here to help me and that is not as much fun as you may seem to think it is.

UPDATE:

I'm installing the new drivers again as I write this. It seems stuck, Guess I have to restart the computer and try again.

Looks like I'll also not be playing guitar or recording for the next few months. I feel about as inspired now as I would having a thorn in my foot.

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/2/2012 9:36:08 PM

There is an option for 122/144 as the drive supports both devices.

Did you follow the instructions for installing the drivers. You should not have the device connected until the installer tells you to.

It is all in the Tascam driver install documentation.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/2/2012 9:37:04 PM

To Peter,

Okay, after downloading the latest drivers AGAIN from Tascam I decided to use the unistall drivers function first this time and uninstalled the drivers. Then I restarted the computer and installed the new drivers. Supposedly everything went just find. So I go back into preferences and into audio device and it's the same old thing. You are telling me that you see a US-144mkII ASIO option. That's what you are obviously saying. I see no such option to choose!

So, what am I doing wrong???

I'm trying to remember the old days when I wanted to record music. Gosh, seems like ages ago. This is turning out to be less fun than doing my taxes!

And to think it was on my son's recommendation that I bought the Tascam US-144 mkII. I could have bought ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/2/2012 9:40:41 PM

Well, I had left the unit plugged in. I'll try disconnecting it until they say I should connect it

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/2/2012 9:41:35 PM

I don't know what you are doing wrong. The install went with out a hitch for me.

I would suggest you contact Tascam.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/2/2012 9:54:57 PM

Well, this time I unplugged the unit until told to plug it in.

You're saying that you have the option to choose an audio device type that says

US-144 mkII ASIO

I have no such option and each time I go round and round like this I lose more and more desire to record or play music

I held to my principles because I sense that it is true MASSIVE solar flares are on the way that may soon destroy life on this planet as we know it, thanks to humans messing with the natural defenses of this planet with nuclear testing and that cursed HAARP technology. I did my best to FORCE my son to be more honest and, in the process, prepare for his possible death and all I got was a loss of his love and his expert computer tech support help. All is not lost though. I still have you guys...and no desire to record WHATSOEVER!!!

I'm getting ready to download a trial version of that other program and if I like it I'm going to take great pleasure smashing Acid Pro 7 to bits with a hammer. I'm going to really get into it. Like Family Guy Stewie and Brian got into smashing up that Surfing Bird record. I'm going to smash it to bits and never look back after I throw it in the trash.

Oh, you didn't see that Family Guy episode?

(((( GOOD!!! )))

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/2/2012 10:05:12 PM

TO PETER,

LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT

YOU HAVE THE OPTION, IN ACID PRO 7

TO CHOOSE AN AUDIO DEVICE TYPE THAT SAYS

US-144miII ASIO

RIGHT?

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT?

PLEASE ANSWER DIRECTLY

Thanks

I'm probably wrong, but I don't think you do. I think you are going into some other tab to choose that option

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/2/2012 10:20:27 PM

Well, I've had it with Acid Pro 7

I just ordered

Mixcraft Pro Studio 5

Looks really cool

It comes with a free upgrade when studio 6 soon becomes available

They are not keeping people in the dark about upgrades like Sony is!!!!!!

Don't mind waiting for it to get here as this Sony site has killed all my desire to play music; killed it DEAD!!!

Maybe this program will help to reignite my musical passion, maybe not

It doesn't matter

The only thing I know for certain is I never want to use Sony Acid Pro 7 again!!!!

http://www.acoustica.com/mixcraft-pro-studio/index.htm


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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:5/2/2012 10:30:08 PM

So we won't being seeing you here any more ?

OK, bye and good luck with Mixcraft, Tascam, and your presumably massively screwed up computer !

We tried.

geoff

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/2/2012 10:34:23 PM

Well, Acid Pro 7 now brings too many bad memories about my ex-son who chose being a program, song and movie thief over my love and respect. It's better if I throw it in the trash and start off fresh with something that is easier for an idiot like me to use.

Plus if I keep asking questions here and getting answers that don't help I just may break all my guitars and give up on music entirely

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/3/2012 1:03:46 AM

I didn't mention that I gave my son a link to this thread. Then again he hasn't responded to my email for a while. Chances are he has block-headed my email address.

Well, I may be a block-head, but I'm an increasingly honest block-head

Myth has it that carries some weight in certain circles. Not this one, of course!

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: b.complex

Date:5/3/2012 7:48:54 AM

I have Mixcraft as well.
For the price, you can't go wrong. the VST's alone included with it are worth the price.
You might want to also try REAPER.


