Subject:Acid Pro 8

Posted by: fatbenelton

Date:1/19/2012 5:58:54 AM

Another of many posts on this I know but.......

I've looked through the forums, seen lost's of feature request posts and 'it's been three years I'm ready etc" posts but......

Can somebody from Sony confirm whether or not you are working on it please?

I understand release dates etc may be unknown but can you put to bed whether or not Acid is a 'live' product. Again understand if you do decide to put Acid into 'maintenance mode' it's a competitive DAW world out there and we can all find other tools even if we are disappointed but I think after this amount of time you (Sony) owe it to loyal Acid users to clarify the position re future Acid releases.....

Cheers

Jon

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:1/19/2012 6:48:19 AM

I really don't understand questions like this.

Is ACID doing the job for you? If so, use it. If not, find something that is.
Surely after 3 years users have had enough time to make this decision.

It's kinda reminiscent of all the times i've had people ask me, "i want to buy a new computer that isn't going to be obsolete right away so what should i get?" My answer is, "you can't get such a thing since they're all obsolete by the time they are sold, so spend what you can to get something that does what you want to do." Same thing with ACID: it works for you or it doesn't. Move on with it or move on without it.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:1/19/2012 8:18:20 AM

exactly! I've been using AP7e since it came out and I've been using it to its fullest. I have lots of awesome plugins, etc, that allows me to create any kind of music I want. but what I don't have is clients. for those who do and feel that they need to have the latest greatest software version of everything they use on a daily basis then buggin sony about an update seems counterproductive. and if that's the case I have a feeling they're using something else already. so what's the problem acid pro users? everyone's mileage may vary but can the current version be that lacking? isn't it awesome software to use as a creative outlet? and more than that - a tool for making professional tunes!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:1/19/2012 8:37:11 AM

Right.

The piece of commercial software i use the most is not only 16 years old, but the company that produced it went belly up maybe 13 years ago and the company that bought out the assets discontinued the whole product line maybe 11 years ago. I still use it several hours a day, every day, and make a lot of people happy and even make some money using it.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: The Potter

Date:1/19/2012 1:58:43 PM

Reminds me of a post I read in response to the clambering for updates to Maya. It said "remember that Gollum from TLOTR trilogy was animated with version 4. How many of us have done work of that quality?"

It is the skill and imagination of the user that produces results not the bells and whistles of the latest version(which is probably full of bugs).

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:1/20/2012 12:56:49 AM

If there is something A7 doesn't do for OP, submit it as a feature-request, and by all means mention it here. But another version just for a bigger number is silly.

geoff

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: fatbenelton

Date:1/20/2012 3:18:06 AM

Fellas Appreciate the views but I think I am entitled to ask to question!

I happily use C-lab Creator on the ST and until last year used Opcode Studio Vision on an old Mac G3 for the very reason you mention - they did what I needed. However, I had to keep old computers lying around to run them, wanted to streamline things etc so the Mac and Opcode went and the ST rarely gets used now.

I think we collectively make a lot of excuses for Sony with the whole 'if it does what you need' excuse. If that was the case the first 'DAW' would merely have replicated a reel to reel tape machine to 'do what we needed' and act as a recorder. To be fair Acid does what I need and I've been with it since Acid 4 back in 2003 I think. However, that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it to do more...............I am thinking of moving to another DAW because there are some tempting features, easier work flows etc but I do feel a loyalty to Acid and I know it well so was just looking for some feedback from Sony. If you think it's a stupid question fair enough: the beauty of a forum is that we all entitled to an opinion. I've invested hundreds of £'s in upgrades and loops over the years so I think I am entitled to wonder what the future holds.......
For example, Acid may do everything I want but if it isn't supported will it work with WIndows 9 or whatever in 5 years time? I can't send MIDI to fx, some VST's don't work now - how many won't work in 2/3 years? etc etc

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: kitekrazee

Date:1/20/2012 7:04:51 PM

This is pretty much the same thing going on in the Ableton forums.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Highway

Date:1/21/2012 9:09:29 PM

I live in a studio its my job. i used acid for years and was always loyal to it. i knew the ins and outs like the back of my hand. however the reason why i stopped using it about 4-5 months ago is because of how well put together other DAW's are. i went to Pro Tools because i was forced to. when you start making money off of this thing called engineering you want to be compatible with other studios. no longer are clients coming in just to record. they have their own setups and want to bring it to the studio and leave with it in that same format. sure i could track it out and dump it into a pro tools session. but 1 they wanted everything in their for future editing. and 2 i'm not spending $600 on system to just use to transfer files. once i started learning pro tools those shortcuts became heaven to me. and best believe i hated pro tools for years!!! its up to the individual what they want. i still come hear not to bash but to see if their is any movement in the community. and sadly their isn't. i wish sony the best and hope they keep up with their Vegas pro line cause i have used that for years as well. usually right now you have to look at it from a business point. is it worth it to make another version. i compare how avid did theirs and their is steady improvement with each version. everyone complains but not everyone pays.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Rickms

Date:1/23/2012 4:20:50 AM

Sorry you have gotten replies regarding well if it works for you why are you asking for anything new,. I'm pretty sure those folks probably are not using console CRT TV's anymore and have moved onto Flatscreens. I am pretty sure most TV's from the late 90s would still allow you to watch TV today but would you really want to.

The simple fact is other DAW's have surpassed ACID in terms of features, workflow and stability. They will also support more modern hardware and OS as time go by. Sony once had this market but there is so much competition and the competition is too far ahead for Sony to catch-up.

The way Sony is handling ACID is very familiar to the way other vendors who have discontinued software proceed. They will never announce the end of life until its existing version trickles down to so few sales it costs them more to support. You can still find Tracktion on the Mackie site, that software was discontinued years ago.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:1/23/2012 10:12:01 AM

The way Sony is handling ACID is very familiar to the way other vendors who have discontinued software proceed. They will never announce the end of life until its existing version trickles down to so few sales it costs them more to support.

I guess what really bugging me about this - is the total chicken s**t attitude that Sony is taking - which is to say exactly nothing and hope nobody notices.

If ACID is done - then man up and tell your customers what the story is. As truly insignificant as we must seem to be - I think we still deserve to get some sort of small closure...

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: fatbenelton

Date:1/23/2012 10:42:47 AM

This isn't intended to be a Sony bashing thread - loved Acid since V4.........But , I would love somebody from Sony to comment on whether or not there will be an Acid Pro 8...........

So, anybody from Sony? Please.....

In fact, as Sony undoubtedly monitor and manage these forums I will assume that there will NOT be an Acid Pro 8 unless somebody from Sony corrects that assumption.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Dj Creeble

Date:1/24/2012 12:28:34 AM

I too would love to hear any bit of information regarding AP8...I have been reading this Acid Pro forum thread for years hoping for any bit of information on a new release. I have maybe posted 4 times here since Acid Music 2.0 came out since I really haven't experienced any major problems with most of Sonic Fou...I mean Sony's products. The same question has been asked several times with ZERO response so it's doubtful that begging for an answer will get you anywhere here. Yes, every other DAW is advancing past Acid with each passing day but what can we do about it? Nothing. Hurry up and wait. BUT YA KNOW A SIMPLE ANNOUNCEMENT WOULD HELP. Oh great! now you guys got me doing it! ARRRRGH back to reading only....for another few years....

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Dj Creeble

Date:1/24/2012 12:40:19 AM

Why don't we start some sort of petition??? LOL

WE WANT AP8!!! WE WANT AP8!!!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:1/24/2012 11:12:13 AM

More sensible to ask for the actual FEATURES you feel are missing..

Me - I demand Acid 11 !

geoff

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Highway

Date:1/24/2012 1:29:14 PM

vst3 support, more shortcuts, ability to copy and drag vst to other tracks. well before i get into more detail i think sony should say what is acid pro's purpose, obviously they don't want to compete with pro tools by their actions. maybe they are looking to compete with garageband crowd?? i think they need to show us where they stand before we request anything. i have moved on but some people who are starting out who can't afford pro tools this would be a first step? and they cant be competing with FL cause FL gives free upgrades once you purchase, and always adds features almost every year. so sony needs to answer who are they marketing to.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: miquel

Date:1/26/2012 4:58:31 AM

They could merge Acid and Vegas....

