I have Red and BCC-7 and they are absolutely amazing.

How does Red compare with After Effects? Which is easier to use regarding motion tracking? Does anyone know if the Boris Box set work with Vegas 11 - it only mentions Vegas 10 on the website. Thanks,

Kit

Both After Effects and Boris Red are incredible programs. The main difference for me and why I'm migrating to Red from After Effects is that Red can be opened up from within Vegas. After Effects can only do this with Premier Pro.

If I buy Red, is there any additional advantage in getting BCC. Thanks

RZ

Yeah but I'm pretty sure Red comes with BCC-7. I bought BCC-7 and then paid to upgrade to Red when it was on sale. I remember that it was an upgrade because I already owned BCC-7 which was part of the Red that I was buying.

And how are they on Upgrades-

If I pay $1000 and I set with Boris for life - or will I pay upgrade each new version?

In terms of red...
Red Alone is 695
BCC alone is 595 - does the Red Alone include BCC?

the question is - is the Red/BCC package enough?

what do I get when I add in the rest blue ? etc

I have and use all the Boris plugs that is being offered. Before you spend and then say FLIP!

You need to get a graphics card that is compatible with all the plugs. Red works with this but BCC 7 only works with that but not this Blue works with that but not this etc. etc etc
Boris themselves don’t have a clue what is going on with regard to this and are not giving us the service we need.

RED 05 with windows 7 crashes more often than a self destructing drunk helicopter pilot. RED 04 on windows 7 is ok.

You might end up being very disappointed and have to buy a few graphics cards and build a new PC to accommodate Boris. i spent an extra R10 000 on one of my PC’s to accommodate RED 05 and it’s still not up to the task. I built a PC just to handle BLUE with a below spec graphics card that works like a dream but won’t handle high spec cards.

Am I happy with what Boris can do. You bet. It’s awesome. Worth every hair I pulled out to get it running.

My advice is get RED 04 with Vegas 10. Running on XP if you are generating content professionally.

Boris BLUE is a mind flip creative experience, simply amazing.

I have BCC and I demoed Red and Blue. In the end, after giving R & B each a fair shake, I decided against them, mainly because my interests skewed more toward 3D modeling and titling, for which I use Cinema4D. Red and Blue can pull off some VERY cool titling and importing of models, but I quickly reached their limits for what I was trying to accomplish. That's not Boris' fault.

I spoke with Boris about Blue in particular. It is VERY hardware intensive; the fan on my GPU wound up like crazy. Also, it hasn't been updated in years and Boris told me that it had no definite plans (or any plans, really) to continue to develop it. While I could slap together some pretty cool stuff quickly in Blue, the lack of any future for the product soured me.

I'm willing to spend a LOT of time in Cinema4D, which goes far, far beyond an NLE workflow. For that workflow, I really like BCC. Given the first consideration, however, Blue and Red weren't worth it for me.

-Steve

> "If I buy Red, is there any additional advantage in getting BCC. Thanks"

RED is a proper superset of BCC so you don't need both. I have both and I use BCC more for quick things like 3D titles and RED for more complicated composites. It's just a matter of convenience which one I apply but if you can only afford one, get RED because it has a lot more functionality.

~jr

Allen,

You mention that you are a "pro-sumer", not a professional. I fall into that category as well. I have both BCC and RED and I find myself instinctively clicking BCC rather than RED now that I have worked with both.

It is probably as JonnyRoy mentioned, that BCC is for quick things, and RED works well for the more complicates stuff. I usually do not have the time, nor the expertise for the more complicated composites.

BCC is incredible. I have amazed myself, stumbling into some great title animations through the extruded text, with hardly a clue what I was doing, simply following the great tutorials for free at the Boris web site. The chroma key is fantastic as well, but again, I am not a professional so you might hear another opinion from others.

BCC seems a little more intuitive for me. RED has crashed on occasion.

Barry

Does anyone know if the licence allows the box set to be split and different components installed on different computers, say Red on one pc and BCC on another? Can we install the same software on multiple computers for single use as with Sony Vegas? I looked for documentation on the Boris site but didn't find anything explicit. Thanks,

Kit

Anyone?

The Boris box-set bits for transferring between Avid and Adobe - hasn't that function been made redundant now the existing Automatic Duck components are free and post-duck development seems likely within Adobe?