Regardless of which one you choose - YOU WILL HAVE THE SAME SETTINGS TO MAKE IN EACH PROGRAM to use the ASIO drivers with your device.

This shouldn't be this hard.

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/3/2012 5:39:53 PM

LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT

YOU HAVE THE OPTION, IN ACID PRO 7

TO CHOOSE AN AUDIO DEVICE TYPE THAT SAYS

US-144miII ASIO

RIGHT?

No, that is not what I wrote. I wrote that there is a device labled:

122/144

What it actuall is labled is:

US-122L/US-144


Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/4/2012 12:52:21 AM

Hey there b.complex,

if you have 12 more recording programs to recommend, heck, I'll buy them all. Why not? It's only money, right?

They are sending me a box with a DVD of the program and they also allowed me to download and install it which I did today. So far it is very colorful, intuitive and inspiring to use. Soon it should be much better as they are taking suggestions now in order to make the upgrade the best possible. I told them I'd like the program to pay for itself by writing and recording its own hit songs while I'm sleeping. Now, that's a great suggestion if ever I heard one!

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/4/2012 12:55:01 AM

Hello??? Peter??? Are you there???

How about waking up and realizing that I had that option from the very beginning!!!!!

I always saw that option and was using it!!

Unless you choose the device US-144 mkII option you CAN'T RECORD ANYTHING!!!

Sheesh!

You have to tell some people everything!

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/4/2012 7:45:22 AM

Ok, but you never stated that I this thread.

It works as expected for me. Dont know what you are doing wrong.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/4/2012 2:29:11 PM

To Peter,

Oh really? You can choose the Tascam unit as a sound device and also monitor everything through your computer sound card? I DOUBT IT!!

My whole concern in this matter was the fact that once I choose the Tascam as the sound device I have to monitor through the Tascam unit to hear the entire recording mix.

Lie through your teeth and tell me you can choose the Tascam unit and you have the option to monitor the entire mix through your computer sound card!

It works for you, eh?

I thought I could get it to do what I wanted with the Mixcraft Pro Audio 5 program and I couldn't make it happen. I have to monitor through the Tascam unit to hear my electric guitar that is being input through the Tascam unit.

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/4/2012 2:31:57 PM

FROM MY FIRST POST:

Hello. I'm rather new to using Acid pro 7 and I have some questions.

1) I'm using a Tascam US-144 as my audio device, but I only want to use it for recording. I don't want it to be my monitoring device as well. I would like to use the standard computer setup as my monitoring device. However, once I choose the Tascam unit I can't find any other option than to plug into the Tascam and monitor out through the Tascam unit. How can I use the Tascam only for recording and monitor out through my computer speakers as I usually listen to music?


MY COMMENT:

Seems I made it clear enough in my first post on this thread. Was what I stated too complicated for you to understand, Peter? Poor baby.

You technical hotshots at Sony seem to enjoy keeping your customer base hanging waiting for you to do something with Acid Pro and slowly they are choosing other options and leaving Acid Pro behind. I have no intention of using Acid Pro 7 again. That much is for certain

In life you get what you ask for! I asked for a better and more user friendly recording program and that is exactly what I got. What is Sony asking for by leaving their Acid Pro customers waiting and waiting and waiting? You figure it out

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: kitekrazee

Date:5/4/2012 5:06:01 PM

This is the longest troll thread here. Is it possible to be this ignorant? Try reading the manuals.
I don't think you can record with one unit and listen with another using an app using Asio drivers unless you close Acid and change the settings.
If you want to make it easy just get some headphones and listen thru your Tascam unit.

I think it's funny how you complain about Acid's development while using a Tascam US-144. Try dealing with Tascam's support or invest in their products where they are the 1st to drop support for most of their stuff. Look up GSIF 2.1, TDIF.

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/4/2012 5:27:25 PM

Last post to you.

I did not lie. I use it the way it was designed to be used.

I am having your forum access removed.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/4/2012 5:31:16 PM

Well then. So long and take care. Truth is not fun for most.

I wrote that I went through the online manual and could not find what I wanted to do.

YOU TOLD ME I WOULD BE ABLE TO!!

Fun wasting my time when you did not even know what I wanted to do, right?

You act as though I did not make myself clear in what I wanted to do. Then when I prove I did you ignore the truth and now intend to deny my forum access.

Who needs Acid Pro 7? Not me. Soon it will be in the garbage where it belongs all broken up in little pieces!