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: KjipRecords

Date:1/27/2012 1:07:34 AM

That merger would have made my day... :-)

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: fatbenelton

Date:1/29/2012 2:25:33 PM

Sony's silence speaks volumes - so to speak!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: kitekrazee

Date:2/1/2012 11:26:17 AM

"That merger would have made my day... :-)"

Until we see the price of it. I would imagine people would moan about upgrade pricing.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: random_id

Date:2/3/2012 8:09:17 AM

Sorry Sony, you lost me. I know I am just one person, but I made the switch to Reaper. Most of my loop use involves percussion, so any advantage Acid has over Reaper in terms of auto pitch transposition is not a factor for me. I primarily made the switch due to the stability of Reaper in comparison to Acid, as well as the 'configurability' for track routing, layout, preferences, etc.

I think the only way I would be tempted to return is if you do indeed merge Acid with another product (either Vegas or Sound Forge). I also still like some of the effects. If you update/add some effects, and maybe offer some bundle with Izotope, I might be tempted. Of course, you still need to offer deep price discounts on your upgrades for existing customers.

I know, I am just one...but I wonder how many of me there are who have (or will) make the switch.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: deusx

Date:2/3/2012 9:06:23 AM

Something smells with this reaper thing otherwise you guys wouldn't be hanging around here no more.

I mean, if one's happy with their current girlfriend they don't really care to visit the old one and lay out conditions under which they'd be willing to return. Just stating the obvious here.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: random_id

Date:2/3/2012 9:25:32 AM

So, are you saying that you aren't friends with any of your ex-girlfriends on facebook?

I don't think the analogy of old girlfriend is a good one. For me, it is more like a missing cat (or dog). It has been a while since I last saw my wonderful missing cat that I love so much, but I am really starting to think that the cat is dead. Was it a fight with a racoon, a group of dogs, a mean teenager, an alien? I just don't know what happened to my beloved cat....
so now I am thinking about going to the pound to get another cat. I love cats, I just don't want to admit to myself that he is dead.
But sooner or later, they all die and get replaced by some other cat named ProTools, Sonar, Reaper, Trixie, Spot, Spike, or Kitty.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Boredmonkey

Date:2/9/2012 4:47:06 AM

You hit the nail on the head. I went to Sonar a year ago, but I kinda like visiting here like people who like to go visit Graceland. I guess I'm amused that some people think Acid Pro is still alive, just like Elvis.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Marc1

Date:2/11/2012 11:46:57 AM

If Sony abandons it's customers like that, then my days buying 'anything' Sony are over.A lot of folks stood by Sony and to have them not do the same speaks volumes about what they think of their satisfied committed customers.Sony has enough capital to leave ALL of the DAW companies in the dust, if they so choose to.And to market and have their customers make the long commitment to 'learn' their way and then just leave them to the wind without any explanation is as unethical and as rotten as it can get.I hope i'm wrong.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Marc1

Date:2/11/2012 11:54:56 AM

And if they do blow their customers off, then at every gig I play and blog i'm on,i will reinforce potential customers NEVER buy anything Sony.And dont let anybody fool ya ,word of mouth is still everything,and even more with the Internet.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: rictheobscene

Date:2/11/2012 4:16:56 PM

There have been 2 major releases of Vegas since the last major release of Acid. Sound Forge is not getting any attention either.

From this I can see one of 2 possible conclusions.

(a) Sony is going to roll Acid / SF into Vegas and create a mega application.
(b) Sony is abandoning Acid / SF.

I have no official word that I am basing this on. This is my observation and is based solely on what I am seeing.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/13/2012 1:07:00 PM

I am choosing (b).

Vegas is such a bloated disaster right now that adding both the best of ACID and SF to it...would simply kill it.

Plus that kind of massive makeover would probably really hurt the ongoing video inroads (albeit just a few) that Vegas has managed to make in the last few years.

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: guitacid

Date:2/14/2012 12:07:58 AM

For god's sake please don't let them roll Acid into Vegas. That would be a cop out. I'd rather they killed Acid and I'd soldier on with 8 until I found an identical alternative.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:2/14/2012 3:26:57 PM

If they rolled ACID into Vegas, they'd have to figure out a way to incorporate the musician paradigm that ACID provides into Vegas...while having the video and audio multitracking that Vegas provides.

If you ask me, that's just a little crazy. It's difficult enough to try to explain to people how time and tempo are related; imagine what it would be like trying to explain to a budding videographer why his Loops aren't syncing right with his video. : /

Maybe if they contained it all in a shell, but I can't see the two (and especially the three with Sound Forge) merging. I don't know. I've been surprised by SCS before (with ACID gaining multitrack as well as allowing multiple clips/samples onto one track alone; that was nuts considering how ACID worked before).

Iacobus

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Highway

Date:2/15/2012 9:00:58 AM

nuendo...

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: deusx

Date:2/15/2012 10:39:42 PM

>>>>Vegas is such a bloated disaster right now<<<<

Sounds like somebody needs to buy a better PC or at least de-bloat the current one.

It opens in 5 seconds on mine, I can add as many tracks as I like and it all works. Feels pretty lean and snappy to me. Now, it may be that other less talented people have to rely on multitude of effects and plugins to get desired results and in the process they themselves create a bloated mess of their projects, but that has nothing to do with Vegas. Just because one owns a gun it doesn't mean he/she has to shoot themselves in the foot.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: buckaroo

Date:2/16/2012 6:24:23 AM

I'm afraid as a long time user since 1998 of Acid Pro (where it was ground breaking!) I too left it a few years ago and agree with random_id's post entirely :

"Sorry Sony, you lost me. I know I am just one person, but I made the switch to Reaper. Most of my loop use involves percussion, so any advantage Acid has over Reaper in terms of auto pitch transposition is not a factor for me. I primarily made the switch due to the stability of Reaper in comparison to Acid, as well as the 'configurability' for track routing, layout, preferences, etc.

I think the only way I would be tempted to return is if you do indeed merge Acid with another product (either Vegas or Sound Forge)...."

I too am now on Reaper and it does everything Acid "should" have done and more, which is a shame as Acid has lost out really. Reaper does all this and is committed, and is such a good price for a stable MIDI and Audio DAW..

I would only be tempted back if Acid + SF were combined, in some way so you could switch and edit Acid audio files "full screen" and it turn into SF's editing capabilites in some way...

... A little like Protools does on the timeline with Area Selection, but a combination of Acid / SF in one new package..

(No interest in Vegas i'm afraid...)

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/16/2012 11:03:10 AM

Sounds like somebody needs to buy a better PC or at least de-bloat the current one.

Definitely nothing wrong with the PC - and to be effective - I am still using v9 which is still probably the best version out there.

My comments are referring more to v10 (which was a true disaster) and one look at the current forums and comments regarding v11 pretty much says it all.

Guess it all depends what you do with Vegas....:)

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: rictheobscene

Date:2/18/2012 6:32:26 PM

OK lads, remember my little scenario was pure conjecture and opinion. Looked like a couple people was getting worked up, and there is no proof that this will be the case.

That said, I started using Reaper as my primary DAW a few years ago, and I have recently made the decision to use WaveLab for all future mastering / audio editing projects. Sony / Sonic Foundry has the right to sit behind a wall of silence and leave us guessing, but we have the right to stop caring enough to keep guessing. I started with these products when they were still made by Sonic Foundry. Quite frankly, I think Peter sold us out.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: pwppch

Date:2/18/2012 7:35:48 PM

Sorry you feel that I sold you out. I don't believe I have done anything like this.

I am a staunch supporter of ACID and it's users.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/19/2012 9:54:23 AM

I am a staunch supporter of ACID and it's users.

Peter,

If you truly are what you say you are - then why not give us "users" (that you so staunchly support) - a tiny break - and gently explain to us just what the future is with this application?

Unless Sony has a muzzle on you - is it truly that difficult to say that Acid 8 is in development? Or not?

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: pwppch

Date:2/19/2012 1:00:47 PM

If I could discuss our internal road map I would.

This in no way diminishes my passion or dedication to our users and our products.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:2/19/2012 4:25:17 PM

"If I could discuss our internal road map I would..."

A trully amazing statement!

