Subject:Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Posted by: R.B.S.

Date:10/4/2011 3:32:36 PM

I spent a lot of time using Acid pro 6 and now 7. It really helped me learn to make music with comfort and ease. I still think it has one of the best looks out there, but I have spent some time now suing Presonus Studio One and I must say that I'm choosing to start all my new projects in S1. Acid Pro will always be in my heart but for creating music I have to leave AP7 for S1.. You can look on the bright side of things b/c if I ever have to do any film editing I probably would use a sony product! Goodbye AP7 the time was great and I wouldnt change none of it and I still think AP7 dont get the respect that it deserves as a pro DAW. . .

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: GrupoJyT

Date:10/5/2011 9:05:47 AM

I Agree with you!

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Magnificent Butcher

Date:10/15/2011 5:06:26 PM

That is exactly what I was thinking. Though my recent problems with AP7 have left me a bit more angry than you.

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/17/2011 9:49:02 AM

Plus Presonus is announcing Studio One v2 tomorrow...looks like it's going to be a release that should take this product to the "major player" level....

I am just waiting on some pre-sales data and am very close to pulling the trigger on a move to S1 as well....

VP

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: GrupoJyT

Date:10/18/2011 10:18:39 PM

I'm using Live 8.2.6, is excellent. No crash, easy

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Rickms

Date:10/19/2011 7:01:39 PM

ACID is done. I cannot see anyway it can survive in the long run. There will always be a small community using it, but not even Sony with all the money they have would be willing to keep the product up while their market share is moving towards modern DAWs. Within the last few months AVID, Cakewalk, PropellerHead, Reaper, Samplitutude, Presonus have come up with some outstanding product updates. Presonus Studio One V2 has an absolutely amazing workflow and is now my favorite. I had high hopes for ACID but it has gone the way of Tracktion, a great product that was left to wither away. RIP.

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/19/2011 9:46:28 PM

"Presonus Studio One V2 has an absolutely amazing workflow and is now my favorite."

+1. I purchased Studio One on Monday and spent most of yesterday really digging the live launch feed and getting into what 2.0 has to offer. On Friday I have my yearly scheduled workstation rebuild and sadly - good ole Acid will be retired to make way for the new kid.

S1 does everything I will ever need to do with loops and more and it will be my new home base for composition from here on out.

VP

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:10/20/2011 6:08:49 PM

I have hundreds of songs composed In AP and have no objections to other DAWS but obviously we're all discussing tools to create music. so how many of you will buy the upgrade if AP8 is released and is (more) awesome (than 7 already is)?

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/20/2011 9:39:24 PM

When I see some actual tangible proof that there will even be an AP8 - then and only then will I change my thinking.

My biggest issue with Acid is that Sony has let years elapse here while many of the other players have taken their products to the next level. 3 years is a lifetime in the software world and I seriously can't find any reason or feature that even an Acid 8 could offer that would make me suddenly interested again.

Acid Pro has served me very well since 2003 but it's time for me to move forward.

VP

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:10/20/2011 10:41:42 PM

I personally don't have a problem with sony taking so long. I'd like to see version 8 but if it doesn't I'm still a satisfied customer. I found going from version 6 to version 7 so incredibly capable and inspiring that I've been busy ever since. how many of you share that point of view?

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/21/2011 8:14:00 AM

If you are satisfied with AP7 - then that's exactly where you want to be.

Some of us - however - do not see it that way and waiting years for a version that may never appear does not represent good use of my time.

I am not getting any younger and would rather move to a platform that is active, progressive and delivers software I can use - today.

I have been a huge Sony fan for years (and Sonic Foundry way before that) but there is something terribly wrong with the Acid dev scenario here. I know only too well Sony never divulges any detail regarding a new version of any of their software - but to not even acknowledge that there will be a new version of Acid sometime in the future is simply bizarre to me.

There is NO harm whatsoever in have a Sony rep pop round to say "Relax - there will be an Acid 8 Pro". But no one has done that. That is not a good sign.

So - either a new version is being developed or it isn't. While I am moving forward away from Acid - it would be nice to know what the deal is.

VP

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:10/21/2011 9:02:08 AM

I understand the frustration but I guess we've made our point. I really hope to see version 8 but I've been making slammin' music with what I have and not allow myself to be stifled by what I think AP "needs".

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: AnthonyTower

Date:10/21/2011 4:46:36 PM

What is the point of this thread...?
Not really constructive, is it?

Like Ableton, Sony Creative Software are having a hard time transitioning their looping application to 64 bit.

I bought Live Suite 8 roughly about the same time I upgraded my copy of ACID Pro to version 7 and Ableton have not come out with a new version of Live either.

