NTFS vs Fat32 Win2k advice

Rednroll wrote on 9/15/2001, 1:17 PM
I want to set up my DAW system with Win2k. I always set up C: drive with my O.S., D: drive I install all my programs to. and then E: and F: drives are designated for audio and Video recording. I'm concerned about the 4 gig size limit of Fat32 especially when loading video into my system. I was thinking that I would make Drives C: and D: Fat32 and I would install Win2k and Win98 on drive C:, since win2k gives you an option to run a dual boot OS. Now if I Make my record drives NTFS will I no longer have the 4 gig file size limit when running win2k....although the OS is on a FAT32 drive? I already the Win98 will not recognize the NTFS drives, this is not an issue.

I'm looking to do more video work with Vegas and this seems like an easy alternative if this works? How about Windows XP, I'm hearing good things about it, and I'm hoping there is no file size limitations?

Comments

Arks wrote on 9/16/2001, 12:35 PM
Hello,

Hmm.. sounds like an interesting and good setup. I would personally upgrade everything to win2k and NTFS.. the question I have is why do you need Win98 SE still? I know win2k allows two OS's, but what do you still want 98 SE on your system for. IF you are using the PC for video and audio editing only, I would think having 2 OS's would jsut bog down the PC or make it more complicated to fix problems and possibly limit your PC resources during editing/capturing. Let me know what your deal is =)

Brian
Cheesehole wrote on 9/16/2001, 5:30 PM
Just to clarify a few things:

- running two OS's or more on the same PC has no effect on system resources or system speed. The OS's do not interact with one another.

- it is advantageous to run Win98 and Win2k on the same PC for troubleshooting purposes. Sometimes Win2k won't boot and you can fix things by booting into Win98 and working on stuff like editing the boot.ini for example.

- I recommend installing each OS on it's own partition for a couple reasons.
a. If they're on the same drive they'll share the program files folder and that can screw things up especially with Internet Explorer.
b. for simplicity. example... Windows98 and WindowsXP both default to installing in a folder called WINDOWS. If you install to the same partition you'll have to change that.
c. for Ghosting (you could boot from floppy, but it's nice to have Windows Explorer to help troubleshoot when Win2k won't boot)

- WinXP is basically the next version of Win2000 so expect similar compatability and file system support. (I'm running it with no probs so far)

This is what I recommend for your setup:

Partition your drive into 3 partitions.
1 - 2GB - Win2000 (FAT16 or 32)
2 - 2GB - Win98 (FAT16 or 32)
3 - rest - Applications and Swap File (FAT32)

Then get a second hard drive for your A/V data
1 partition - All Space - format NTFS

You'll get the best performance this way with your OS and DATA on separate drives. No file size limitations.

Just wipe out your drive and start from scratch booting off your WIN2k cd. Then once Win2k is running create the rest of the partitions and then boot off a floppy to install Win98. Then ghost your Win2k drive so you can rescue it later on. If your Boot selection menu doesn't appear after you install Win98, just boot off the Win2k disc and run the manual repair and have it inspect the boot sector. It will give you your boot menu back.

good luck!

- ben
Rednroll wrote on 9/17/2001, 12:37 AM
Thanks for the info, that's what I was hoping to hear that I would not have the file size limitation with that setup.

The reason for the 2 OS's is, one is for the trouble shooting as mentioned...I just ran into the problem on one machine where I wish I was able to boot up on Win98 because I had win2k lock up while I was installing a driver and could not boot up after that, and there's no such thing as a Win2k boot floppy and since the OS drive was NTFS, I couldn't use a Win98 boot floppy either. I had to reformat my drives and reinstall everything. The other reason is that a lot of my software that I use, I am not sure if it will work on Win2k. CD Architect being one of those pieces of software that I use quite a lot and the other being Opcode's Studio Vision. I also have quite a collection of DX plugins, that I really don't feel the need to spend the extra cash on paying for upgrades just so they'll run in win2k, this way I will still have access to the plugins on the same system if they have any problems with win2k. Just looking for the best of both worlds, and I think I have the solution now.

Thanks again
photon wrote on 9/17/2001, 3:52 AM
I added W2K as a clean install to a separate partition on my NT4 system. MS said to use FAT for the W2K partition as a dual boot.'

I also set a partition to FAT for my .wavs based on the info in:

http://prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/45BEB3250308114E86256A7F007D8FA4

I'm glad I did the dual boot setup since my older CD burning app won't run under W2K, as well as the app for one of my scanners.

Good luck.
Bisquilis wrote on 9/18/2001, 12:56 AM
Lots of plugs won't work with W2K either.
MacMoney wrote on 9/18/2001, 8:05 AM
"Lots of plugs won't work with W2K either."
Someone else had said that. Do you know which ones? Im using Win2k sp2 with
Waves 3.2
TC Native
RBC
Cakewalk
Sonic Foundry
Izotope
Hyperprism
Timeworks
althoff wrote on 9/18/2001, 10:57 PM
What's Izotope?
althoff wrote on 9/18/2001, 10:57 PM
What's Izotope?
nlamartina wrote on 9/19/2001, 12:24 AM
Althoff,

Izotope is a small software company that consists of several MIT graduates, based outside of Boston. They have two products relevant to Sonic Foundry software, being iZotope Vinyl, and iZotope Ozone, both high quality Direct-X plugins. I haven't heard of any compatability issues with Vinyl and W2K, but it should be noted that Ozone was recently updated to version 1.01, which now makes it compatible with Windows 95, 98, 98SE, NT, 2000, ME, and XP. Owners were warned in a recent e-mail that while the plug-in will install on NT, 2K, and XP OS's, there still may be system-specific problems that will prevent proper operation. Therefore, if you're thinking about buying Ozone, better to try out the demo before dropping $200 on the set.

Regards,
Nick LaMartina
MacMoney wrote on 9/19/2001, 7:16 AM
Thanks Nick
I beta tested Ozone on Win 98se and Win2k, It is a VERY good plugin for mastering, BUT!!!!!!! not for the weak PC it's 64bit processing can really load down a lot of DX apps. Its 6 plugins into 1 master plugin, Cool GUI.
www.izotope.com

George Ware
iZotope wrote on 10/1/2001, 11:50 AM
Hi all,
Thank you George, Nick and others for the compliments on Ozone. Just to clarify Ozone OS support. Ozone 1.00 had full support for 98, ME, Win2000, XP. Ozone 1.01 was released to provide support for Win95 and NT. At this point we think we have them all covered, but trying demos first is good advice in general. Ozone info and demo is here.
http://www.izotope.com/products/ozone/ozone.html

Cheers,
Justin
support@izotope.com
iZotope, Inc.