What should I get to build new computer for Vegas?

kirkdickinson wrote on 11/13/2011, 10:25 AM
About every 3-4 years, I do some research and order a new mobo/cpu/memory/video for my desktop at work, and swap out the guts, I have a nice case and the powersupply was replaced about 2 years ago. Time has gone on and I realize that my main system is now 5 years old. My MacBook Pro smokes my PC, so it is time to rebuild the PC.

I have only done a little research so far, but don't know what I should concentrate on to make Vegas really go. I assume that if I build this with Vegas in mind, then Photoshop will thrive on it also.

Generally I am thinking:
Intel
Quad core
SSD boot drive
at least 8 GIG DDR3 Ram

No idea on video card at all?? Want to get something that will work well with Vegas and Photoshop.

I see that there are some companies building dual socket mobos. Would it be insane to run dual-quads?

What else do I need to look at?

Thanks,

KIrk

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 11/13/2011, 12:17 PM
3D or not 3D - what do you want?

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * GTX 3080 Ti * Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Blackmagic Pocket 6K/6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED (ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED (i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE, 32 GB Ram. Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB) with internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor. Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG, Atomos Sumo

Birk Binnard wrote on 11/13/2011, 12:17 PM
You are on the right track. Get an nVidia graphics card so Vegas can offload rendering to the GPU. Get a 2nd HDD so you can use one for input media and one for rendered output. You will also like using 2 monitors if you have not tried that before.

A good place to get a custom built system is

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/

Don't let the gaming focus scare you; pick an i7 based desktop system and customize it. Their prices are about as good as NewEgg and you get a system that is completely built and tested instead of having to build it yourself.
kirkdickinson wrote on 11/13/2011, 12:24 PM
Don't care about 3d at this point. Shooting short instructional/educational videos with Youtube as the target output.

New Panasonic camera shoots MTS files which are kiling me with Vegas 9 and my old computer. Vegas 11 won't install on XP, so it is time to take the jump to 64 bit and Win7.

Kirk
kirkdickinson wrote on 11/13/2011, 12:29 PM
Thanks, I will look there.
Stringer wrote on 11/13/2011, 5:36 PM
Do you live near a Microcenter?

They have the 2600K for $279 and an $80 discount on Z68 boards when purchased in-store.
They have good pricing on the Crucial M4 SSD, and will price-match the major e-taylors on all components .
I would go with a video card that has the most CUDA processors that fits your budget .
DDR3 RAM is pretty cheap right now, and Z68 platforms don't really benefit much from the faster, higher priced RAM; so I would recommend 16gb of 1066 or 1333 RAM.

There was a recent thread about a member who put together a Z68 system from Microcenter .. I'll try to dig it up for you ..

Here it is:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=783825

The OP had a budget of 3K.. I think he came in well under that ...
Chanimal wrote on 11/13/2011, 7:08 PM
Regarding the video card, I would get an MSI 6870 Hawk. Price was 199 - 20 rebate for 179 total at Fry's (about 20 cheaper at NewEgg). Nvideo 570 will render somewhat quicker, but most in retail are 560 which is about 40% slower (and slower than the AMD 6870). The 570's were about $290 (so not as good price/performance). However, the AMD is faster with preview.

The MSI card was the editor's choice for the 6870 against the Diamond, Sapphire, OXE (?), etc. It was slighly (as is 31 out of 32 for rest) lower in some of the scores, but it has two fans and was the quietest and the coolest. When overclocked even further (it is already overclocked OCX from the factory but includes software to make it easy to overclock more ), it was the fastest.

I also checked out the 6770, but it is about 35% slower and only about $30 cheaper.

I hope this helps.