I just installed Vegas 11 and do not see the BCC plugins. How can I tell Vegas 11 to use BCC, tell it where they are? They appear fine in Vegas 10-

I see them and didn't do anything special.

Try reinstalling BCC.

Do you have the latest versions of Vegas 11 (build 424/425) and NewBlue Titler? Old versions were iffy showing render templates, and that might carry over to plugins.

I'm responding to your message on Nov 30 (last day of the sale). The Boris Box Set is an incredible value. I bought it.

First off, BCC7 works on my Vegas Pro 11 system (64-bit, build 425). It says Vegas 10 on their site, but it plays well with 11. There are hundreds of effects and useful tools in Boris Continuum Complete, which merits consideration even as a stand-alone purchase at the $595 regular price.

RED blows my mind. It integrates into Vegas but hooks into Adobe hosts--or you can run it stand-alone, if you want. After adding Boris RED to a Vegas clip, you click on a button to launch the RED UI. That's where you tweak all your settings. Be prepared to lose several hours as you experiment with the thousands of possibilities. Not only is it fun, but you have access to dozens of tools that can save you a lot of time. If you have a creative vision, you'll probably be able to make it real after a little learning curve.

The motion tracking is super-easy to use, once you get the hang of clearing its render cache. It can be used with many of the filters. 'Witness Protection' is a good one to start with, it provides you with an easy way to blur out logos/license plates/faces, etc. It works, easily and quickly and tracks to the subject, eliminating the need to do motion tracking and keyframing manually. Turn it on, draw a couple boxes around your target, preview-to-RAM or play, and it analyzes the video and sets the path. So simple, so cool.

Without RED, I think that BCC would be good; however, RED provides you with the ability to really control what happens on the timeline. You can modify the presets, keyframe your filters, and save them for easy recall. If you don't want to use Vegas as your host, that's cool. You can launch RED as a stand-alone app.

Got After Effects and/or Premiere Pro? Even better. During RED installation, the installer sees those apps (I'm running the latest Adobe Master Collection) and hooks into them. If you do have Adobe After Effects, don't ignore that BCC8 for AE was released yesterday. I bought the Boris Box Suite at the sale price and Tyler from BorisFX was great. I haven't needed to engage their product support, but from a customer service perspective Tyler's been awesome. I just sent my request for unlock code for BCC8 for AE and got the free upgrade. Bonus! BTW, they're working on BCC8 for Vegas. Hopefully that'll release in the next couple of months. Yep, free upgrade for that, when it comes out.

Regarding system software, if you don't have Adobe AE on your system, there's obviously less value. But if you do, you also get Final Effects Complete. It adds a lot to the product. It's usually $895, so you can do the math. I figured that for the components I'm actually using, I'd have spent close to $4K if I had bought them separately. That excludes the free BCC8 AE and Vegas upgrades.

Regarding BLUE, yeah--it's cool but a lot of the features seem like they are baked into RED. The main thing about BLUE is that it renders 3D in real-time. The user interface feels really dated and favors NVIDIA cards. If you're like me and have AMD (6850 in my case), you'll get a warning message that the card isn't supported; however, it sees the GPU on my system and uses it very effectively. I just get the feeling like BLUE isn't going to be developed for new versions, in the future.

Avid users will also benefit from versions of BCC and FEC for that host.

Add all this up and you've got a bunch of ridiculous. Ridiculous fun. Ridiculous power. Ridiculous price. Ridiculous not to buy, in my opinion. I've flirted with the idea of buying the Box Set for a long time. Some of the tools are worth buying, standalone (rezzing up SD to HD, motion tracking, optical flow for time manipulation). It's easy to lose sight of them when you look at the massive amount of software that you get. I dropped the cash on the Box set and am happy I did.

As I wrap this up, one other point worth mentioning. The BorisFX software has been rock solid on my Windows 7 64-bit system, especially when using the standalone RED app or Adobe hosts. Cheers!

If RED5 is installed, does it exist in parallel with RED4 (like Vegas versions coexist) and if so is it possible to switch between which one gets used by Vegas? Bearing in mind Rory's experience with "RED 05 with windows 7". Either by simple way or "hack" like swapping DLL files about?