Subject:Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Posted by: Evergreenrob

Date:3/21/2012 12:12:01 AM

Hello

Right now I'm using a home built PC with a $250 Gigabyte board, 24 GB of DDRIII Corsair Vengeance RAM, a Pentium i7 processor chip, Windows 7 64 bit (it doesn't matter if windows 7 is running on 32 bit it still won't run properly) is running on a Corsair SATAIII 120GB SSD drive and an ATI Radeon HD 4600 series and THE TRACKS STILL RAM OUT!!!

This is insane......

I have the board maxed out on RAM, I have the best possible chip for the board
(the i7) I have one of the best SSD drives for my OS and your POS program STILL CAN'T RUN properly.

I'm sick and tired of your greedly little bitch of a program always demanding MORE POWER....

Personally I feel sorry for the sonic foundry team selling their baby for peanuts and in return the user gets a product that WILL NOT RUN no matter how much $$$ you throw at it.

Oh yeah and I'm not going to ACID PRO 8
why would I want t program that not only rams out but is crash prone as well????

If I had more cash I'd either switch DAW's or buy a mac.

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: buckaroo

Date:3/21/2012 9:38:48 AM

""Personally I feel sorry for the sonic foundry team selling their baby for peanuts and in return the user gets a product that WILL NOT RUN no matter how much $$$ you throw at it. ""


Agree, thats why if anything I still use Acid Pro 3.0 and Sound Forge 5.0 before Sony got hold of it. I did try Sony Acid Pro 6.0, but didn't like it plus you had to install Microsoft extras and that blasted Media Manager!!

I feel your pain, and listen to the other users on here.. its all the same!

One word of advice : "Reaper" - this is the program that Acid should have been but have surpassed it by miles ;o)

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:3/21/2012 5:56:49 PM

THE TRACKS STILL RAM OUT!!!

Just what the heck does this mean?

Are you trying to tell me that Acid is using 24GB of RAM? and then stopping? Or what?

What exactly is the problem - perhaps explained a little more clear please.

VP

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: b.complex

Date:3/21/2012 7:55:49 PM

I don't understand this either. ACID Pro 7 has been pretty stable on my Win Vista 64 system for years with only occasional lock ups and shut downs, most of which could probably be attributed to outdated ASIO firewire device drivers or too many VSTi tracks all pumping at once.

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:3/22/2012 6:22:03 AM

> "I have the board maxed out on RAM, I have the best possible chip for the board..."

You do realize that ACID Pro 7.0 is a 32-bit Windows application and as such cannot use more than 2GB of RAM?

It really doesn't matter how much RAM you have in your computer. ACID will never use more than 2GB so you can stop throwing RAM at it. If your projects require more memory you'll need to fine a 64-bit DAW and upgrade all of your plug-ins to 64-bit.

~jr

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:3/22/2012 7:20:01 AM

ever "green" indeed.

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:3/22/2012 10:13:10 AM

You do realize that ACID Pro 7.0 is a 32-bit Windows application and as such cannot use more than 2GB of RAM?

Slight correction. if running 32bit ACID on Windows 7 64bit - one can get roughly 3.5GB of RAM to throw at the ACID exe....this is about standard for any 32bit app running on 64bit Windows.

However - that is still a ton of RAM for an ACID session and I still do not understand what the OP is yelling about here....

VP

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: Ranger Bob

Date:3/22/2012 9:02:49 PM

"Right now I'm using a home built PC"

I think I found your problem.

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: inocmusic

Date:3/23/2012 11:56:04 AM

Although a 32 bit architecture can address anywhere from around 3.25 to 3.75 GB of RAM depending on the BIOS and what system resources need, only 2GB will be allocated to any individual application. If you are running 32 bit OS there are some changes you can make to the boot.ini in the system that can change this but most 32 bit software is coded within this 2GB limitation so even if you force your computer to make more RAM available, most 32bit applications are not set up to address more than 2GB of RAM

I believe, IIRC, that ACID Pro 7 will never address more than 2GB, no matter if you make the boot.ini changes in a 32 bit OS and how much you have in your system OR if you are using it in 32 bit mode in a 64 bit OS