In contrast, the forum moderators for my new DAW PreSonus Studio One Pro v2, when asked questions regarding future product updates/upgrades, they say something similar to the following:

1) Yes, there will definitely be updates/upgrades to Studio One. Specific delivery dates cannot be released at this time. As we approach the next version Upgrade, we will publish a notice.

2) The bug fixes & New Features for future updates/upgrades are constatntly being discussed by our development team.

3) We are aware of certain bugs & Feature Requests mentioned in the forum.

4) Please continue to send us Feature Requests for the next version update/upgrade.

The above words are not the exact word-for-word statements from the PreSonus forum mods but a sort of synopsis of the PreSonus approach to this issue.

There are three (3) or four (4) product representatives who frequently participate in forum discussions and those are the types of statements we regularly hear from them. One of them recently mentioned that a "hot" feature request would likely be included in the next upgrade but he made it clear that this was not a promise. I think it was that "slow down" effect that's native to Logic and available as a plug-in in Pro Tools. That's the kind of interaction users/customers receive from PreSonus.

So Peter: to the question of whether or not there will be a future version of ACID Pro, you say "If I could discuss our internal road map I would...". That is trully amazing.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:2/19/2012 5:01:24 PM

To Peter,

The above post is not a value judgement of you as a person or as a moderator or as a product representative (I'm not exactly sure what your job title is). (You have your orders and I'm sure you follow them to the letter.)

It is a value judgement of how Sony Creative Software has chosen to interact with its ACID Pro customers.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: pwppch

Date:2/19/2012 6:46:07 PM

FWIW, I am an engineer/developer.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Highway

Date:2/19/2012 9:20:44 PM

Smh. i check here hoping but... i moved on and was the biggest supporter. got tired of fighting the pro tools fam and made the jump permantly after 12 yrs.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/21/2012 9:48:14 AM

If I could discuss our internal road map I would.

That you have stated that there is - in fact - an internal road map - tends to lead me to believe that there is something going on. I guess that's better than no map at all :)

However - your cryptic response does not indicate whether of not that Acid is part of said road map. And the fact that you cannot even state that there will be an Acid Pro 8.x or whatever it's going to be called - does not bode well for any future for this product.

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: pwppch

Date:2/21/2012 6:35:05 PM

Not being cryptic.

Don't read so much into this.

It is as simple as SCS does not discuss future product releases or development plans. It has been this way since our Sonic Foundary days.

I understand your frustration.
.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:2/21/2012 8:13:27 PM

Guys, do give Peter a break. We are lucky to have him here, and if he was to let any cats out of bags (either diection, positive or negative), he would likey not be here any more.

geoff

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:2/21/2012 10:27:52 PM

Agree very much with Geoff.

There are a LOT of things in life that we just don't know about until they're here. ACID is one of them. You may not like that, but it's Sony's choice.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/22/2012 8:07:16 AM

It is as simple as SCS does not discuss future product releases or development plans. It has been this way since our Sonic Foundary days.

Peter,

I have been with you guys since the early SF days and I am well aware of how SCS/SF operates. However - I (we) are not reading things anything into this and no one is asking you to "divulge" anything of value like long range marketing plans, source code or anything else that would otherwise compromise yours or anyone else's ongoing development.

What we are trying to determine is a one word answer to a simple question that should be benign enough to warrant a response:

Does Acid have a future (in whatever form)?

Yes or No?

Obviously an answer of Yes would go a long way to satisfying my curiosity (and probably a lot of others). I promise not to ask anything else of you :)

I also understand the possible ramifications if the answer is actually no - and I also totally understand why you may not be able to actually state (in this public forum) why the answer is no.

However - if this simple question cannot be answered yes (which should breed nothing but excitement) or cannot be answered at all - then it's painfully clear (and not cryptic at all) where you and SCS stand on Acid.

It's been a long 3+ years now since the last major Acid release - that's a long time to leave the the gang hanging...

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:2/22/2012 12:50:20 PM

"It is as simple as SCS does not discuss future product releases or development plans. It has been this way since our Sonic Foundary days.

Peter"

While the above statement may be technically true, it is certainly intellectually disingenuous! My proof?

SCS sent me a request for input in their VEGAS PRO user survey a few days ago. Among the questions in the survey was to list four (4) new features I would like to see in VEGAS PRO (presumably for a FUTURE VERSION!!!![/I][/B]).

That is a defacto discussion of SCS development plans!

A reasonable person could walk away with the assumption that SCS is planning for a future version of VEGAS PRO. That is all that the ACID Pro customers are asking for at this time.

You virtually answered the question re: VEGAS Pro. Why can't you do the same thing re: ACID Pro?

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:2/22/2012 1:14:18 PM

"Guys, do give Peter a break. We are lucky to have him here, and if he was to let any cats out of bags (either diection, positive or negative), he would likey not be here any more.

geoff"

That is a valid assertion. Peter is an engineer involved with product development. AFAIK, he is not involved in Marketing or Program Management.

So, a fair and reasonable question is: "Why doesn't someone from SCS Marketing or Program Management come here on the forum and address this question"?

It is a Marketing & Program Management issue. SCS: YOU ARE LOOSING CUSTOMERS. DON'T YOU CARE?

You apparently care about your VEGAS Pro customers. Where is your concern for your ACID Pro customers?

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: rictheobscene

Date:2/23/2012 9:50:25 AM

Let's face it lads. Sony is a big company, and they are simply concerned about their revenue stream at this moment. The fact is, if Sony has already got your money, then they don't care about your satisfaction after the fact. We sit here on this forum, and make what Sony perceives to be idle threats about jumping ship. The fact that we are still here talking gives Sony the impression that if and when they release anything, we eagerly clamor for the privilege of paying them for another installment of substandard performance and dodgy treatment.

So, I have uninstalled Acid and Sound Forge and have successfully recreated any project I made in Acid in Reaper. If I could sell my Acid and Sound Forge licenses, I would. But for now, they will lie dormant on a hard drive somewhere.

I won't pay for another upgrade, I am simply fed up with this cat and mouse game.

I agree, it is not Peter's fault. He is simply an employee of a company and must follow the policy of the company. But, he should have never sold out to them in the first place.

Just my opinion.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/23/2012 12:38:18 PM

But, he should have never sold out to them in the first place.

Here here.

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:2/23/2012 2:55:46 PM

How did Peter, "sell out," considering ACID has been (and probably always will be) his baby? IIRC, Sonic Foundry sold the software line to Sony Creative (which wasn't actually Sony Creative at the time; that came later). Thankfully, the team went along with them and was absorbed into SCS. The software line just wasn't handed to anyone else.

If I also recall correctly, Peter's pretty much had control over ACID's direction ever since, at least development-wise.

Just curious.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/23/2012 4:00:59 PM

Peter's pretty much had control over ACID's direction ever since, at least development-wise.

If he is truly "in charge" of direction, dev and everything else ACID - then I cannot think of any reason whatsoever as to why my "question" cannot be answered.

If he cannot give a simple one word yes or no - then someone else is most definitely in charge.

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: pwppch

Date:2/23/2012 9:09:46 PM

@mD

No, I am not the 'controller' or lead of ACID. I have been part of ACID since the beginning. It was not my invention. The audio engine is common among all of our apps. I also was on Vegas since the beginning. I am now working on the forge team.

Scince I write the code, and am part of the team, I would like to think I have had some influence in it's development and the direction it went in.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: pwppch

Date:2/23/2012 9:19:32 PM

Selling out to them...hmmm...should I be offended?

Nope. I value what I do, and how I do it. I am not a VP and do not work for marketing, though I interact and work with them. I don't always agree with them, nor they with me.

SCS is a great place to work. We are but a small division of the giant SONY. Fundamentally we are a business.

I get a great level of satisfaction out of the work I do. I care more than you can imagine. I also earn a good living for my family. I believe our products are among the best. Yes we are missing features and stability is the thorn in every developers side.

If you are a Vegas user, we are moving to an agile approach to fixes and updates. More often and focused. (We also dropped the .a, .b, etc from updates.)

We are working very hard to improve our process and our products.

Nope. I didn't sell out.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:2/23/2012 10:39:22 PM

I guess he finally said it. acid pro is a scs product and...

"We are working very hard to improve our process and our products."

TADAAAA!!!!!!!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/23/2012 11:15:42 PM

"We are working very hard to improve our process and our products."

