burning bad audio cd's

seanfl wrote on 6/27/2011, 12:14 PM
I've had a few audio cd burns that have not ended up being complete, even though Vegas 10.0d says that all went fine. When the cd is played back, it has the first few seconds, then cuts out.

Any ideas? I'm burning onto a blue-ray internal drive. The drive has done plenty of other burns with other software with no issues.

I had one single track, and told it to skip pre-rendering to a file in the most recent bad burn.

Sean

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AVTech wrote on 7/7/2011, 11:03 AM
I've been having the exact same problem with Vegas 10. Every 4th or 5th CD will burn like normal and you can even see that the disc has been written to, but when you play it back the audio cuts out after about 2 or 3 minutes.

I also have a BluRay drive (LG) but I do not have any problems burning discs with Vegas 8 or Roxio.

I went a few steps further and troubleshot the system using the suggestions from this article on the Sony website (http://www.custcenter.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/541/kw/no%20audio%20on%20burned%20Cd). Things got a little better but I still have 1 in 10 or 15 discs that won't burn.

Perhaps we have a glitch in the software?
AVTech wrote on 8/6/2011, 11:20 AM
Is no one else having this problem? I can burn CDs exactly the way seanfl describes in Vegas 8 but in Vegas 10 I get CDs with no audio. it is very frustrating to not be able to use my new software yet.
gkephart wrote on 12/6/2011, 12:29 AM
I've been burning CD's for my mastering business in Vegas Pro 9 for quite some time, then finally decided to take advantage of the "upgrade" to Vegas Pro 11 recently, and voila, I gave some burned yet un-listened to CD's to the studio to make a few hundred copies (I performed bler tests on them, but stupidly neglected to listen to them).

Needless to say, the artist needs these tomorrow for a concert tour in Japan, and I've just had to recreate the project in Vegas 9, as I once again stupidly let Vegas 11 overwrite my previous project, and the file format is not backwards compatible. What a load of wasted time and money. We'll see if support ever gets back to me. Can't believe they broke what had worked so well.
Madfrisbee wrote on 12/7/2011, 10:20 AM
I have the same issue. Vegas 9 burns fine, 10 didn't, and now 11 doesn't either. I get the first few seconds or minutes of audio, but then silence the rest of the time. Have any of you had any success figuring this out?
TLF wrote on 12/11/2011, 7:48 AM
I am having this problem too. It's not often I burn CDs from the timeline, but ove the past weeks EVERY CD I've burned is exhibiting this problem.

The CD is indexed correctly, so it sees all the tracks, but after about 3 - 4 minutes everything is silent.

The original files (created in Adobe Audition CS5.5) are fine - 44.1KHz sample rate etc, so they are ripe for burning to CD, but Vegas fails.

Unfortunately, CS5.5 has no burning facility, so I can't use that. Instead I'm using ImgBurn to create CUE files that work perfectly. But not being able to burn from Vegas is a real killer for me.

I'm using VP10 by the way, but the same happened in the trial of VP11. Does Sony really test its software?!
Geoff_Wood wrote on 12/11/2011, 1:50 PM
Yes, I'm sure Sony tests it's software. It doesn't matter what spec your source media is, though I guess V has less 'work' to do on natively 44k/16/s media.

Is anybody burning CDs on a CD burner ? Although they SHOULD burn OK on DVD and Blu-Ray writers, they are not primarily optimised for CD. Thes usual problem if firmware that may not cope with current CD-R formulations.

Or if problem unique to V, maybe some way V relates to firmware in some burners.

And yes, I successfuily burn CDs from the timeline in V11 (was V10) on CD and DVD burners (Plextor). Almost never from 44k/16/s source media, and often from reasonably complex mixes with multiple tracks and plugins active (I use the Pre-Render Before Burning option on these ones).

geoff
Chienworks wrote on 12/11/2011, 7:00 PM
I've noted this problem as far back as Vegas 7, i think, and with Vegas 9/DVDA 5.2 i've started seeing the same thing happen to DVDs.

However, i may have made a breakthrough in my case.

I've gone through so many burners of the years that lately i've taken to using external USB2 cases so that i don't have to keep opening up the PC to replace the burner. I discovered quite by accident (tripping over the power strip) that even though the previous dozen burns were bad, all the ones i did after the drive power cycle came out fine. So i did some Audio CDs just for the heck of it and got 100% good out of that run too. It all worked fine for a couple weeks before i got a bad burn. After the first bad burn i did another power cycle on the burner, and it was back to working fine again.

