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Subject:acid recording capabilities
Posted by: thefox
Date:10/31/2001 12:03:55 PM
can acid (single track) record at an equal quality to multitrack programs like vegas and others? Or does software that uses asio drive return better results with all variables fixed in a comparison? do codecs effect this? any insight would be really appreciated. thanks, thefox |
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Subject:RE: acid recording capabilities
Reply by: spesimen
Date:10/31/2001 4:14:58 PM
since acid uses the mme driver it is the same as recording with any app that uses that model. which is most of them, at least until the last year or so. other variables being the same, asio, wdm, etc won't affect the sound quality. it's still just a bunch of numbers coming from the a/d converters on the card. they do affect the latency, but acid compensates for that also when recording so it isn't really too bothersome. |
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Subject:RE: acid recording capabilities
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:10/31/2001 6:18:46 PM
Acid is not recommended as a multitrack recorder. SF has stated exactly that in these pages and that you might get 4 or 5 long "one-shot" tracks going at the same time, but sync is always an issue. I've had massive sync problems with nasty drift occuring after about 20-30 seconds. The statement in the product description of "unlimited audio tracks" is a bald-faced lie, since the implication is that they will hold sync like a true multitrack. Especially do not try to use an MP3 as a long one-shot as Acid stumbles on the decoding and will give you even worse audio sync opposite the MP3. You may or may not get some of this stuff to work on your given system mind you, but you're basically asking for trouble as you're pushing the product into unsupported territory. And if you've ever found yourself there at 3am with a deadline at 7, you do not want to go there again, ever. Basically, if you want to use Acid loops and build audio tracks on top of them a la a true multitrack recorder get Cakewalk's Plasma ($39 street) or Sonar ($799). They have true multitrack capabilities without all the "gotchas" and "I told you so's" from the support staff. Plus they give you a free synth and full DXi support for adding samplers and what have you. Until Acid opens up to industry standards, it will remain a charming toy. |
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Subject:RE: acid recording capabilities
Reply by: Foreverain4
Date:11/2/2001 8:39:42 AM
whoa! a little harsh there dont you think? i have never thought of acid as a multitrack program. i bought it with the full impression that i would have to use something else for multitracking. if you do a bit of research you will find that there or very few people that use it to record. it is a looping program, extremely ram dependant. i have been using vegas for that and i sync the two apps through mtc via the virtual midi routers. this has been working well for me. then, once i get my acid tracks the way i want them, i export them all as wave files and pull them up in vegas for the final editing and mixdown. that is my 2 cents |
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Subject:RE: acid recording capabilities
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:11/2/2001 1:02:39 PM
I was actually going easy on SF. Look at what you wouldn't have to go through if the product had an open standard like ReWire or DXi or VST. Time is money. The forum assumption is that Acid 2.0 and earlier used one-shot playback 100% from RAM which was fast and glitch-free. Starting with 3.0 they went to HD playback, which limits greatly the length and depth of audio tracks which will play back without pops, dropouts and sync nightmares. If you have very limited overdub needs, you may be able to fake by using the one-shot technoque like a multitrack. Otherwise, all your problems are solved in "Plasma", plus you get an open standard, Fruityloops beat generation, and a real nice analog synth thrown in, all integrated and ready to immediately render out the same mixer without conversions, midi-routers, buying a multitrack app ($399+) or any of the other crap SF forces you into. If the truth sounds harsh, maybe it's because SF hasn't faced the harsh reality of their competition yet. But I'm sure they will, if just because they have to if they want a viable product. MOTU, Logic Audio, all the other audio app houses are moving to integration and more open standards. By 4.0, Acid will be there, trust me. And I'll be the first to congratulate them, because Acid is too good to not step up into professional quality standards with the Big Boys. |
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Subject:RE: acid recording capabilities
Reply by: thefox
Date:11/2/2001 3:44:37 PM
if you couldn't tell, i'm a novice at this whole digital recording thing. I'm not planning on doing any midi recording for the time being, so, what do you guys think the most simple and highest quality digital recording software package is, regardless of cost and besides protools. I just bought the omni studio by m-audio and it doesn't work with it pro tool. you guys are great, thanks for your help, thefox |
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Subject:RE: acid recording capabilities
Reply by: Maruuk
Date:11/2/2001 11:06:51 PM
There isn't ONE best. Depends if you're using loops, want synths built-in, etc. If you just want to record live audio a la a multitrack analog recorder, Vegas Audio is fine, but pricey. Cakewalk has a great assortment of dirt-cheap multitracks which would work fine for you as well. Just pay attention to the features and compatibilities. |