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Chanimal.com

Windows 11 Pro, i9 (10850k - 20 logical cores), Corsair water-cooled, MSI Gaming Plus motherboard, 64 GB Corsair RAM, 4 Samsung Pro SSD drives (1 GB, 2 GB, 2 GB and 4 GB), AMD video Radeo RX 580, 4 Dell HD monitors.Canon 80d DSL camera with Rhode mic, Zoom H4 mic. Vegas Pro 21 Edit (user since Vegas 2.0), Camtasia (latest), JumpBacks, etc.

kirkdickinson wrote on 11/14/2011, 9:40 AM
Awesome info thanks.
kirkdickinson wrote on 11/14/2011, 10:13 AM
Thanks, good info there.

This is what I have in my Newegg wishlist right now.

ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

MSI R6870 Hawk Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity

Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...

Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Patriot Extreme Performance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model PGD316G1600ELQK

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM

john_dennis wrote on 11/14/2011, 11:41 AM
The Sandy Bridge-E is on the street today if you're considering a six-core processor.

Newegg
kirkdickinson wrote on 11/14/2011, 12:18 PM
Cool, almost double the price though.
drmathprog wrote on 11/14/2011, 1:14 PM
Plus, it won't work with that motherboard or that memory; otherwise, a no brainer! ;-)
kirkdickinson wrote on 11/14/2011, 2:05 PM
No brainer? please explain? Are you of the opinion that it would be better to spend double on the cpu, get different mobo and memory for that core 6?

I usually build a system a step down from bleeding edge, bleeding edge is usually just too expensive.

The last computer I bought was a MacBook Pro and it was bleeding edge. i paid premium for i7 8Gig Ram, all the goodies and a month later they came out with quad cores and Thunderbolt port for the same price. Owch.
TheRhino wrote on 11/14/2011, 2:10 PM
Buy the NEW 6-core Sandy Bridge i7-3930K for $600 and a NEW Socket 2011 motherboard, you won't regret it. We based our last upgrade on the Socket 1366 when it was first released and it was a snap to upgrade to the 6-core 980X 6 months later. Our 980X workstation will still churn-out half of our HD renders for several more years even after we update one of our oldest workstations to Socket 2011 and an i7-3930K or better...

For personal computers, always choose the best bang-for-the-buck. For systems that earn money for you, buy the newly released Socket & hold onto it longer. You pay more up-front but do not upgrade as often. This way you have less down time & glitches. It helps to have more than one workstation so that you can alternate upgrades. If one fails, you always have a backup, etc...

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

john_dennis wrote on 11/14/2011, 5:11 PM
"No brainer? please explain?"

With the 2011 chipset, aside from offering six cores today, better buss bandwidth USB 3, etc.: you might, just might be able to get a 22nm 8 core in two years for less than $600. That wouldn't even require a reload of the system.
Chanimal wrote on 11/15/2011, 9:00 PM
One item to change--your amount of memory.

DDR3 is three channel memory. If you don't get a multiple of 3, it runs slower (sort of defeats the purpose of three channel). I run with 6 GB and it works great--I don't use 8 GB because it slows down the memory (DDR2 is multiple of 2 (not 3)). I would go with 12 GB (3 banks of 4 GB each) rather than 16 GB.

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Ted Finch
Chanimal.com

Windows 11 Pro, i9 (10850k - 20 logical cores), Corsair water-cooled, MSI Gaming Plus motherboard, 64 GB Corsair RAM, 4 Samsung Pro SSD drives (1 GB, 2 GB, 2 GB and 4 GB), AMD video Radeo RX 580, 4 Dell HD monitors.Canon 80d DSL camera with Rhode mic, Zoom H4 mic. Vegas Pro 21 Edit (user since Vegas 2.0), Camtasia (latest), JumpBacks, etc.

kirkdickinson wrote on 11/15/2011, 9:54 PM
Seriously 16 will be slower than 12? If it runs in multiples of three, why don't all ddr3 mobos not have multiples of 3 for the memory slots? Seems weird.
Chanimal wrote on 11/15/2011, 10:40 PM
I first heard this when I was building my first (of many) i-7 systems with ddr3. Here are some links that verifies it (the three channels).