From my experiences here I have to say, from the bottom of my heart, that YOU DESERVE having people steal Acid Pro 7. Yes that is what you deserve alright!

I hope you lose your entire Acid Pro 7 user base to software companies who truly care about their customers!

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/4/2012 6:27:51 PM

One last time.

I thought it was very clear by my posts and the other users that posted here. I will be vey specific.

ASIO is a driver model that does not permit using is outputs or inputs combined with other devices or diver models. All i/o goes through the single ASIO device.

ASIO is the only driver model in ACID that provides low enough latency to make input monitoring through track fx to be useful.

In order to monitor you Tascam, it's outputs must be connected to some form of output speakers or headphones. You could connect the output of the Tascam to the input of your sound blaster. You will then need to set up your sound blaster to monitor its input always. This will be documented by creative as to how to do this. You cannot control this aspect of the sound blaster from with in ACID.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:5/4/2012 6:59:18 PM

... lie through your teeth....

You really are very nasty as well as , um, challenged in the understanding department. This information Peter gave you was concise and correct.

It may be that English is not your first language - but then accept that there may be something 'lost in translation', and be gracious about it.

It would be nice for your last post, before leaving to plague the poor MixCraft forums, to at least to apologise to Peter and to the others here whose advice you have chosen to ignore or disbelieve.

geoff

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/4/2012 7:21:16 PM

"In order to monitor you Tascam, it's outputs must be connected to some form of output speakers or headphones. You could connect the output of the Tascam to the input of your sound blaster. You will then need to set up your sound blaster to monitor its input always. This will be documented by creative as to how to do this. You cannot control this aspect of the sound blaster from with in ACID.

Peter"

MY COMMENT:

Are you going to try and pretend that you've been saying this all along????

WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO KID!!!

Why did you send me on that wild goose chase through the onliine user manual just to find out what I already knew!!!

I'm not as dumb as you would like me to be, Peter!! If you would have said this from the beginning I would not be as frustrated with you as I am now!!!!

I don't appreciate having my desire to record music crushed to the point of dead by you people in this forum!

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Steven Myers

Date:5/4/2012 7:50:41 PM

Nowadays they make pills for that.

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: b.complex

Date:5/4/2012 9:52:32 PM

1. The Tascam is a poor choice of interface.
2. Everyone here has tried to help you, but you lack even a basic understanding of how to set up your computer for recording. I suggest you stick to a drum machine and a Tascam 4 track cassette machine. Computer recording is a little beyond you. For what you are trying to do, that should work just fine. The Beatles did wonders with 4 tracks.
3. You are exceedingly antagonistic to those that are trying to help you. YES, we are all concerned that ACID Pro has been discontinued, but you are irrational.

Good luck with whatever program you choose. No matter what you choose you will still have to set it up properly, and that part seems to be eluding you.

Cheers,

b.complex

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: feign

Date:5/5/2012 12:54:14 AM

If you put this much irrational flame-out-the-ears anger into your music, it could make for some heavy-hitting death metal. Though I doubt you'd hang onto any bandmates for more than 2 minutes.

When someone--whether or not they work for the company--volunteers their time and patience to try to answer your question, regardless of whether your brain synapses are able to interpret the reply, they are not deserving of such vitriol. God help any music executive or club manager who might say something that confuses you.

And if, as you said, a bit of self-inflicted criticism is enough to kill your desire to make music, then you're no artist.

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/5/2012 3:28:55 AM

THE TASCAM UNIT WORKS JUST FINE!!!

I'm having fun with the Mixcraft program. It's so colorful and beautiful it makes Acid Pro 7 look like an over-complicated dead corpse. I thought Mixcraft 5 was beautiful, but Mixcraft 6 is even more beautiful and classy. You look at it in wonder rather than looking at Acid Pro 7 and seeing a grey and white complicated hassle. Mixcraft inspires creativity. In contrast, Acid Pro 7 inspires a headache and a desire to give up recording music.

For the next month you can test out the new Mixcraft 6 for free and they encourage people to email them with any problems they may be having as they are still working out the bugs.

http://forums.acoustica.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9802

I'm not as inept as you people would like to make me out to be and the Tascam US-144 mkII works just fine. If Peter had given me the information he just did things would have been different and I would not be so frustrated with him. Instead he sent me on a wild goose chase looking for something I was not going to find in the user manual for Acid Pro 7.

Then he tried to make me think that he could do what I wanted to do and that I was doing something wrong WHEN HE DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT I WANTED TO DO!!! Although I made it clear enough from the very beginning!!

I SURE DID NOT APPRECIATE THAT ONE DAM BIT!!!!!!!!!