Sorry but still no answer to the simple question: Does Acid have a future?

Nary a yes or a no either way.

All I got see out of that response was that instead of any acknowledgement of any Acid work whatsoever - Peter seems to be working directly now with the Vegas product and getting that going in a more "agile" direction.

Actually - who am I kidding here. I have my answer. That is very obvious...

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: nedski

Date:2/24/2012 2:56:59 AM

CLUES TO THE FUTURE!

Peter stated that "I am now working on the forge team." That strongly implies that Sound Forge will continue to be developed.

I speculate that his statement "I have been part of ACID since the beginning" and "The audio engine is common among all of our apps" implies that Acid might possibly be merged with Sound Forge.

I for one would love to have a product that has all the features and power of ProTools AND has the ease of use of Sony Creative's software!

Okay Peter, you guys have the easy part, making killer software.... just kidding! Writing great software is extremely difficult!
Even writing crap software is not easy, I can't even write a batch/script file. :(

The hard part will be trying to make a cool, yet professional, sounding product name. ;-)
Acid Forge anybody? Sound&Midi Forge? Hey ProTools, Go Forge Yourself?

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: fatbenelton

Date:2/24/2012 5:25:17 AM

Hi all
Wow - this turned into a hot debate.

First thing, when I started this I never intended it to be a Sony bashing thread and especially not a Peter bashing thread. Peter has always been there supporting us and offering as much help and constructive advice as he can whilst feeding our concerns/requests etc into Sony. As a conduit he is a great asset and we should thank him and respect his position.

However, I would like to use this conduit to make an appeal regarding clarification of the future of Acid. Peter does know the answer but is undoubtedly constrained into how much can be said. I would ask you, Peter, to consider all that has been said and feed these concerns up the chain of command and ask your bosses to consider clarifying the question about Acid's future - it doesn't have to be specific, merely whether or not Sony is still looking into developing Acid (in some way)............

This would be a nice piece of customer service and a testament to Sony as a developer that supports & works with its user base and respects the investment that loyal users have made in it's products over the years.

all the best

Jon

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:2/24/2012 7:31:13 AM

I guess he finally said it...the only way he can...and still keep his job. think about it. a blanket statement is a fair way to answer the question when being restricted. others won't but I'll accept it as proof that they're working on it. and even if they are done with acid and sell it to another company it has no bearing on the music that I create right now.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/24/2012 10:44:28 AM

I never intended it to be a Sony bashing thread and especially not a Peter bashing thread

I am hoping that Peter doesn't see that asking a fairly critical question as "bashing". I respect Pete's work and his incredible support and always will. If he is off to another project - that project will only be stronger for it.

However bashing the Sony parent itself - I have no problem with that. The fact that they are either too terrified of fallout or using "muzzle" tactics to prevent anyone from discussing the future of this product is childish beyond belief.

Again - some of us have been with this product since V1 (like me) and after supporting it without hesitation issue for 10+ years - I think we deserve some sort of answer on direction here....

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:2/24/2012 12:13:54 PM

"I guess he finally said it...the only way he can...and still keep his job. think about it. a blanket statement is a fair way to answer the question when being restricted. others won't but I'll accept it as proof that they're working on it...

Kappeesh"

Definitely count me among the "others" because I have seen NO proof that SCS is working on and is planning to release a future ACID Pro update/upgrade. To me, his statement is proof that they are NOT working on it. The idea that they ARE working on a future upgrade but Peter has been admonished by Program Management to NOT acknowledge that they are working on it is ludicrous.

Please explain the substance of your beliefs? What statement causes you to believe that ACID Pro is still in development? Please elaborate on your so-called "proof".

ACID Music Studio has had recent updates/upgrades and appears to be selling well. ACID Pro, on the other hand, is quite a different matter. And that is the topic of this discussion.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:2/24/2012 12:47:48 PM

"I guess he finally said it. acid pro is a scs product and...

"We are working very hard to improve our process and our products."

TADAAAA!!!!!!!

Kappeesh"

That's your proof? OK. If that works for you...then fine.

For me, a + b <> c.

If he had said: "We are working very hard to improve our process and all our products including ACID Pro.", then I could agree with you.

I read his statement as nothing more than "Corporate Happy Talk". It's the same boilerplate happy talk that all companies say. You could go to virtually every Corporate/Company website and find the same or at least similar words.

The Product Rep for EMU's Emulator X3 said the same thing three (3) months before Emulator X3 was cancelled/archived. In fact, the Emu X3 situation has an erie parallel to the way things appear to be shaping up with ACID Pro.

For about a year, users were complaining about the lack of updates and were speculating that product development had stopped. Periodically, EMU Bruce would come on the forum and scoff at the notion that Emu X3 had been cancelled. At the same time, retailers were showing it as "cancelled" or "no longer available" on their web sites.

Well...long story-short... a few months later Creative posted the notice that Emu X3 had been archived on their support page. Bruce never returned to the Emu X forum.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:2/24/2012 1:21:01 PM

"working on it" ... whatever that ends up meaning.
hey Peter...care to interject?

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:2/24/2012 1:38:59 PM

@Kappeesh,

The above two (2) posts were not directed at Peter. They were directed at you!

I think I understand where Peter is coming from. I want to understand your extreme loyalty to SCS and your faith that they care about you, as an ACID Pro customer.

I'm not trying to embarrass you. You joined the conversation and expressed a strong opinion that I don't understand. I'm just looking for enlightenment (and of course, a little entertainment).

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:2/24/2012 1:49:40 PM

I've said all I need to say. and I still welcome Peter's comments on this topic. it was his statement that provoked my comment anyway.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:2/24/2012 4:37:15 PM

OK. Thanks for being a good sport.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: LittleStudios

Date:2/24/2012 10:45:50 PM

I wonder how much of this discussion is based on current Acid users expecting an upgrade discount. For instance, hypothetically, if SONY finally released Acid Pro 8 or at the very least pricing information for Acid Pro 8 and it turned out that there was no longer going to be an Upgrade Discount and there would be a price increase, how would this conversation be different?

I ask myself that question. I've tried other brands while I've been waiting for Acid Pro 8. I really like Reaper. I wonder, have I not jumped ship because I'm waiting to see if upgrading to Acid Pro 8 would be cheaper than switching brands?

Just a thought, not trying to ruffle feathers.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/25/2012 12:06:20 PM

I wonder how much of this discussion is based on current Acid users expecting an upgrade discount.

Not sure about anyone else - but money is not on the radar for me. I am solely concerned about not having ANYTHING to buy at all...regardless of price.

All I want to know is: Is ACID headed into the sunset or not?

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: buckaroo

Date:2/25/2012 3:30:22 PM

"I speculate that his statement "I have been part of ACID since the beginning" and "The audio engine is common among all of our apps" implies that Acid might possibly be merged with Sound Forge."


This would be good to do all editing and sequecing like in SF and Acid Pro all in the one app?

I personally left Acid years ago, as this debate relives all the frustrations with Peter's answers that we used to get, and the long gaps between updates, hoping that the users will blindly upgrade with their money...

Things like Ableton and especially Reaper now do all that Acid does and more, but as an original fan, I still use Acid Pro 3.0 for old time's sake and that was when it was Sonic Foundry (which I much prefered Forge and Acid under SF), but more and more I'm finding Acid a little redundant on my system,

I don't use Acid at all for any MIDI (had bad experiences, and in the end use better products) so that audio looping side is fine for me, preferring to do my midi and VST's elsewhere on a more stable DAW and import into Acid at the end for beatmatching :)


The merging of products at Sony would get me interested and would get me to take a look again.

However I think Reaper could catch up just as quick these days with Area Selection and editing alongside its looping which is very similar to acid's now and sometimes surpasses it..

I don't think it will be long until Reaper becomes an Acid/SoundForge mixture plus more.. as its very close at the moment. (and Reaper is great on the Mac, which I know Sony will never go near )

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:2/26/2012 3:16:20 PM

"I speculate that his statement "I have been part of ACID since the beginning" and "The audio engine is common among all of our apps" implies that Acid might possibly be merged with Sound Forge."

This had me wondering too. But still...how does one merge the two (or three if we include Vegas) without it becoming some menu-heavy monster? Meh. I've been surprised before.