What makes these two looping applications unique is that, unlike all the other DAWs out there, you can audition and insert audio clips that have no meta data (often called acidized waves) into a playing project and have them properly play in tempo.
I'm confident now that VEGAS 11 is out, there will be a bigger pool of developers working on ACID Pro 8.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the summer of 2012...taking the bang out of the Olympic games :)
I know I will be buying Pro 8 the minute it comes out, bugs and all.

Cheers

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/21/2011 9:53:56 PM

"I'm confident now that VEGAS 11 is out, there will be a bigger pool of developers working on ACID Pro 8."

Hmm...Vegas has had 3 complete version upgrades (9, 10 and 11) in the time since AP7 was released. This has nothing to do with a shortage of talent or transitioning to 64 bit. This is clear cut case of "Folks - we really don't know how to tell you this but..."

Also - on this point "You can audition and insert audio clips that have no meta data into a playing project and have them properly play in tempo"

I was doing this yesterday in Studio One with no problem. Pretty much every DAW out there now has the ability to warp and bend any piece of audio to project tempo.

Finally - my sense is that some want to bid a fond farewall to an old friend. For me personally - I am hoping this thread can prompt some sort of simple response from SMS to either say - "Acid is done" or "Acid Pro 8 is in development".

I can see why the first statement would never happen since it would completely kill any lingering sales of Acid and the gang in here would have a complete meltdown.

But holding off on the second response is purely idiotic - nothing would fire up this crowd more than a simple confirmation that something - ANYTHING - is happening behind the scenes. I do not think anyone would be crushed if they got nothing else but some positive indicator than AP8 is actually being coded.

VP

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:10/22/2011 6:15:53 AM

great observation and hypothesis.

there are some that apparently think they can manipulate Peter into revealing sony's technology roadmap. any attempts to do so have failed. he cannot be out smarted or cajoled into giving away information because he values his livelihood... among other things. even saying that they're working on AP8 obviously is not something they want their competitors to know.

no worries! continue using your DAW of choice. it'll all work out.

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Kit

Date:10/22/2011 6:17:30 AM

My favourite version of Acid - the one I was most productive in was 2. The only version I skipped on, I think, was 3. I know it's more powerful but I find version7 more of a chore to use than the others. I used to be excited at the news of an Acid update but honestly now I can't summon the interest. Why the delay with 64 bit , how long has Reaper had that? Too late, too little, and the lack of communication by Sony borders on insulting. Ho hum.It does feel that Acid was abandoned long ago though new content libraries seem to appear. Just some meandering comments after a hard day.

Kit

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: AnthonyTower

Date:10/22/2011 1:14:58 PM

VocalPoint you quoted me:
"You can audition and insert audio clips that have no meta data into a playing project and have them properly play in tempo"

And answered:
I was doing this yesterday in Studio One with no problem. Pretty much every DAW out there now has the ability to warp and bend any piece of audio to project tempo.

To which I'll answer:
If Studio One does this, fine, I'll check it out.
But as far as most other DAWs are concerned, Reaper, Sonar and all , THEY DO NOT, THEY NEED META DATA ATTACHED TO THEM FIRST! READ CORRECTLY WHAT I WROTE!

I even went over this with a developper at Cockos recently who told me that he hopes to have this functionality in a future version of Reaper.

And as far as bitching about Sony having come out with 3 versions of Vegas since the release of ACID Pro 7, here's what I can tell you:

1. Writing such massive code to get programs like ACID and Live do what they do is close to rocket science...without the justifiying pay.
2. Every project has a budget that has to be more or less kept in line.
Software companies, especially the music software companies have monetary issues facing them every day ie: a very marginal market, piracy, more and more competion for the same customer base and musicians with no money.
SCS are strapped for cash....there is no real money to be made in this field, it's more a labour of love than anything else.
I'm still amazed that Sony (the head office who allocates the necessary resources to SCS for each product and who are MUCH MORE INTO VIDEO) have'nt allready killed off ACID Pro.
I don't think your whining is helping either

You seem to be getting along just great with STUDIO ONE, fabulous.
My advice, use that to create your masterpieces and spend more time using it, instead of getting on your soapbox here and bitching, on SONY's own forum, hoping that you can somehow convince/manipulate/pressure SCS into delivering something they just can't do at this time.

Cheers

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/22/2011 4:52:28 PM

"I don't think your whining is helping either"

Dude - despite what Cockos has to say - or what you think - you definitely do not need any metadata to play a loop to tempe in Cubase, Nuendo, Studio One and others....tools like audio warp and transient detection takes care of this with no problems.

Looks like Cockos just needs to figure out how to write their own audio warp...

With respect to Sony - you seem to know more that anyone else about how they work so if you are that "in the know" - maybe you can find out whether or not they are going to cancel Acid.

