Finally burning my first Blu-Ray disc - (question)

Steve Mann wrote on 7/26/2011, 8:55 AM
First time burning a Blu-Ray.

I Encoded a 90-minute project in Vegas as MPEG2 using the Blu-Ray 25 Mbps template. All default settings.
Bring the .m2v and .ac3 files into DVDA.
DVDA Properties, set Disc Format to Blu-Ray, 25Gb, Video Format: MPEG2, 18Mbps. All default.

When I go to prepare the BD, I get an error message that the disc, I get this warning:
"The overall bit rate for ‘Rizvi(5)’ is greater than 28 Mbps. The overall bit rate is too high for burning Blu-ray onto a DVD."

Should I re-encode using the 8Mbps template or should I ignore the warning and burn to Blu-Ray?

Comments

Steve Grisetti wrote on 7/26/2011, 10:15 AM
Are you sure your project is set up to create a BluRay and not a DVD?

Go to the File menu and select Properties.
Steve Mann wrote on 7/26/2011, 10:40 AM
From my OP:
"DVDA Properties, set Disc Format to Blu-Ray, 25Gb, Video Format: MPEG2, 18Mbps. All default."

Is this what you meant?
Former user wrote on 7/26/2011, 11:14 AM
Are you trying to burn a BluRay project to a DVD disk?

Dave T2
Steve Mann wrote on 7/26/2011, 8:21 PM
From my subject: "burning my first Blu-Ray disc"

I am trying to burn a Blu-Ray project to a Blu-Ray disc. It's a 90-minute program and I've taken all defaults in the template and in DVDA.
L8R wrote on 7/27/2011, 6:02 PM
I use the 25 mbps when I do mine. I never have an issue. quality slider to 15.
Not sure what could be wrong.

Former user wrote on 7/27/2011, 7:02 PM
I was just asking because the error message said something about the bitrate too high for a DVD. Maybe that is just an error in the Vegas programming.

Dave T2
Kimberly wrote on 7/27/2011, 7:16 PM
I don't have a BD burner, but I have successfully burned a BD format disk from DVD-A 5.2 to a DVD. It was a 25-minute project, but it played on my Blu-ray player (a newer Sony model). So it is definitely weird that you are having trouble with a genuine BD burner and BD disk.

I know you already said all your project properties are set for BD. For whatever it's worth, here are my Properties settings:

Disc Format: Blu-ray Disc
Target Media Size(gb): 4.7 (because I was specifically using a DVD)
Video Format: MPEG-2
Bit Rate: 40.000 (cannot remember if I adjusted this down when I did Optimize)
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Resolution: 1440x1080
Frame Rate: 29.970 interlaced (my footage is HDV)
Audio Format: AC-3 Stereo
Bit Rate (audio): 448

What does DVD-A tell you when you choose Optimize Disk? Does it say everything is good and no recompresion? Any messages that might help identify what is happening?
BlackMax wrote on 7/28/2011, 6:22 AM
I think Steve that you should just ignore the warning, since you are burning to BD not DVD. I'd guess that message appears Any time the bitrate exceeds 28Mbps, and is there primarily to confuse the end-user! :p
Steve Mann wrote on 7/29/2011, 5:06 PM
Like I said, I don't know why it said 28Mbps when I used the 25Mbps template.

Anyway, I ignored the error and burned the BD and it plays fine on my only BD player.
BlackMax wrote on 7/30/2011, 8:52 AM
I don't know what your "25Mbps template" is (I can't find such a project on our machine) but maybe the bitrate difference is in audio tracks...
Fervid wrote on 6/26/2012, 5:31 AM
I too am getting this strange error and it is driving me nuts. I've spent a couple weeks now fighting with Sony Products when I could have had the whole thing done in PowerDirector in 2 days start to finish.

I started out with Vegas Studio HD 11 and had the whole thing rendered only to find no 5.1 audio support in the DVD Architect there (Even though 5.1 is advertised everywhere). So, I then got Vegas Pro 10 since for some reason there is no XP 64bit support when everyone else does, and it is the last to support Win XP. Since different versions I had to copy and paste between them which got everything but my text...even though Pro has both the standard and pro text generators it only seems to see or care about the Pro text, so I recreated the text in it.