Doesn't affect my music-making ability any in the end. I'm still using it. /shrug lol

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:2/26/2012 4:00:13 PM

I can't ever see the timelines of the three merging. They're too different in function and capabilities. For that matter Sound Forge is already "integrated" in both ACID and Vegas by virtue of the fact that you can right-mouse-button click on an event and open in Sound Forge. I suppose the integration could be a little tighter if Sound Forge popped up in a window on the screen similar to the piano roll editor. Maybe each event could be "edited" as if it's a tiny Sound Forge window with a context menu or floating toolbar. Yeah, i could see Sound Forge becoming a tool within ACID, but i can't see how the two would co-mingle at the top UI level. Same thing applies to Sound Forge within Vegas, of course.

Now, Vegas & ACID merging, that would be much more interesting. I'll admit that i have almost no use whatsoever for ACID as all my work is acoustic and Vegas provides a much friendlier layout for acoustic work. Vegas has also been years ahead of ACID in offering the tools i need. Just about every time i see someone asking for an acoustic tool in ACID it's something i've already been able to do in Vegas many versions ago.

I've always thought that there should be an option in ACID for "Vegas style" tracks. A track that lets you put whatever you want on it without being affected by the ACID editing paradigm. One-shot is sorta getting there, as with the later versions allowing multiple different clips on the same track. But, editing in a Vegas track is still much more fluid.

Or, of course, conversely, add full ACID-capability tracks in Vegas. Maybe it could be handled the same way that nested projects work now, except that opening up the nested track would bring up ACID instead of another Vegas session. Yep, we can sort of do this now by rendering a WAV in ACID and using that in Vegas, and any changes in ACID that are re-rendered will automatically be integrated into the Vegas project. But it would be nice for Vegas to play ACID tracks natively without needing the intermediate render. It would be so much easier to make the necessary changes to the ACID sequence right there on the Vegas timeline.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:2/26/2012 5:27:34 PM

It would ruin each application to attempt to merge them. They are completely different.

Sound Forge is an Editor, Acid is a DAW, and Vegas is an NLE (and effectively a 'DAW without MIDI').

Acid is already hugely complicated, and to blend with Vegas would destroy Vegas's elegant straightforwardness. And add even more compleity to Acid.

geoff

geoff

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: nedski

Date:2/26/2012 11:15:00 PM

@ Geoff Wood

I didn't really speculate that Vegas and Acid might be merged, I speculated that Acid might be merged with Sound Forge.

You are right that the Vegas user interface could be destroyed by incorporating the Acid or Sound Forge UI.

I would like for the merged Acid/Sound Forge product to be MORE like the Vegas UI, the Acid and Sound Forge UI's seem clunky to me compared to the Vegas UI.

I would lobby Sony to have two extremely powerful products, one primarily video and the other for music/sound editing, similar to what Avid has with Media Composer and ProTools. Adobe doesn't have a major music/sound editing presence, at least I don't think they do. Apple's commitment to high-end powerful video and music/sound editing is anybody's guess right now!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:2/27/2012 3:23:25 PM

"Adobe doesn't have a major music/sound editing presence, at least I don't think they do..."

Well..., yeah they do have one but I wouldn't call it major. It's called "Audition" (formerly known as Cool Edit Pro). It's been around for a very long time (in "dog years", e.g., in music software years) but it never seem to get much penetratrion into the DAW world in terms of percentage of users.

"I would lobby Sony to have two extremely powerful products, one primarily video and the other for music/sound editing..."

I would add "Music Mastering" to the list. Sound Forge is already a very fine Mastering program for PC.

Some of the things that drew me to Presonus' Studio One Pro was it's great list of DAW features, it's Editing features, it's ease of use/work flow and the fact that it has a Mastering/CD burning section. The Melodyne integration was the thing that put me over the top and caused me to break-out the plastic. (Not so much for the T-Pain effect but for the fact the Melodyne can do Polyphonic Pitch-to-MIDI conversion. That alone, was worth the "price of admission"). Presonus has shown that they place a high priority on customer satisfaction.

It's fun to speculate, but I'm not holding out much hope for a future version of ACID Pro. I've pretty much moved on and participate in disucssions like these for the entertainment value. In order for me to buy an ACID Pro upgrade, it would have to include "some" great new features that aren't available in Studio One or any of the other DAWs I own (Cubase, Sonar & Pro Tools LE).

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/27/2012 4:11:56 PM

It's fun to speculate, but I'm not holding out much hope for a future version of ACID Pro. I've pretty much moved on and participate in disucssions like these for the entertainment value.

+1

I completed my move to Studio One several months back and do all of my work exclusively in that application now.

Even if ACID did actually show up again in some new future form....I seriously doubt it would matter to me now - given what the competition is doing and continues to do.

You can't take 3+ years off and remain a player....

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: buckaroo

Date:2/27/2012 4:12:55 PM

""It's fun to speculate, but I'm not holding out much hope for a future version of ACID Pro. I've pretty much moved on and participate in disucssions like these for the entertainment value. In order for me to buy an ACID Pro upgrade, it would have to include "some" great new features that aren't available in Studio One or any of the other DAWs I own (Cubase, Sonar & Pro Tools LE).""

I'd agree with this also, I like to come here to see how things are progressing but I don't hold much hope and can't see myself using a new version of Acid if its just the same old program, when Reaper beats it hands down now..

I would only be tempted if a multi-track SF and Acid Combination for editing would surface as we mention..

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: pwppch

Date:2/27/2012 6:49:12 PM

So you hang out for "entertainment value" but still expect me to take you seriously?

I really figured it was something more along the line of this.

As long as you keep it civil, I won't have any problems. Just don't expect me to participate.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: fatbenelton

Date:2/28/2012 10:37:18 AM

Hi Peter

Any thoughts on cascading the requests for clarification upstairs?

I know this thread has got a bit tetchy but there are a lot of loyal, committed Acid customers just looking for some guidance..............

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: pwppch

Date:2/28/2012 5:36:01 PM

I always ask. Nothing to report.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: StephenM

Date:2/29/2012 6:59:27 AM

I can't believe I read all the posts in this thread... anyway...

1. Some of you are attacking the wrong person! Peter is a developer, not the director of marketing or the project manager.

2. If you are able to read between the lines, you will see Vegas PRO is where Sony Creative is going. My guess is that components of ACID will be merged into that product and ACID will die a slow death. I work in IT (not as someone who fixes computers but someone who develops solutions) and you tend to put your best people on the projects you care most about (VEGAS PRO, SOUNDFORGE). The fact that Peter has been working with ACID since the beginning speaks volumes to his contribution and value to his company. The guy isn't a sell-out - he is an employee with a family to care for. It is good for him that he is contributing on a product that has a future (VEGAS PRO). After all, one of his top priorities is caring for his family.

3. EVEN IF a new version of ACID was being released, who would want to use it???? I'm sorry, but I bailed a year ago when I switched to MASCHINE for beat making (and REAPER for DAW). Simply move on. ACID was fun while it lasted but anybody with any kind of sense can see the writing on the wall - it appears to be on the sunset list and a handful of ACID users won't justify paying for salaries, R&D and marketing. In fact, I used to be embarrassed to tell other producers I used ACID - it was like admitting that I use a VCR to record shows still. So, even if a new version was released, I would not go back. Again, the writing is on the wall.

So...... please consider and accept that ACID is going away. At least then if a new version pops up, you'll be pleasantly surprised, right? :)

(BTW, I shared many of the same frustrations until after I switched to something else. So glad I did too.)


Stephen

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:2/29/2012 2:12:34 PM

So...... please consider and accept that ACID is going away. At least then if a new version pops up, you'll be pleasantly surprised, right? :)

I will only accept something when I am treated with just the tiniest bit of respect. After supporting this project for 10 years - I think we deserve an honest answer (from somebody) on the future of this app.

If Acid is truly "going away" then someone just say so. If there's a future - in whatever form that may be (and any details whatsoever of that future is NOT what I am asking about) then simply simply say "yes"

Yet - after all the asking - still nothing from nobody.

Finally - we are not attacking Peter. But he is the only official conduit to anything over there. That he cannot answer my question tells me that the higher ups have a total muzzle on this thing.

Oh well...it was fun while it lasted...