Using multiple high RAM VSTi (many of which are coded with high RAM 64 bit OS in mind) in a single song will very easily max this out and cause crashes within a 32 bit host. The host simply does not have enough heavy lifting power to handle the demand

If this is the case you ether have to work around by freezing and printing tracks to avoid having to use multiple VSTi instances or bite the bullet and move to a 64bit DAW to get full use of your RAM

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:3/23/2012 12:55:35 PM

I believe, IIRC, that ACID Pro 7 will never address more than 2GB, no matter if you make the boot.ini changes in a 32 bit OS and how much you have in your system OR if you are using it in 32 bit mode in a 64 bit OS

Pretty much any modern 32bit exe will top out at around 3.4GB of RAM in Windows 7 64bit...I have a bunch of apps here that I have personally tested with that much RAM the bill.

Have never tried to load ACID up that high - but no reason why it shouldn't be able to go beyond 2GB...in Windows 7 64 bit...

VP

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: dj_cityboy

Date:3/23/2012 3:08:56 PM

naw not at all....i have only ever used custom built PC's and i have been using acid since back in the sonicfoundry days, i would even argue that a custom built PC is a million times better then anything you would buy at bestbuy..my current config is:

Main Desktop
MOBO - ASUS M4A785TD-V
CPU - AMD Phenom II 965 Black Ed 3.4ghz
ATI - 4670 1gbdd3
M-Audio 2496 4in/4out soundcard
RAM - Patriot Viper II Sector 5 DDR3-1600 4GB
DVDR/CDR/Supermulti Drive
Enermax Liberty DXX 620W Modular ATX PSU SLI
3TB HDD
Dual 19inch widescreen LG LCD's
Cheiftec Dragon Aluminum Server Case
Windows 7 Ultimate - x64

and i have zero issues with acid pro 7, my PC isnt the newest of the new either and in PC terms, it would be quite old, but still does an amazing job handling anything i throw at it...cant say my acid has ever crashed either...

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: Marc1

Date:3/23/2012 4:32:55 PM

Hey evergreen, do yourself a favor and come up with $300 bucks and purchase PreSonus Studio One V2 PRO 64 bit and then spend $20 on jbridge so ALL of your 32 bit plugins(and VST instrument's) work as smooth as silk in Studio one.EVERY THING plays nice in Studio one,and jbridge even got my favorite XPress 32 bit synth to work again,when I thought it was a problem with Native instrument when it was Acid pro 7 all along,who new? :->And Studio one has an incredible amount of tutorial videos.I feel your pain.Acid pro is a dinosaur that has a lot more issues then Sony or any of their users want to admit. Thats probably why they haven't come up with any thing new in more then three years,because their either A,fazing Acid pro 7 out or B redesigning the whole freekn problematic software from the ground up.Giving up on Sony and getting Studio one has brought the fun ,joy and creativity back into my home recording, and I haven't crashed it ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!.;->Studio One and jbridge ROCKS ,,Really HARD.My only regret is not breaking up with Sony Acid pro 7 sooner.

Subject:RE: Acid PRO 7 AVOID at all costs.......

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:3/25/2012 11:17:37 AM

> "Have never tried to load ACID up that high - but no reason why it shouldn't be able to go beyond 2GB...in Windows 7 64 bit..."

The reason it cannot address more that 2GB of memory for DATA is because that is the way it was compiled. So while you can compile a 32-bit program to be Large Address Aware and use Physical Address Extension to access more that 2GB, Sony does not do this and they must have their reasons.

Let's not get confused with how much memory in total the application takes up. That could easily be more than 2GB for both PROGRAM and DATA (up to 4GB = 2GB PROGRAM + 2GB DATA) but we are only talking about DATA here. Acid can only manipulate up to the limit which is 2GB as determined by the 32-bit architecture unless the program is compiled with /LARGEADDRESSAWARE (which it is not) and the computer uses PAE.

There are utilities that will flip this /LAA bit and allows 32-bit applications to use more than 2GB of DATA memory but that would (1) void the EULA and (2) since it's never been tested by Sony there is no telling what other side-effects it might produce since it is not expecting to see that much memory.

~jr