Mixcraft is much more user friendly and intuitive. I like it! So far, its rather easy to figure things out by myself and they have lots of free tech support videos to watch. Their tech support guys really care about their customers and are eager to help. I agree with the assessment that Acid Pro is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!! Now that I have found the Mixcraft program who needs Acid. I stopped dropping acid years ago and I don't want to start again.


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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: feign

Date:5/5/2012 8:12:03 AM

You said:

"Acid Pro is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!! Now that I have found the Mixcraft program who needs Acid. I stopped dropping acid years ago and I don't want to start again."

I say:

Then please go away and quit posting here.

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:5/5/2012 11:53:06 AM

In Windows 7 i can have ACID/Sound Forge/Vegas/whatever set up to record through an external USB device AND monitor/play back through the computer's sound card simultaneously, no switching required.

In Windows XP i cannot. I have to go to the sound control panel and make the switch manually each time i want to change from recording through the external device to listening through the internal device.

Note that none of these settings are part of the music/recording software; they are all Windows functions.

Perhaps that's the confusion here?

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/5/2012 1:16:33 PM

Really? I believe I did my best to enter the specs for my computer and it still says specs not available. If someone needed to know THEY SHOULD HAVE ASKED!!! I'm using 32 bit Windows 7 Ultimate. Peter says it can't be done and you are saying it can? How about straightening Peter out because, according to you, Peter doesn't know what he is talking about.

BTW: how did you do it?

I gather, from your post, that it has NOTHING to do with the Tascam interface unit and EVERYTHING to do with adjusting something in Windows 7

EDIT:

Okay, I figured out how to make it work ALL ON MY OWN. If Peter begs me I just may teach him!!!

However, I'm having a latency delay problem which makes it impossible to use this arrangement. I remember having the same problem a while back when I tried to monitor using the input on the computer. I believe I updated the sound card drivers and the problem was solved. I'll see what I can do about that.

2nd EDIT:

I'm in the process of downloading a driver update for the THX Sound Blaster card.

I now remember. It was many years ago so I must have been using my old Roland VS-1680 to record and I wanted to line out through the computer speakers. I ran a cord into the Line In on the computer sound card and I was having a latency problem that you did not notice after you recorded. You only noticed it while you were recording. I remember doing a web search about the problem and found that MANY OTHERS were have the exact same problem and they were ANGRY!!! Not calm like me. I seem to remember that updating the Realtek sound card driver solved the problem. I hope updating the THX Sound Blaster sound card driver will work. If not I'll try unplugging the THX device and updating the drivers for the computer sound card then plugging the THX back in AFTER I test whether or not I have a latency problem using the stock computer sound card.

3rd UPDATE:

I take it as a good sign that it is taking a VERY LONG TIME to download the driver update for the THX Sound Blaster sound card. I sure don't remember it taking this long to download the Realtek driver update. Maybe they have fixed this problem of communication between the THX sound card and the computer. I can only hope, but...I'm not too concerned anymore. Whatever. It makes no sense getting upset over things that cannot be changed. I'll do my best to make it work the way I want it to and if not, I'll just monitor out through the Tascam US-144 mkII

4th UPDATE:

Wow! It's still downloading. I could have downloaded the entire Mixcraft 6 recording program about three times by now and it's not even half way done!!! Guess I'll go watch a movie while I'm waiting; or do the laundry. Looks like I've got about another hour of downloading. What a world!

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/5/2012 2:54:01 PM

@Cheinworks

Are you using ASIO in Vegas/ACID?

I am aware of the routing in Windows 7. When ASIO drivers are used Vegas/ACID take over the hardware. I know there are some devices that allow for ASIO to use selected ports and other ports on the card to be used by wave or the system.

I tried this with some of my devices, and when using ASIO in ACID, the routing in Win7 stop working. What device are you using?

I can see how the input of one card can be monitored through a second, but it would not permit you to monitor the fx on a track in ACID or Vegas. The input signal is sent through the track fx and then sent to the output of the same ASIO device. Simple monitoring the raw input through windows input to output mapping would never get the processed signal as that is happening in the software and routed to the ASIO output.

It is possible to set up ASIOForAll to use two physically separate devices to make a hybrid - one for input the other for output - but the latency is problematic at best and sync between the two devices will never be exact as there is no assurance that each devices clocks are locked. I have heard terrible phasing problems in addition to unacceptable latency sizes of 1000 or more sample frame sizes.