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Matt_Iserman

Date:3/2/2012 2:34:01 AM

If you are working on Acid Pro 8, please release it on April 1st. That would be hilarious.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: fatbenelton

Date:3/5/2012 3:27:54 AM

I always ask. Nothing to report.

Peter



So let's keep this on the front page of the forum by keeping this thread alive. It seems that Sony don't have much respect for loyalty and seem to think that users and other interested parties can be treated however they please.......Perhaps it doesn't matter and I'm sure it will have little impact but nevertheless I'd like this thread to be a niggling reminder that we are still here asking for some info...................

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:3/15/2012 12:59:12 PM

AS a long time user of the Sonic Foundry and Sony products (ACID Pro, Vegas, and Sound Forge (and CineScore! :-D ) I too have been waiting a LONG time to see an ACID update. Vegas however, has been a great to watch unfold! I am a professional editor, and I have really enjoyed having Vegas blossom into a truly professional tool.

But, I agree with the frustration here - many of us would like to keep using the ACID workflow and familiar interface, but would like some updates, and many of us are moving to other apps to satisfy those needs. Sony is going to LOSE it's semi-professional user base completely if it doesn't throw us a bone soon.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:3/16/2012 7:17:49 AM

As if in response to my post yesterday, I found that Acoustica is offering MixCraft 5 PRO bundle for the unbelievable "half price" of $99 with a FREE upgrade to version 6 when it is launched! The included VST bundle alone is worth that investment, so I pulled the trigger.

I'm still a Vegas evangelist (the only professional editor I know of in this town that uses Vegas) but ACID is becoming a secondary app for me. :-(

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Marc1

Date:3/16/2012 9:19:34 AM

Sony not giving their acid pro faithful customers some sort of heads up on if anything is in the works is all I needed to see that it was time to move away from anything Sony.I took the plunge on Studio one 2 and am loving it.64 bit rocks. My only regret is waisting money and time on Sony by not doing this sooner.I probably will never buy ANYTHING Sony again.Their workers and help staff were great,but their executives and decision makers are not.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:3/20/2012 4:10:16 PM

this would be even better...AP8 coming out with Windows 8. those crazy marketing people...and all this time it was microsoft's fault...doh!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:3/20/2012 10:39:10 PM

Marc, with all due respect, I think it is a bit childish to dismiss everything SONY because they are most likely discontinuing ACID Pro. Vegas is a great program and I can get the results I need faster than I was getting on my AVID system. I understand that it does "hurt" when one becomes loyal to a product and continues to support a company for years, or maybe decades and then suddenly realizes that we are each just one person in a sea of millions of customers and that the company doesn't really care what you think or value you individually. It is the way of things. We are first and foremost CONSUMERS - our wallets, are, in the end, all that matter to any company.
I'm going through that right now with Sprint - after 12 years as a customer, they have recently done away with their "preferred customer" status and are offering much, much, much better deals to brand new customers than they will offer to me. It's sad really. I recently started a new project for scoring a film (in ACID) which prompted my current interest in the status of ACID Pro 8. Unfortunately I ended up here in this thread realizing that all good things must come to an end. My Mixcraft bundle just arrived and although I'm still not quite yet convinced that it is "the one" that will woo me from ACID for good, it is an unbelievable bundle for less than $100 and the Plugins and VSTi's alone were worth the price.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Marc1

Date:3/20/2012 11:28:45 PM

What you call "childish,"I call a wise decision.If Sony doesn't give two hoots about losing their base of 'loyal' customers ,then what else are they capable of ?Smarten up.I kinda feel bad for ya, but then again I dont.Because of the way Sony went about to abandoning their Acid pro user's, my only pay back to how truly rotten that is ,is for me to not give them my money or business,and to let as many of my musician friends know the same thing,so they wont pay for a product that is being phased out.And if someone like you interprets that as childish then that's your problem not mine.With all due respect.And Studio one blows them all away!!That's the only tip I'll give ya.But try the trial and see for yourself ?Their endless video tutorials alone,are worth the $300 for the Pro version.And everything plays nice with it,cant say that about Acid pro 7 now, can you ?Who knows,maybe Sony will get their act together ?I hope they do,but I'm done holding my breath.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:3/21/2012 12:37:23 PM

I think we are talking about two different things here, Marc. You are obviously disappointed about the situation with ACID (as am I) but I think the decision to boycott all things SONY simply because they are doing away with ACID is a bit over-wrought and yes, childish. I work in media production for a living and abandoning VEGAS or Sony Audio & Video equipment altogether would cost hundreds and thousands of dollars, not to mention a learning curve for FInal Cut Pro or Premiere or Avid - and to do all of that because they discontinue ACID? Not really a wise decision. Just recently, for the price of the upgrade from Vegas 9 to 10 ($149), I was able to land a $6000 closed captioning job, and Vegas is the only NLE that does that without expensive add ons. I don't think I'll be abandoning Sony as a company just because ACID is going away.

Some things to keep in mind about Sony software:
1. Upgrade prices are always reasonable.
2. You can de-activate your license and sell your used software. I don't know of ANYONE else that lets you do that!
3. Customer/Tech support in my experience has been OUTSTANDING. Not so with companies like CAKEWALK or EastWest.
4. This forum! - If you were to post some of the complaints we have posted here in the forum at say, EastWest (a VSTi company) they would delete your posts and send you a warning!!

I've had a long history with Sony, and ALL software companies CAN and WILL do this to loyal customers. It's unfortunate and it's really too bad that ACID has languished and will soon be gone.

You are right about other DAW's being far ahead of where ACID is in many ways, which is why we are all looking for new packages. I looked at Studio One, but was enticed by the MixCraft bundle. SONAR 7 and Cubase LE are just sitting on my system doing nothing. I've tried Reaper as well, but haven't bought a license yet. ACID is just EASY to get moving with, and I really wish they would have just continued to keep making it better. :-(

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:3/21/2012 1:51:11 PM

"...which is why we are all looking for new packages."

bcomplex, just fyi, I am not looking for any new "package". acid pro 7 rocks and I will continue to use it for the next 10 years with no problem. I really liked the intelligent reply you gave marc. but I think that you could have replaced "childish" with "unwise" and diverted any misunderstanding. that said, it would also be a good idea to reconsider all inclusive statements. keep rockin vegas! sounds like you're doing a great job.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: deusx

Date:3/22/2012 8:10:08 AM

Looking for a new package

with new plugins and features

that will conceal my suckage

Gimme, gimme more technology

I need more 'cause you see

I know nothing about musicology

I need, yes I need this magic software

to do things for me

without it I'm so lost

I might as well go and drown myself in the sea.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:3/23/2012 8:30:18 AM

Interesting take deusx, and a well-worn argument that somehow wanting new features or workflow enhancements indicates a lack of skill or talent on the part of the end user, but I don't think that is necessarily true. I assume then, that you must still be working in ACID 1.0? I actually have a copy of ACID 2.0 lying around here somewhere, but I wouldn't go back to it from ACID Pro 7. Thank God they kept improving the software to continue to "conceal my own personal suckage" - I dodged that bullet!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: inocmusic

Date:3/23/2012 11:33:08 AM

While I agree that a new version of ACID Pro for it's own sake will not improve the output of your creativity, the platform you choose should at least not impede your efforts.

From what I have experienced myself and am continuing to see in threads like this one is that ACID Pro is now becoming an impediment to creativity to many people.

ACID Pro was last patched 3 years ago in order to make it more compatible with Vista as it was developed on XP. You can't buy XP anymore and anyone who has bought a machine in the last couple of years probably has win 7 as an OS and it's better than 50/50 that it will be 64 bit to take advantage of more RAM

Almost all of my Plugins and VSTi are now 64 bit, my operating system is 64 bit but ACID is crippled within that setup. It can be run in 32 bit mode but was for me buggy and very prone to random crashing which is terrible for music creating.
More and more of my plugs cannot work, or wok in some limited mode within ACID. They have moved on, ACID has not and it seems with each update of the peripheral software ACID becomes less compatible and less usable

I was ready for an upgrade six to eight months ago. My old PC Finally died and XP or Vista just didn't make sense. ACID updates didn't happen and no news was forthcoming and so I was forced to move on in order to be able to continue to make music the way I wanted to.