For the record - the only thing I am asking Sony is to either confirm or deny that a future version of Acid is being build. A simple yes or no will suffice.

VP

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: AnthonyTower

Date:10/22/2011 5:59:16 PM

By looping program, I meant:

1. a program where you have a window that incorporates my tracks and their respective timelines and another window (in ACID, the Explorer window) that houses a pool of UNACIDIZED waves.

2. my project is playing and while it's playing I can audition any number of waves from the Explorer window and incorporate them on the fly in my project by just dragging them (or hitting return) into the timeline, WITHOUT having to select the newly incorporated waves and DESIGNATE them as loops, permitting me to create songs quite rapidly and without too much mousing around so as to keep the creative juices flowing.

I will test STUDIO ONE and see if it does the aforementioned.......properly.
As far as I know, only ACID PRO and Live can do that (Magix Music Maker can too, but lacks professional MIDI and VST implementation).

As far as the business intricacies of SONY are concerned, I don't know more than the average joe.
But what I wrote earlier applies to ANY company doing business.
Anyone who is an adult and has gone out in the world would know that.

Cheers

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/22/2011 6:42:46 PM

"1. a program where you have a window that incorporates my tracks and their respective timelines and another window (in ACID, the Explorer window) that houses a pool of UNACIDIZED waves.

2. my project is playing and while it's playing I can audition any number of waves from the Explorer window and incorporate them on the fly in my project by just dragging them (or hitting return) into the timeline, WITHOUT having to select the newly incorporated waves and DESIGNATE them as loops, permitting me to create songs quite rapidly and without too much mousing around so as to keep the creative juices flowing."

Studio One or Nuendo (both here) do this natively with no issues. I know for a fact that Studio One does not and cannot understand any native Acid metadata (neither can Nuendo to my knowledge) - yet I can drop Acid loop after loop in a session (or audition these in the Files area is S1 or in MediaBay in Nuendo) and they happily play along with the session tempo.

I haven't had to edit anything or even use any transient detection (although that's a big new feature in Studio One v2).

Hence my decision to retire Acid since both of these hosts can do what I was doing in Acid anyway...

Cheers,

VP

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: AnthonyTower

Date:10/22/2011 7:50:08 PM

Thank you Vocalpoint for pointing out Nuendo as having added this capability.
A big feather in Yamaha’s cap.

Studio One looks intriguing and PreSonus have a beautiful hardware line-up to keep them afloat in case sales of the said software don’t quite make it.

Then again look at a DAW like Tracktion and a great company like Mackie to back it up.
Despite being a beautiful, elegant and really cool piece of software, sales where just to poor in order to justify continued development, it’s been almost five years now since the release of Tracktion 3...
But like ACID, it doesn't refrain anyone from using these great pieces of code with their long development cycles and being creative, productive or just having fun.

All this said and done it’s only a matter of time, my guess two years at the most, before all DAWs will do what now appears to be in the realm of only four candidates.

Cheers

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:10/23/2011 11:12:00 AM

like I said, they dont owe anyone an explanation.

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: AnthonyTower

Date:10/23/2011 1:25:52 PM

whitestonestudios wrote:

"like I said, they dont owe anyone an explanation"
+1

I just spent a few hours with Stutio One to realize that it can indeed somewhat sync unacidized waves to project tempo but does not automatically create regenerative loops out of them like ACID PRO and Ableton Live do.
It falls VERY short of the mark as being a looping program, but it looks to be a very good DAW.

I'm guessing Nuendo is the same.
I'll be speaking to a friend of mine this week who is a music producer and uses both Nuendo and Ableton Live and ask him so as to confirm my hunch.

I just hope SONY don't turn ACID PRO into another DAW like Studio One, Nuendo, Cubase, Reaper, Sonar and all and focus, like Ableton are doing, into perfecting a fantastic fun and speedy looping tool.

To paraphrase Dennis Miller of Weekend Update: "I am outta here!"

Cheers

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/23/2011 2:52:32 PM

"Does not automatically create regenerative loops out of them like ACID PRO and Ableton Live do."

Automatically? Like taking a "non-metadataed" one shot and creating a loop out of that? Have never used this in Acid nor would it be a requirement for my specific workflow - which at best - is to simply to insert loops (with occasional transposition here and there) for texture within the context of my compositions. My composition style and workflow is geared heavily toward real tracking and playing - so any loop-based app like Acid is a bit restrictive in what's possible "audio editing wise". I couldn't even do something as simple is multi-select over different tracks in Acid - so it still has a ways to go.

But yes - if your thing is rebuilding and loop creation then Acid is still king of the heap. But do not be so quick to dismiss other apps capability in this area. The September edition of Sound On Sound has an excellent article (Page 134 "New Loops for Old") on complete loop construction, deconstruction and the like in Cubase/Nuendo and it's very powerful. Same with Studio One and it's transient detection in V2.

