I can think of nothing to counter the general thrust of your argument.


Bob.

Yes - I agree. I only use source timecode in occasional projects, and haven't needed it recently, but if I was editing in V10.0c and the need arose to give my client a Camera TC DVD I would be very annoyed that this still hasn't been fixed - the problem was established in early January.

I need source timecode a lot so I rolled back to 10.0a and am patiently waiting for 10,0d.
Call me a dreamer but I hope the reason for the delay is that SCS wants to make sure ALL the bugs are DEAD.

Mike

Mike, they may say you're a dreamer, but you're not the only one (Cheers JL)

Peter

i agree totally with mike.... the only good bug is a dead bug.

i regularly use tc dubs to send to clients (do them in 9). it's appalling that it wasn't caught and fixed in 10c.

i think scs is spending way too much time trying to load vegas with features rather than producing a robust, reliable nle that it was and should be.

we all have our moments of doubt and faith, and mine was 10b. 10c isn't doing a lot to restore it. that said, where else to turn for salvation? fcp, avid, edius?

So, is the consensus that, as this is taking time to correct, SCS are attempting to put it right or what?

Grazie

where else to turn for salvation? fcp, avid, edius?

Alcohol or some good pharmaceuticals :)
Better yet, a month in the place of your choosing with no internet.
+14C. (54 F.) today so it looks like winter is finally over!!

Mike

Nice one Pete! Wonder if everbody got the Lennonism?

Grazie

I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one.

Mike

"So, is the consensus that, as this is taking time to correct, SCS are attempting to put it right or what?"

I'm certain they'll get it fixed. I see the issue as the priority assigned to this issue.

1) If you're someone making home movies, shooting events, that kind of work, then TC is nothing to you. Fixing the problem is not a high priority, fix can be rolled up into next update along with other fixes

2) If you're working with other professionals it is life and death. A company that saw its userbase as being signifcantly composed of such people would be working around the clock to fix this one problem.

Erikd's point is that SCS seem to think most of their users fall into category 1) and don't seem overly interested in attracting users from category 2).

Bob.

Vegas and timecode has always been iffy at best,, never has been able to read prores 422,, while every other ap does...priority with sony ?
Reality leaves a lot to the imagination

As you have used my words, Bob, please do NOT clump me into a category that at the same time wouldn't want this item fixed. And I say this for 2 reasons:

A] I want my colleagues here who DO need it to have it fixed for them - and that IS a priority. My priority is for my chums here to be secure in the knowledge that Vegas IS delivering for them what they want, otherwise I could take a truly selfish attitude about this and say - Tough! But I don't. Why? 'Cos not saying that, is in my mind, BEING professional too.

B] I want to be here WITH other professionals who DO need this to happen. So, ar you saying that those who don't use timecode aren't professional? Interesting.

And Bob, how do you know this to be true, that:-

Erikd's point is that SCS seem to think most of their users fall into category 1) and don't seem overly interested in attracting users from category 2).

Unless you've checked this out with Erikd, outside of this Forum, how would he know this to be the case with SCS either?

No, not until SONY comes here and states, categorically, what you are saying is the case, then what you've posited has to remain pure conjecture.

We can only hope that SCS get this item fixed ASAP.

Grazie

Vegas and timecode has always been iffy at best,,

As I discovered in the http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=570562strange time code behaviour[/link] thread :(

Mike

> "1) If you're someone making home movies, shooting events, that kind of work, then TC is nothing to you. Fixing the problem is not a high priority, fix can be rolled up into next update along with other fixes"

I don't think I've ever used timecode in my 10 years of editing with Vegas. I mostly shoot events. I think a lot of Vegas editors are shooting events. Even when I making a creative spot, I drop my footage on the timeline and get creative. That's what I love about Vegas. It's like working with clay. You just get in there and start moving things around and see what emerges. Timecode just doesn't enter into the workflow.

> "2) If you're working with other professionals it is life and death. A company that saw its userbase as being signifcantly composed of such people would be working around the clock to fix this one problem."

Let's face it, the majority of Vegas editors are probably "lone wolves". We shoot and edit our own stuff. Even those of us who are making feature length films. We may collaborate amongst ourselves, but by and large we are self-sufficient editors. We use Vegas because it is has a more productive workflow than any other NLE's.

"Timecode... we don't need no stinkin' timecode"... ;-) lol

~jr

I've been a "lone wolf" for 16 years.

For some projects, I need my client to be able to identify which footage contains the best example of something. Now, they could tell me they "liked that shot when he came out of the building", but, if I had given them a Timecode dub, they could say:
01:00:23:18:10 to 01.00.24.17:23
and I would save a lot of time.

"Timecode... we don't need no stinkin' timecode"... ;-) lol

You need it when the person you shot the video for (i.e. higher up the "food" chain than you are) says "I want to see everything you shot so that I can tell you what I want in the video.
The fact that he/she/they have no experience editing video has nothing to do with the fact that they call the shots :(

Mike

Grazie, I certainly respect your posts here on the forum and recognize you to be a professional. However, even though I come close to being a "lone wolf", I still need and use time code every day. Having come from the collaborative post-production world, I can state categorically that if Sony were truly interesting in capturing those who aren't lone wolves, they would have dealt with the time code issue IMMEDIATELY. As in priority uno!

You simply can't exist in the collaborative world without it. But even if you don't need to play well with others and want to go it alone, time code is still critical for those like myself doing doc long-form style editing. We have thousands of hours of transcriptions that are all time code based. We have also thousands of hours of proxy library clips that are all time code based.

It has already been a sorry state of affairs to not have time code in audio for so long but to have it removed from video was a real insult.

No one at Sony noticed when they working on 10c that their clips on their timeline didn't have time code????!!!!!! Really??? It's not on the check list to verify??

Grazie to your other question, since time code has been in Vegas video clips for a very long time, I can't imagine how a simple version update from 10b to 10c (no new features just bug fixes) so fundamentally changed everything in the base code that it is now a major problem to get time code back. What stands out to you logically as an explanation for why 10b has it and 10c doesn't?

Erik

Without timecode I would be lost,, lone wolf ...really, I don't want to be a lone wolf.. I'd probably starve .I like to have a producer log an outline , create the roughcut story and then I edit.... maybe I'm in the minority.. I hate the producing aspect of my job.. I try to leave that for others... Can't do everything, at least not well I need the stinking timecode... on every project ..

Erik, it was broken in 10.0b, not 10.c which is why I have 10.0a running on my machine.

Mike

"Erik, it was broken in 10.0b, not 10.c which is why I have 10.0a running on my machine."

That actually makes it even worse. Really unbelievable that they didn't solve it in 10c.

Thanks for the heads up on the timecode issue.

Since I've been using DSLR so much lately have not used clip timecode in a bit but that is something that should really be working. When you need it you really need it!

I will add this - thank God for Pluraleyes!

Yes, Grazie ... I did. . . (grin)