My new DAW does not improve the sound of my music but it does allow me to make music without constant crashes and lock ups, with the full use of the VST/VSTi I have chosen to use and with the full power of the RAM I have paid for in my system. ACID does not and so it had to go. It had become the weak link in my recording and mixing chain.

I'm academically interested to see where ACID goes (If anywhere) but at this point I would not pay for a new version, It's too late for me and I've already been forced to move to a competitor to be able to continue to make music. That saddened me since I cut my teeth DAW recording with ACID but not enough to stop me from finding a more viable and compatible solution.
I guess if you're comfortable that your XP or vista machine will keep running forever and that plugin/VSTi/interface manufacturers will continue to make 32bit versions and drivers even as the platform is abandoned then there is no need to get any upgrade from ACID Pro 7. That did not turn out to be the case for me however

OF course YMMV

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:3/23/2012 12:05:18 PM

Great post inocmusic, and it reflects my situation as well. Vegas has continued to be developed in a way that takes ADVANTAGE of these new opportunities in processing power, while ACID leaves me wanting, not because it doesn't "work" but because it doesn't allow me to take full advantage of all the tools I have in the most efficient way.

Which DAW did you end up going with?

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: inocmusic

Date:3/23/2012 12:13:49 PM

@b.complex

I went with REAPER

I always liked ACID because I found the workflow and routing somewhat similar to a hardware desk and so logical to my poor little mind

I found REAPER to have very similar workflow, even more flexible routing and none of the limitations that I was increasingly running into within ACID Pro

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:3/23/2012 12:38:50 PM

I have a demo of REAPER on my machine, but have not bought the license (yet) - I tried to open KONTAKT in Reaper and it crashed the first time so I just moved on. Maybe I should try it again. I also just got a copy of Mixcraft and it is a nice little app as well.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Marc1

Date:3/23/2012 5:08:47 PM

Couldnt of said it better incomusic.I too cut my teeth on Acid pro so I will always have a place in my heart for it, but with all the aggravations and crashes, I also kinda look at it as my ex wife.But I still learned a lot.And all those learning lesons are helping me now with my new DAW and my second wife.Also if ya want a great sofware program that can make your 32 bit plugins and VST to work in 64 bit check out jbridge for $20. :-> http://jstuff.wordpress.com/

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Marc1

Date:3/23/2012 5:23:19 PM

And b.complex I get what your saying.But I'm not as computer savvy as you so it took A lot of brain power for me to learn Acid pro 7 and it really fries my ass that they can just abandon their base like that.With NO explanation's.Boycotting them is my way of saying screw you,if their making me pay a price, then they'll pay a price by not getting my business.And if I really needed something that Sony has I still reserve the right to get it.I'm glad you like veges but that dosnt help me or Acid pro 7 users.And since when is boycotting a product out of protest, childish ?Isn't that part of the American way ?What do you do when your not happy with a company,keep supporting them ?And you really should try Studio one Pro V2 .

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:3/24/2012 9:08:27 AM

Hey Marc, I spent part of last evening checking out Studio One online and it does indeed look like a fantastic package! The drag and drop workflow seems really robust and I admit that I am very tempted by it. The thing for me is that I have kind of built my professional skill set around the Sony Products. Don't get me wrong, I have edited with AVID and I am familiar with the Adobe Products (currently teaching myself After Effects) but for video and audio work, Vegas and Sound Forge have been go-to apps for me and I really couldn't see abandoning Sony altogether - Vegas alone is just that GOOD (IMO of course).

I don't know about being computer savvy, I just want my music creation tool to be simple, easy to use, and logical, and ACID was the first time I ever sat down and just started making music immediately. I had invested in my first DAW Cakewalk Pro Audio 6 (!!!) back in the 90's and tried to get along with the Cakewalk / SONAR paradigm for years, but ACID was like a watershed for me, well, after they upped the MIDI capabilities. :-)

Over the years I've tried lots of stuff, but ACID was my go to tool, and kind of still is - but I'm trying to branch out. I have a copy of Cubase LE on my machine (came with the audio interface) and SONAR 7. I've downloaded REAPER and just dropped $99 on Mixcraft (which, even if I don't end up liking, the VSTi's and plugins that came with it justify the price IMO) so, I may yet buy a REAPER license or invest in Studio One or some other platform- I don't know. It really IS disappointing to me that ACID is going away, but other software companies have treated me much, much worse over the course of my involvement with them, and VEGAS has continued to turn heads in professional circles - so I have to give Sony a little bit of a pass on ACID. :-(

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Marc1

Date:3/29/2012 11:22:41 PM

The more I learn Studio one V2 the more it blows me away bcomplex.For example when you lay an instrument track down with the MANY instruments and sounds that comes with it,if you press the overdub button it allows you to immediately add on notes to what you just laid down .Acid has the step midi but this in a one click right in front of your face easy.Also with the presence keyboard that comes with it ,it will recognize and play nice with ANY fonts you get, even free ones,and with $20 for jbridge, all my 32 bit plug ins and vst's work,including one that i got with acid pro5, but for some reason acid pro 7 wouldn't allow it.Also plays kitcore 32 bit with no problems so far.Acid will always will be my first love(and I'll still use it from time to time) but I have so much fun now with this new one.NONE of the other DAWS can come close in my humble opinion.Cant wait for them to make improvements,but I'm loving the fact that I got in fairly early.They did this one right. The only negative is Sony has a better support, Presonus is good but the people at Sony always let me call and ask a question and they always helped me.I hope Sony makes a comeback.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:4/2/2012 10:45:22 AM

Studio One has me intrigued. I've been messing with REAPER, but to all of the fanboys of REAPER, I'd like to know a couple of things:

1. How can I draw velocity curves in the MIDI editor?
2. How do you extract a groove from a clip of audio like ACID does with the groove tool?
3. Is there a groove/feel tool like the groove paint too in ACID for manipulating a track?

Just curious.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:4/11/2012 9:58:18 PM

Marc,

I took the plunge. I found a deal online where I got Presonus Studio One V2 PRO for 185.00! It arrived today. It is a legit copy with legit serial. I think it was an "overstock" or something. I couldn't pass it up. I've been VERY impressed with the online tutorials, and REAPER has left me a little confused. I had a couple of good voice over gigs this month, so I took the plunge. I'm excited to see how it goes...

Cheers,
b.complex

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:4/12/2012 1:22:07 PM

"I took the plunge... I got Presonus Studio One V2 PRO..."

b.complex

I like Presonus Studio One too (said the guy speaking on the Sony ACID forum). It has an easy "Workflow" and a very powerful "Feature Set". AND most importantly, the developers are constantly working on improvements and they regularly discuss feature requests with users.

But, just like any other software product, S1 is not perfect. There are a few feature requests that I'm sure will be implemented soon. Such as: 1) Improved VSTi output routing, 2) MIDI List Editor, and a few others that are found in other DAWs.

On the S1 forum, a strong "Anti-Bloat" lobby has emerged but I think the "Expanded Feature Set" crew are winning the day.

The good news is, the developers are listening to the users and are diligently working towards providing customer satisfaction. How do we know this?

1) From the current state of the product.
2) From the discussions & developer feedback on the forum.
3) From the regular stream of updates and improvements.

Another example of #3 above can be found in Sony VEGAS Pro. Which brings us back to one of the themes of this Thread: why isn't that true with Sony ACID Pro? Why are there no updates or improvements?

Some have said "ACID Pro 7 doesn't need improvements". Others have said "ACID Pro needs improvements but development appears to have ceased". What does SCS say? "We're not at liberty to discuss future development plans".

[que the laugh track...hold 3 seconds...now que to the applause track, the show theme music, the credit roll and the announcement of the next webisode.]

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: 519tbarr

Date:4/16/2012 12:17:19 PM

Anyone holding out any hope for a new Acid Pro version, today or the length of the NAB time would be the day. Anyone also notice acid planet.com has taken the contest out of the contest/main header on the site today? Just showing an acid planet logo!
Come on Sony!!! Give the people what they want!!! Acid Pro 8! 64 bit enabled, tones of new plugins and better CPU processing on the code side!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:4/16/2012 2:40:06 PM

"Anyone holding out any hope for a new Acid Pro version, today or the length of the NAB time would be the day..."