To be honest - for real loop mangling here - I usually go to Spectrasonics Stylus RMX (with Time Designer) which can pretty much mangle anything in infinite ways in real time with no editing at all.

One thing is clear - with 3 long years behind it now - AP7 really doesn't have any more killer "must have" features that makes it rise above anything else out there. At least for my stuff....

But if it works for you - keep on truckin' :)

Cheers,

VP

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Rickms

Date:10/27/2011 5:17:06 AM

Okay, here is what is going to happen to you Whitestone. You will stick with ACID to the end, it is okay because it works for you. Microsoft will provide one or two more OS upgrades and at some point during that time ACID will be incompatible either with the OS or incapable of using modern audio interfaces and protocols. ACID is dead ".", they cannot catch up, just too late.

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:10/27/2011 6:03:38 AM

you assume you know me, my gear and my buying habits. YOU DONT. so your opinion is uninformed. again, use what you want...and read this:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=782976&Replies=5

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/27/2011 7:23:36 AM

"Use what you want...and read this"...

Again - until I see a post in here from SonyPCH (or equivalent) stating some actual facts...some guy babbling on at a trade show doth not mean a new version now or at any time in the future.

As a side note: I purchased Acid Pro 7 on this day and time - exactly three years ago!

VP

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:10/27/2011 7:54:47 AM

dude seems rational and sincere...works for most.

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/27/2011 9:52:06 AM

"dude seems rational and sincere...works for most."

Well - I certainly hope that tidbit has some validity. Would be nice to see some indicator that AP will have a future.

VP

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:10/27/2011 10:51:57 AM

my point reiterated.

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Highway

Date:11/2/2011 2:56:39 PM

you know i haven't heard from Peter in a long time. I'm still using acid religiously. i hope he can answer this simple question. How can we get on the testing team.

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:11/2/2011 6:19:20 PM

Sometimes I wonder if those defending Sony on here are sock puppets because defending the indefensible is normally their style. If you don't like a thread discussing when an update to ACID is going to appear then don't post on it. What is the point of coming on an official ACID forum and telling people here to stop discussing or requesting information about ACID?

So you are happy with ACID v. blah, blah, blah. Who gives a flying frog? If you're not interested in an update why are you wasting your time and our time whining at those of us who are? Do yourselves and us a favour and let those of us who want to discuss ACID's development or lack thereof get on with our discussion in peace.

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:11/2/2011 8:07:44 PM

Just as likely as that the antagonistas are all Fruityloops sock-puppets.

geoff

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:11/3/2011 9:41:17 AM

"Do yourselves and us a favour and let those of us who want to discuss ACID's development or lack thereof get on with our discussion in peace. "

Right on bro....

Cheers,

VP

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Kappeesh

Date:11/3/2011 10:32:21 AM

the apathetic are not interested in an update. but that's not the consensus here.

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: raymhenderson

Date:11/3/2011 8:28:38 PM

Since you guys know everything there is to know about Sony Acid Pro7, I have a simple question, since I've only had SAP7 for about a week. I've finally got all of my old VSTs working with the except of a pitch correction VST. What has worked for you guys?

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: random_id

Date:11/4/2011 7:07:44 AM

I have success with the free GSnap and Kerovee. GSnap is more subtle, but it works great for my situation (subtle correction for the fact that I am always flat). I have also used it successfully with a bass track when the guitar was capo-ed and the pitch went sharp.

Now, back to Acid 7. Please Sony, throw us a little bone about the future. I am really thinking about Reaper. I have played with it a few times and I am finding it very capable for how I work. Just give us some piece of information. If I knew that the next generation of Acid was coming, even if it weren't for several months, I would hold tight with Sony. Not knowing anything makes me want to switch to a project that has ACTIVE AND PUBLISHED DEVELOPMENT (e.g., Reaper).
No news is not good gnews!

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:12/31/2011 9:15:08 PM

Happy New Year to all current and former ACID users.

I just happened to be in the neighborhood while purchasing my Vegas Pro 11 upgrade (20% discount).

It seems that not much has changed since my last visit.

Feliz ano nuevo.

Subject:RE: Goodbye Acid Pro 7

Reply by: Highway

Date:1/3/2012 7:16:07 PM

yes i did post that i was told they were working on a new acid pro. 2 i have moved on after 11 years to another DAW to be better compatible with my other studios and engineers. 3 i defended acid pro for years and am just tired of it right now. i'm turning 30 this year and can't sit around waiting for hopes and dreams. 4 i stick around this forum cause i am a Vegas pro user and can see the developments in the program.