Subject:Acid

Posted by: BACKBEAT69

Date:12/4/2011 8:42:55 AM

why are we always looking for more upgrades or a new version Acid 8.Do we like spending money for the sake of a few new tweeks? Acid been around for a long while now, I been with them since Acid 1.I'm sure when they are ready we will have Acid 8 and it will again be a top of the line product.Keep faith people

Subject:RE: Acid

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:12/5/2011 9:51:19 AM

why are we always looking for more upgrades or a new version Acid 8.

Well - it's hard for most of us to justify the fact that the ENTIRE Sony Media product line has been getting update after update (either point updates or major upgrades) for years and years while Acid sits idle.

I also do not think that asking what the heck is going on with Acid - after 3 full years have passed since the last major version - is out of line. Oct 27, 2008 is like lightyears in the past when it comes to the software world

Jeez - Microsoft has put out two complete OS upgrades since Acid was last given a facelift.

For me personally - I could care less if Acid 8 ever comes to pass. What I really want to know is that if ACID - the product - has any kind of future at all.

The eternal silence on this situation is doing nothing but making people either annoyed or really worried. For me - I refuse to move forward with it (it is no longer not part of my current DAW install ) and unfortunately will remain as such until we either get some good news (a future for Acid) or closure (Acid is done).

So - there's my take on "why" people are looking for answers...

VP

Subject:RE: Acid

Reply by: Chienworks

Date:12/5/2011 12:29:00 PM

Just curious, but did ACID 7 stop working for you? Was it not up to the task?

"No new version" isn't a very good reason to stop using something that does work.

Heck, the photo editing/graphics drawing software i use is 15 years old, from a company that disbanded 12 years ago. There will *NEVER* be a new version or update, ever. I still use it daily, accomplish lots of things with it, and occasionally even get paid for what i do with it.

Subject:RE: Acid

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:12/5/2011 1:53:14 PM

Just curious, but did ACID 7 stop working for you? Was it not up to the task?

I have several reasons why ACID is no longer relevant over here :

Firstly - my use of Acid is probably a lot more basic than some others here and the type of basic functionality I require is more than easily replicated in many of today' bigger DAW players. I have recently migrated to Presonus Studio One and it has no problem whatsoever handling any "ACID looping" style stuff in the manner in which I use them. ACID (for my specific use) has aged rapidly within the context of what other vendors are doing and brings nothing to the table now that I cannot do better and faster in another app - so there is little point in having in having installed.

Secondly - I am standardizing the studio on 64 bit apps that are always current and can take full advantage of all my current hardware investment. While I fully understand the possible benefits of old software (I too have some of those golden agers that still see use) none of these are in the DAW realm. 32 bit apps are pretty much done for me. Only Wavelab remains - and it's 64 bit update is coming very shortly.

Finally I have a personal goal to get better in those apps that I have chosen to move forward with. There is only so much time in which to get good and constantly having to split time across a multitude of apps (especially one as dated as Acid has become) doesn't get me any closer to my goal.

VP

Subject:RE: Acid

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:12/5/2011 2:25:14 PM

When ACID Pro wasn't letting me in for a few days due to a registration issue (which has since been cleared up), I was curious to what all the hubbub was with the so-called competition. So I checked out Reaper.

I can confidently say that, despite Reaper's lean file size and its 64-bit support...I still came screaming back to ACID Pro when my registration issue was finally resolved.

Yes, I'm pretty sure I could get around the fact that I had to spin around three times and spit in a hat to get Reaper to insert multiple outputs in its mixer for KitCore...yeah. No. I know I can simply insert every single output in Reaper at once...but I don't want to do that. I can just insert them at will when I want in ACID Pro. Why clutter the UI when it doesn't need to be?

(I realize that I may agitate Reaper users when they read this but it's like almost anything: If it bothers you so much, why should you care if it's working for you?)

In short, I'm more than willing to be patient if ACID Pro 8 is coming. I can get around the fact that it's 32-bit for now. Most of all, I think of how far ACID has come in terms of functionality. (Remember when the only thing ACID did with MIDI was MIDI sync? No MIDI tracks, no VSTis, whut?)