So, for those of you having the issue, are you using external burners? If so, try a power cycle and see what happens.
Madfrisbee wrote on 12/17/2011, 3:17 PM
Guys, I just updated to the latest build of Vegas 11 (build 511, 64-bit), and it seems to have fixed the problem. Successfully burned multiple discs, using the same files that gave me trouble before.

Interested to know if this helps anyone else.

Incidentally, Chienworks, I've had this as a consistent problem with two internal DVD burner drives - and I *think* with a third one that I swapped out in this machine for a while if I remember correctly. Multiple restarts, etc. made no difference. iTunes and WMP would burn discs fine, but not Vegas.

Hopefully these woes are all behind me now.
stutch wrote on 12/22/2011, 5:39 PM
ech - yep getting similar results. Seemingly random.

Some work. Some don't.

Crazy part is it appears the data gets written (files sizes and tracks are there) its just that we cannot hear them!
Some evil copyright protection scheme at work here?

VMware Fusion and Vegas 11

Going to try workarounds

Disc image did not do the trick.

For they person that had to recreate the files: Hard lesson learned no doubt:

ALWAYS use a copy of the session when opening in an updated software situation.

There's no going back unless you have kept the original.
Use copies when making any changes to the configuration.
stutch wrote on 12/22/2011, 6:41 PM
Hi Chien

Using Vegas 8 - no problems solid. Using the internal Apple superdrive.

Vegas 11 is very inconsistent. In fact I don't tink I have a had good one yet.

Again this in a Mac Pro with Fusion
stutch wrote on 12/22/2011, 9:04 PM
Solution!

Solution from workaround!!!

Try checking the the "skip database" and "use legacy drivers" boxes in options->[references-> CD settings

Yay!
stutch wrote on 12/25/2011, 4:44 PM
Another workaround

Given that V11.511 will burn a disc at once CD - and that CD will only play the first track (the rest play silence):

Render the entire disc as a wav file - one long track- then import that into Vegas 8, drop CD track markers and burn that as a disc at once

This will get you home without having to recreate the entire project
thollinger wrote on 2/1/2012, 1:07 PM
I'm having the same problem and it started with a new machine running Windows 7 with simultaneous upgrade from Vegas 9 to 10. My blank discs occur across two different burners and any speed I use. Sometimes they go silent after a couple of seconds and sometimes right at the very end. I have not determined a pattern. Using the pre-render option in the disc-at-once dialog helps sometimes but not always. I have burned thousands of reliable masters using Vegas since version 2 and would love to solve this issue. Maybe I'll try to find a good CD-R only SATA drive (if they exist anymore).

Dell Precision T7500
Dual Quad core 2.4 GHz
12GB RAM
Windows 7 x64
OEM HL-DT-ST DVD burner
Plextor PX8940SA Blu-ray burner
Madfrisbee wrote on 2/29/2012, 10:02 AM
Guys, I reported having my problems solved with the new version of Vegas 11. Now I'm running the just-released V 11.0 Build 595, and I've got all sorts of CD burning issues again. ~Five seconds of audio on first track, then all the rest silence.

I'm trying stutch's preference settings workaround - I'll let you know how it goes.
Madfrisbee wrote on 2/29/2012, 10:26 AM
Stutch, I tried your "Skip database" and "Use legacy drivers" workaround - no joy.

Hoping we can get a Sony tech to read this thread and give us some hints that don't involve elaborate workaround calisthenics or try to blame our hardware that's burning just fine in iTunes, WMP, etc.
Madfrisbee wrote on 3/27/2012, 10:49 AM
Any of you guys found any reliable workarounds? I'm still fighting this issue.
_Durandal_ wrote on 4/30/2012, 6:33 AM
Hi Everyone,

I am a previous Vegas user (Vegas 6) and had great success with using that program. I finally decided to upgrade to Vegas 11 and unfortunately, like many here, found out that CD burning is not functioning as expected. I too get a few seconds of audio, and then silenece for the remainder of the CD.

I am using a Pioneer Blu-Ray drive (BD-206DBK) with the latest firmware. I do plan on trying a few different internal drives (i.e. my old DVD drives that I know worked with Vegas 6), but for now, nothing seems to be working, even the fix posted earlier.