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1467268

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/269247-30-ddr3-slots

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-870-1156,2482-9.html (benchmarks - but note the 2009 date - newer systems should take better advantage of the memory). Mine are 1600 (don't remember the timings, but about avg at the time).

If you need more memory to run an application before it uses the harddrive, then obvious a multiple of two will work better than a multiple of 3 that isn't enough. I.e., 3 GIG versus 8 GIG (the 8 GIG may make a faster system, but the memory speed will slow down (but faster than cacheing to the hard drive). My understanding is that a multiple of 2 will run similar to a DDR2 machine (but there is a LOT of speed difference with the DDR3 memory).

Regarding why some four memory slots, I assume it allows the user and the manufacturer to claim a higher amount of ram (regardless of whether it will be faster at maximum capacity).

BTW, my board will default to 1060, so be sure to run optimal settings in the BIOS which brings them up to their rated 1600 automatically.

Some of the discussions are pre-quad core, but on a quad you will see a speed difference. I can't use all my 6 GB right now (usually only use about 4.5 at most), so 12 GB should be fine (and faster speed overall than 16 GB since you won't have problems running low on memory with either 12 or 16).

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Ted Finch
Chanimal.com

Windows 11 Pro, i9 (10850k - 20 logical cores), Corsair water-cooled, MSI Gaming Plus motherboard, 64 GB Corsair RAM, 4 Samsung Pro SSD drives (1 GB, 2 GB, 2 GB and 4 GB), AMD video Radeo RX 580, 4 Dell HD monitors.Canon 80d DSL camera with Rhode mic, Zoom H4 mic. Vegas Pro 21 Edit (user since Vegas 2.0), Camtasia (latest), JumpBacks, etc.

kirkdickinson wrote on 11/15/2011, 10:51 PM
I see what you are saying. News to me. I didn't realize that one benefit of DDR3 was the ability to run triple channel.

So, if I fill all four, I will have more memory, but have less bandwidth? Makes sense.

Thanks for pointing that out. I can live with 12 Gig of memory. :)

Kirk
kirkdickinson wrote on 11/15/2011, 11:19 PM
Now I am getting confused. The only Asus board that I found that actually said that it supported Triple channel is a socket 1366
ushere wrote on 11/15/2011, 11:28 PM
and bear in mind ati vid cards don't do cuda......
kirkdickinson wrote on 11/15/2011, 11:38 PM
cuda????
im.away wrote on 11/15/2011, 11:44 PM
I think that we should keep in mind that the OP is talking about a Sandy Bridge mobo and i7 2600K CPU. This configuration uses multiples of two memory modules...that is, you install two modules or four modules. It is a different architecture to the triple-channel architecture of the previous generation of i7 CPUs.

Most mobo manufacturers equip the slots in two different colours so that the system builder can see that the memory should be fitted in pairs - and in the correct slots.

Memory timing will not be an issue regardless of whether 4 GB (2 x 2), 8 Gb (2 x 4), 8 Gb (4 x 2) or 16 Gb (4 x 4) is used. If the OP can afford 16 GB then he should go for it.

Cheers

Russ
ushere wrote on 11/16/2011, 12:16 AM
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_home_new.html
Julius_ wrote on 11/16/2011, 12:02 PM
Following this thread is making me dizzy...okay, so what is the recommended video card to get?

Assuming you want GPU enable, no 3D, you have a i7 (920/2.6/8m/1366 in my case) with Vista 64 running V10 64 bit. Want 1-2 hdmi inputs, maybe vga/dvi. and it's photoshop/after effects friendly..gosh so many parameters!

My main issue that playing back MOV files in the video preview is very jittery...I really don't care about rendering because it's done at night time (so I don't care it took 45 minutes instead of 35).

MSI 6870?
GTX560TI?
???

Thanks..