519tbarr

Yeah...what he said!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: 519tbarr

Date:4/16/2012 8:22:16 PM

I have to admit, I laughed when I read my post from earlier today. That is what happens when you are at work waiting, anticipating a new Acid Pro. I just hope I'm not sadly disappointed like HP and the web OS debacle. I've been dabbling in a lot of Daw software as of late because of work demands.
Acid Pro functionally and intuitively is the best software available. Simple, easy UI allowing me to focus on what matters most. The music. The 64 bit lack of functionality is a pain and becoming a problem.
Day 1 of NAB and no announcements for Sony creative software.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:4/17/2012 7:02:30 AM

I am convinced that ACID is dead. I still have Pro 7 on my machine and probably always will, because it is so easy to get up and running with something on ACID. But the fact that it is no longer carried by the major retailers and is listed as "discontinued" says a lot. I did check various forums last night to see if there was a new ACID Pro 8 out there, but it is as I expected. Studio One is where I'm headed.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: 519tbarr

Date:4/17/2012 11:06:05 AM

So far as far as I know, NO announcements from Sony Creative Software, unless it's happening as I speak. The only thing i got in my inbox early this morning was an email from Sony about 3rd party partners, toontrack, izotope and so on - 20% off.

I have been checking this link:
http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/mkt-nab/mkt-nab12sonycreativesoftware/
to see if anything changes on Sony's end. It's dedicated to NAB.

I don't know about you, but as far as retailers, the only software i can ever find on the shelves from Sony, are the STUDIO/entry level software packages. Being a Canuck - there has never been a real Sony presence in our music retailers i.e.: Long & McQuade, Steve's Music. I do recall seeing Acid Pro 7 @ Long & McQuade but that was after it was released early on 2010.

Day 2 of the NAB - where is the Sony Creative Software announcement that was emailed to the mailing base in early March? 2 more days to go!

For me i have to admit - if I have no choice and Sony Creative Software drops the ball on pretty brilliant software - I'm heading to Pro Tools 10. I've been using the demo - its definitely quirky in feel but I'm sure I can match the learning curve.

Having said that...

SONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Give the people what they want!
Give us a killer update to Acid Pro....
Blow our speakers up....

There is no denying - the reviews for Acid Pro 7 were positive from
mix online.com and soundonsound - but that was 2 and 1/2 years ago.
Make Acid Pro the best it can be in 2012 and put the money behind it to market it.

That's my Rant!
Horn's Up!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: inocmusic

Date:4/17/2012 7:49:11 PM

Actually Pro 7 was released in Oct 2008, the sound on sound review was in April 2009 and the last patch to improve windows Vista compatibility was early Feb 2010 so Sony has been completely dark on this product for over 2 years and 2 months.
I wasn't expecting anything at NAB, It's never really been about ACID in the past and there has been no activity in the ACID arena for so long I don't see this year as being a likely format for a new release

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: 519tbarr

Date:4/18/2012 11:23:14 AM

Your comments are true. 3 and 1/2 year old software, Pretty crazy. How many other versions of DAW's have been released in that time frame.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: fatbenelton

Date:5/27/2012 12:52:05 PM

Peter _on another thread you came out and confirmed that Acid is not dead.................

Can you elaborate on this? Does this include Pro versions?

thanks

Jon

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: pwppch

Date:5/27/2012 6:59:00 PM

@Jon

No, I cannot elaborate.

Peter

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: 519tbarr

Date:5/30/2012 10:55:48 AM

If any update to Acid Pro is not a professional version, and not 64x supported - unfortunately this will be the end of the road for me using Acid Pro. Sad as I recently paid for this software this year, only to find out through these forums that development of Acid Pro as a whole seems to have grounded to a halt.
In the meantime, I have purchased Studio One 2 and Pro Tools 10 and am waiting to see where the dust settles with Sony Creative Software. At least I have options in the event that Sony kills Acid Pro.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Highway

Date:5/30/2012 5:06:00 PM

their are times that a person may outgrow the software that they are used to. i think that is what has happened to me and acid pro. i still use vegas pro but now for my business i use pro tools 10. very easy to use if you go from studio to studio. i think sony should focus on younger generation of music making genre like the dubstep scene and work closer with native instruments. for the ones that are still around we always had two choices. stick around or pack it in or leave.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: 519tbarr

Date:6/6/2012 8:03:17 AM

WHERE IS THE NEXT VERSION OF ACID PRO???

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:6/6/2012 10:17:39 AM

It's been confirmed that no 64-bit version of ACID is in the pipeline now or in the foreseeable future.

Many online retailers list ACID Pro as "discontinued".

Sony will not say whether or not ACID is discontinued, only vague assertions that "the program has a future".

Many of us here are convinced that ACID has at worst, already been discontinued, or at best it has been abandoned by Sony and we have moved on to other applications, trying to keep a working copy of ACID Pro 7 on our 64 bit machines for old times sake. I think that is the way to go here.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:6/6/2012 5:25:47 PM

I demand 128-bit AcidPro 9 NOW !

... despite AcidPro 7 doing for me everything it was advertised to.

Yes, it would be nice to see further development.


geoff

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: DrLumen

Date:6/6/2012 11:06:50 PM

Well, I am looking to upgrade from Acid MS8 to something better due to the stability problems and lack of features in MS8.

Since there appears to be stability issues in 7 and Pro 8 does not appear to even be on the horizon, I guess I'll have to buy something else.

I really don't want to get stuck again like I did with Cinescore.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: b.complex

Date:6/7/2012 8:22:29 AM

To be honest, as some have said, ACID does what it says it will do and does it well - which is why it has so many fans to begin with. I think what many of us love is the easy workflow - drag, drop, paint, snap, groove modify, GO! and the easy to understand interface.

That said, if you are after something similar for an affordable price, check out REAPER - it actually looks and feels more like ACID than just about anything else and it costs about $60 but has a ton of features and is 64-bit.

Or you can purchase ACID 7 knowing that this may be the final version of our beloved little app.

Or you can move on. Many of us have adopted PreSonus Studio One as our way forward. I've just got mine set up and haven't used it yet, but it seems to be a great way forward. Most current DAW's do 99% of what ACID did anyway - it's just about the workflow and familiarity.

As for problems? most of my problems went away after I did a fresh, clean install of Windows 7 64 and then downloaded a ton of updates. Then installed my apps (including ACID Pro 7) and it seems to be more stable than it was in Vista! I think that had more to do with clearing the registry than anything else. Sony's products also depend heavily on the Microsoft C++ 2005 redistributable pack and the .net framework. Making sure those are installed properly and up to date helped a ton as well.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: buckaroo

Date:6/7/2012 9:03:50 AM

As b.complex says either move on or keep using Acid for what its good at.

I feel sorry for the users who are waiting for 64-bit and countless updates to bring it kicking and screaming into the 21st century as it must be frustrating..

I myself have only ever used Acid as a loop tool and never for MIDI, VST's or sequencing.

Therefore I stuck at SF Acid 3.0 and its brilliant and solid as it did so little, with no plug ins, but did the looping very well.

I have moved on and do my VST's and MIDI in other apps, mainly Logic, REAPER (which has stolen Acid's thunder in every way) and Ableton Live.

I'm not moving from Acid 3.0 as everything i tired above this seem to crash, so therefore I stayed at the point when Acid was solid for me.

I couldn't care less if it is dead, as so many things have surpassed it - but can understand you all being frustrated with the Sony "no answer" lets keep them guessing policy!!!

And as of today, BIAS PEAK has died, and is no longer operating... if only Sound Forge was mac compatible...

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:6/7/2012 4:02:58 PM

You can download AcidPro7 as a demo and see is it works for you without problems on your system, before making any decision...

Problems running in 64-bit Windows are not universal.

geoff

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: 519tbarr

Date:8/13/2012 10:39:26 AM

Although that may be true - there is a known compatibility issue that Windows reports in Win 7 64x - with SP 1 installed. (also no way of resolving the issue.) It came up in my Windows error reports. Un-installing SP1 seems to solve it.
Windows 8 is now just 2 months away.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8

Reply by: levijudah

Date:10/28/2012 4:22:34 PM

If you want to know about any further development on Acid Pro 8. your best bet is to join up on the Mac Forums. Sony doesn't hang out here any more!