Subject:RE: Acid

Reply by: Highway

Date:12/6/2011 3:59:25 PM

im a acid pro user from back when it was acid dj. im moving to pro tools 10 for money reasons. and have moved to FL for music creativity. will i upgrade to acid pro 8 when it comes out. 2 months ago i would of said yes. now i say no comment.

Subject:RE: Acid

Reply by: indeepthought

Date:12/11/2011 9:25:20 PM

"why are we always looking for more upgrades or a new version Acid 8.Do we like spending money for the sake of a few new tweeks?"

Fair question, but it makes the false assumption that we are looking for a few tweaks. I still have Acid 6 because 7 was not a big enough leap for me to make it worthwhile. The things that Acid does best have not changed much. Personally I'm looking for better windows 7 compatibility that will scale with Windows 8. I'm also looking for something more evolutionary. Every DAW has grown by leaps and bounds and Acid has made very minor tweaks over the years. The tweaks that were made basically wer adding things other DAWS had for years. Here is a list of what I would like. Although Acid's strength is manipulating loops, the loop manipulation of other programs has grown to a point where Acid needs to be stronger in other areas to compete. Here is a list of what I feel ACid needs to stay relevant:

1) Better included instruments. Owners of any other DAW have pretty powerful instruments incuded. Example. i own Sonar X1 and it includes several powerful synths (and granted some useless ones) like Z3ta and Dimension Pro. Remixers and producers, even ones who primarily work with samples, tend to have needs to add more. Yes, you can add VST's to Acid, but it's nice to have a decent go to synth included. There are lots of respected third party developers who would jump at a chance to develop a top notch synth for a company as large as Sony. Cakewalk swallowed up tiny but respected RGC and that allowe3d them to offer more.

2) More tools to compose and manipulate loops. The last evolutionary thing Sony introduced to acid in terms of loop manipulation was the chopper. Ableton came along way after Acid and is now one of the big names among independent music producers because it has grown in capability to a start to finish product that can pretty much do everything Acid can and many things Acid can't. A step-sequencer would be a nice touch. Tools to use Acid in a live environment would be nice. Not tha ti would use it, but it might certainly appeal to the dj/producer who now uses Ableton to produce and dj.

3)Update some of the plugins. When the core of your plugins are well over 10 years old, it's time for change. keep and support them as legacy features, but non-action indicates a lack of commitment imo. Most of the plugins are leftover from Sonic Foundry. The fact that Sony made high end Oxford plugins for other DAWS and have not developed even one new one for their own product is disturbing. Even updated versions of legacy plugins would be nice. I think 15 or so years is more than enough time to develop an Acoustic Mirror 2 that's at least a little closer to a poor man's Altiverb. Make Acid relevant to today's music. I loathe Autotune, but the fact is a glance at the top selling albums have plenty of it on it. Sony has the resources to integrate similar tools into Acid that adjust on the fly to time-stretching.

4) Seize opportunities. this is more of a marketing than direct product want. Rusko, a big name in dubstep uses Acid (although I 'm not sure if he still does. Dubstep has crept into mainstream media with elements popping up in pop music and tv ads. Sony could have easily rode that wave this entire time by making the product even better suited to compete and working with people young producers are likely to emulate. Even Cakewalk milked publicity of Javier Colon winning the talent show "The Voice" by including a full song of his in the sample songs shipped with the product.


Don't get me wrong. There are things I still like to do in Acid that I find more intuitive, but most of those things have existed since Acid 4. Unfortunately that has turned Acid into more of a legacy tool that is more like a plugin than a go to part of my process. Right now Reaper is a better bargain than Acid Pro

Subject:RE: Acid

Reply by: indeepthought

Date:12/11/2011 9:33:30 PM

mD- i would have been in full agreement with you about 5 years ago. The problem is the programs that were strong with midi caught up with Acid in terms of loop manipulation years ago but Acid lags horribly behind in other areas. I'm not trying to bash Acid. i just feel that Sony has dropped the ball and that saddens me. i have used Acid since version 1. If the upgrade to 8 is anything like the the upgrade to 7, I will be convinced that Sony has decided to not be competitive in this arena. i will keep using version 6 for certain specialized purposes but not expect anything in the future.