If you have this working, I would be very interested in how you set things up.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/5/2012 4:28:37 PM

Creative WaveStudio 7.12.00

152.34 MB

It finally downloaded and is waiting to install. All I wanted was an update of the driver for the THX Sound Blaster sound card. I was given two option and I unchecked the other one because it had something to do with a Creative player and I did not want that.

So, I wait fully prepared not to be surprised if this does not solve the latency problem

Oh, I see now. There were actually three boxes that were checked and I only unchecked one of them. Well, I hope this exta piece of Creative software proves itself useful

H-o hum...

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:5/5/2012 6:28:30 PM

Peter, sorry, no ASIO here. I've never even installed it so i'm not sure how it might make operation different from the classic wave drivers and M-Audio drivers i do have installed. All my work is 2-channel stereo live recording so i've never had need for low latency.

I'll give ASIO a try if you'd like me to.

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Matt_Iserman

Date:5/5/2012 7:42:08 PM

I have an M-Audio Micro USB sound device. When I want to use ASIO in Acid (or other programs such as the standalone Guitar Rig) while still hearing sound from other programs, I enable the Realtek onboard audio device in the Windows control panel and set it as the default device which re-routes all the sound. I then launch the program with which I want to use ASIO. If it is Acid, I change the audio device in Acid to the M-Audio Micro ASIO. I then go back to the sound devices in Windows and disable the onboard audio device. Everything else re-routes to the M-Audio device while still retaining ASIO in Acid.

I do this most often when I want to play guitar while listening to mp3s. BTW, I have 64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium.

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/5/2012 9:14:14 PM

@Matt

Yes, some devices/drivers permit simultaneous access between it's different driver models. I have seen increased latency in many cases, though it depends on how the driver is implemented. I have seen the shared resource use by some apps cause ACID/Vegas to stall on playback. Even seen system sounds cause this, but it does depend on the drivers.

In general it is not something we recommend when working with low latency requirements, as an output stall can easily affect the input from the device.

Peter

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: b.complex

Date:5/6/2012 8:45:22 AM

In my experience, it isn't worth trying to use separate devices. Full duplex is the way to go. Why? Latency is the main reason, also the drivers and the device are usually designed to compensate and sync up so that you are getting a reasonably accurate way to record and overdub in time with your playback signal. Some interfaces use "direct monitoring" that allow you to hear yourself with no latency delay directly through the device.

Reading this thread and thinking about trying to get an onboad THX soundcard to work and the mention of the Roland VS unit (I had one of those once too!) is taking me back to 1998...

Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Sitala

Date:5/6/2012 10:36:35 AM

Yes. well, I have updated the Sound Blaster THX sound card and, to be honest, I don't feel inspired to test it out. It probably makes no difference with the latency problem and it really is no problem for me to monitor out through the Tascam unit. All this baloney going back and forth with equipment is not inspiring at all. It's a pain in the neck. So, I'll give it one more chance to work properly then I'm going to stick with monitoring out through the Tascam.

My memory is coming back to me. I got sick of how complicated the Roland VS-1680 was so I decided to buy a simpler unit. I bought the Tascam DP-02.

http://tascam.com/product/dp-02/

I liked the fact that I could hook it up to the computer and download everything I may record on it. However, I don't like being limited by 8 tracks. Bouncing is all very fine, but if you later decide you don't like the bounce mix TOUGH LUCK PAL cause you are stuck!

I must admit that until I was stonewalled by Acid Pro 7 I liked the advantage of having everything in the computer to begin with and I liked the fact that I can create as many tracks as I like. Now that I have recently used a VGA splitter and also use my HDTV in the living room as a computer monitor, having all the music I record directly in the computer from the very beginning is lots of fun especially with my new my new Logitec K350 ergonomic wireless computer keyboard

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/for-business/products/keyboards/devices/wireless-keyboard-k350-business

Once you go Internet surfing in the comfort of your living room with a wireless ergonomic keyboard and mouse, you don't go back!

Yes, recording directly into the computer is more fun than the Tascam DP-02.

Unfortunately, Acid Pro 7 is not intuitive enough for a guy like me. I need something simpler and Mixcraft 6 is beautifully inspiring and AWESOME!!! I was watching some video tutorials, last night, on YouTube and my goodness, this program is DA BOMB!!! For my needs Mixcraft 6 inspires miraculous greatness rather than headaches and a desire to give up playing music forever.

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Subject:RE: ((( Need Help with Acid Pro 7 )))

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:5/6/2012 2:32:59 PM

"I'm going to stick with monitoring out through the Tascam."

Seems like several people have already told you that's the best way to go.