Talk about disappointment given so many years of success with this product. I sure hope the technicians look at this post and get this fixed, this is what I use the product for a majority of the time.
JimMSG wrote on 5/2/2012, 3:06 PM
From my excperience this has been a problem since VP10. VP9 works fine. VP11 doesn't screw up as often as VP10, but a screw up is still a screw up. It appears to be the rendering engine. I always have it render before burning, and that appears to be the culprit. If I go to VP9 after an unsuccess CD in either 10 or 11 and let it use the previously rendered file, it goes silent at the same place. Sometimes this is just a few seconds in, other times it is halfway through the CD, and I have had a couple that went silent as the final envelope was decaying. Unfortunately I still had to do it over.

I have reported this to Sony more than once, but regardless of how much information I supply them with they cannot replicate the problem so it is an issue with my computer and/or burner not the software. I maintain a change was made in the rendering engine between 9 and 10 that is causing the problem, but so far no cures from Sony.

My workaround is to finish the CD, all the mixing, FX, markers etc. I put all FX in subs, and nothing at all in the mains. Then when the mix is right I rendering the whole thing out to a new .wav file, put it on a new track in the project, assign it to the master, and solo it. At this point, I just burn the CD without rendering a temporary track first. So far it has worked every time. One catch, though, I can only use 32-bit mode for audio only work. To many of the FX and plugins I use won't work in 64-bit, so I don't know if this will work in 64-bit mode.

Jim
vtxrocketeer wrote on 5/4/2012, 8:34 AM
This is my first post to the Audio forum because I am burning my first CD's from Vegas 11 (Build 683) and have the same problems: the first track or at least several seconds, maybe the second track, will play, then all subsequent tracks would be silent, though clearly there (burned) in correct times.

I discovered that, first, the following settings worked (I'm not at my editing bay to check the verbiage, but these are close enough):
1. check/enable buffer under run protection,
2. check/enable pre-render file,
3. check/emnable eject when finished, and
4. set burn rate at 1/2 disc max rate (in my case, 24x from the drop down menu; blank CD's are 52x).

Second, do NOTHING during the render and burn. Nothing means no web surfing, no solitaire, no video editing...zip. Just sit and watch.

I had been working on video simultaneously in another instance of Vegas while the first instance (CD session) of Vegas rendered and burned. Everytime that I was busy in the second instance (video session), the burn failed. Then, when I exited the first instance, re-opened, re-rendered and burned using the settings above, whilst doing NOTHING, my burns came out perfect. Back to multi-tasking? Then, bad burns again.

I collected about 5 coasters during this trial and error session. I definitely noticed visual differences in burn patterns between the bad discs and good discs. Apparently, Vegas does NOT like a busy computer when burning CDs. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

This seems like a workaround, but it works for me. I was TOTALLY frustrated at first that Vegas failed at such a mind-numbingly simple task, relieved that forums are littered with threads like this one, and then satisfied that I stumbled upon a reliable solution.

Someone else give this a try and post back.

-Steve
MikeT1111 wrote on 6/7/2012, 3:02 PM
VtxRocketeer I tried this and no luck. I am having the same issues that everyone else is having here. It looks like everything is there but only plays a few seconds of track one. I tried one with pre render and one without. Coaster city either way.
I hope this gets addressed. I use this feature often and thought I was suddenly doing something wrong. I usually use an older computer with Vegas 8 but I decided to use my better computer with Windows 7 64 bit and Vegas 11 build 683. So far that isn't working out so well.
MikeT1111 wrote on 6/8/2012, 10:08 AM
As a follow up I put this exact same project into a laptop that is running Windows Vista 32 bit and Vegas Pro 8. I burned the disc with no problem on the first try.
_Durandal_ wrote on 6/8/2012, 6:42 PM
I too tried the above suggestion without any luck.

So, are you thinking this has something to do with a 32 vs 64-bit version of the software? I was about to try my old DVD / CD burner in my new system (thinking it was my blu-ray burners causing the issue).
vtxrocketeer wrote on 6/12/2012, 6:37 AM
Sorry it didn't work out, folks. I'm still surprised that something so blindingly simple -- burning CD's -- is so incredibly unreliable on build 683.

MikeT1111 wrote on 6/12/2012, 9:15 PM
How do we make sure Sony is aware of this so that it can be straightened out somehow? I make use of this ability in Vegas quite often. I agree this is a simple feature that should work as it always has. I transfer live audio recordings from tape or sometimes I make my own mixes and then drop the track markers in and make the disc. It is one of the best features of Vegas for me.