Rendered the AC3 5.1 in the better 24bit Pro has, but AVC gave me errors on any bitrate above 21M and Low memory errors on 21M which I later fixed by turning off thumbnails??? I can render 4 things at once without issue, but thumbnails kill it! So, since my original content is 1080p 60fps from my Panasonic I wanted a better format keeping 60p. So, I rendered at 720p 59.940fps Mpeg2 with Min 16Mbps / Avg 28Mbps / Max 40Mbps...video looked horrible and worse than DVD quality. So, I went back to my Vegas Studio HD 11 since AVC works there and rendered the same size and frames as a 25Mbps Sony AVC. [Keep in mind each render is 10-20hrs...which is nuts when I can render the same in others in less than 5hrs]

AVC rendered pretty good (Looks a little washed out, but not as ugly as MPEG2 was). Now I get to DVD Architect and get this error about bitrate being too high for DVD. My properties are set to Blu-Ray 25GB (There isn't even an option for DVD5/9 Blu Rays!) It also says it is going to recompress my video and won't let me ignore it saying "Media is not compliant with disc format". So, Sony's own AVC file at 25Mbps which is much less than the max 40Mbps or the 28 that it is complaining about isn't compliant???

I like the options Sony has for advanced users, but I need this Wedding Video done. The Bride is getting impatient and I'm tired of fighting with this thing. Instead of spitting out a new version every year Sony needs to fix their existing products.
Gabonviper wrote on 10/10/2012, 1:16 AM
I too am getting this same message
"The overall bit rate for ‘Paul McCartney Helsinki 2011 Disc One’ is greater than 28 Mbps. The overall bit rate is too high for burning Blu-ray onto a DVD."

I am trying to burn a dl blu-ray, not a DVD.

I used the Main Concept 1440 60i 25 mbps default variable bit rates template to render a three-hour movie with two PCM 16-bit audio tracks. In addition, there is a small introductory m2v file, the same MPEG-2 template.

I brought the four files into DVDA using the blu-ray disc MPEG-2 1280x720 60p 16:9 template and the project settings are default ones : 50gb blu-ray; 18mbps; 59, 040 progressive.

Should I raise the bitrate 18,000 to 30,000 mbps or higher (the max in the variable bit rate used by the Main Concept template)?

DVDA gave the above warning, but I ignored it and it created an iso file. I burned it onto a Verbatim printable BD-R 50GB DL disc with an LG BH12LS38 (using DVDA) and everything worked fine on my PS3. However, the next two discs turned out to be coasters. For the first coaster I used DVDA and the second coaster was produced with Nero Burning ROM 12 trial. The disc burning failed towards the end.

Is it the Verbatim discs or the blu-ray burner? I haven't updated the firmware yet as the update 1.01-D0 only mentions "BD-R Prodisc 6x support".

Or do I have to change the project settings in DVDA?



Kimberly wrote on 10/10/2012, 7:05 AM
What build of DVD-A Pro?

In a prior version of DVD-A Pro you could burn a BD format disk (some call them BD-9s and BD-5s) on DVD. But they took that capability away with DVD-A Build 135. I wrote to SCS about that and they said it was to due copywright issues.

Anyway, if you are using Build 135, it certainly seems odd you would get a message refering a BD on a DVD.

Regards,

Kimberly
Gabonviper wrote on 10/10/2012, 9:15 AM
I am using build 135. I am using Verbatim 50GB 6x printable DL BD-R discs. Should I burn them at a slower speed?
Dan Sherman wrote on 10/11/2012, 2:27 PM
I over complicated preparing and burning a BD.
Render using a Blu Ray MPEG2 setting in Vegas.
Pull the project into DVD-A, author and burn.
Bob's your uncle.
Márcio Nascimento Brazil wrote on 2/21/2013, 9:33 AM
Hello People!
The answer of this topic is in Sony Architech help.
Above the warning message, at right corner, you have a "?"
Click on it and click on the warning message.
The help window will pop-up with the answer of this topic:

The overall bit rate includes video, audio, and subtitles.
If your project's target media size is 25 or 50 GB and you choose to continue, your title may not play properly in some players. If your project's target media size is 4.7 or 8.5 GB, you must adjust individual bit rates for video and audio before you can continue with the disc preparation and burning process.

I understood that this is just a safety message.
28Mbps is the default (maybe maximum) value for some Bluray Players.
So you can shoot and edit your footage in 40Mbps (Canon cameras for example)... you can render in Vegas in 50Mbps... but you cannot burn Bluray safely.
If your rendered file settings (field order or aspect ratio for example) does not match with Archtect settings, a message will appear saying that the file will be recompressed (it will spend a lot of time and will decrease quality)
If the settings match, the file will not be recompressed, then you can ignore the message, but be advised that may not play in all bluray players.

Best regards!
Márcio Nascimento (Brazil)