That's sad, they actually list dropping Vegas as one of the features. I too still labor with Vegas 32bit due to the look I can get with MBL. It's an unfortunate turn.

Seems you get just about everything Red Giant has to offer with Avid's new Studio NLE. I think it is $159 and includes Particular, Knoll Light Factory and a mountain of other goodies. If those plugins also work in AE, Avid have a me as a customer, who could resist a deal like that but what's in it for Red Giant and the others as well? Surely there's more to this?

Bob.

Yeah, the final nails are being driven into the coffin of Vegas.

"Yeah, the final nails are being driven into the coffin of Vegas."

I wouldn't be that harsh at all. Vegas's audio capabilities still keep it head and shoulders above the rest of the pack and let's not forget it's the cheapest NLE that does 3D.
The reasonable question would be how is it others are able to broker these kinds of deals and SCS has only very rarely pulled such deals off. Certainly the inclusion of Elastique's pitch shifting technology is a significant deal however in the NLE space most are attracted to what can be done with vision not audio <sigh> but that's just the way it is.

Bob.

Yeah, the final nails are being driven into the coffin of Vegas.

That's a pretty tired statement at this point. If someone took the time I'm sure that would be said back with version 5, so I'm guessing the Vegas coffin must be a square mile & have a billion nails that need to be driven in. I'm assuming that statement comes from the fact a single company stopped supporting a plugin for Vegas 8 that they haven't updated since then, of course ignoring the fact that now there's Boris, NewBlue, Pixelan, Prodad, Genarts & Singular Software (I'm sure there's more too). Only Boris supported Vegas years ago & almost all those companies I listed support modern Vegas versions & 64-bit.

Red Giant lagged & didn't get sales for Vegas on a product they updated for Sony's competition but not Vegas. Odds are we'll be better off w/o them.

"If someone took the time I'm sure that would be said back with version 5"

That does hit the nail on the head :)

It was said, dig back in the audio forum. You'll probably find some very angst riddled threads. At the time Vegas was pretty significant in the audio world. It pretty much failed to keep up with where the industry was going and today it rarely rates a mention in the audio world. As a product that combined the capability to handle sound and vision I for the life of me cannot see why it couldn't have been at the forefront of the industry. Instead along came Reaper that doesn't do vision at all and that was pretty much the end of Vegas in the audio world.

Bob.

INTERESTING TIMING: As I was reading this, I received an email from Red Giant touting their new upgrades...

BTW: I suspect that "Dreamline" is actually Zippy (who whined and flamed on this forum a few years back) returned from the dead.
Ah well, at least his comments make for some humorous distractions, amidst the more technical discussions.

>"BTW: I suspect that "Dreamline" is actually Zippy (who whined and flamed on this forum a few years back)"

Mmm, I've noticed a certain negative attitude that seems to stick like Galoo.

i have to admit to wondering why dreamline, zippy, and other 'detractors' of vegas actually waste time posting to what is obviously a pro vegas forum?

i, and many others here have, at times, damned vegas / scs over something that didn't work, or a bug, or have simply observed rationally that vegas is no good FOR such and such a reason.

if they affect the way in which i use vegas, i take such reasons seriously and do my own comparison, sometimes they're right, sometimes wrong, but either way they are informed.

uninformed detraction, with no reason is simply a reflection of the posters state of mind.....

[/rant]

btw. if you depend on mbl then you haven't really played with what vegas has to offer.

>>>Yeah, the final nails are being driven into the coffin of Vegas.<<<<

Except, we forgot to put Vegas in that coffin, so doesn't really make any difference. Just an empty coffin being buried by a few NLE challenged individuals.

Last week I had to deal with several students who shot their projects on a wide variety of cheap digital still cameras.
Drop the video on the timeline, trim heads and tails, burn DVD, give to happy student.
Today I dropped some ProRes HD files on the timeline, hit play and watched them.
Gotta love it :)

Mike

>btw. if you depend on mbl then you haven't really played with what vegas has to offer.

I'm not sure I agree unless there is something I'm missing. The range and UI of CC tools in MBL (e.g. vignettes, soft edges, glows and many many more) are not found in Vegas (nor any other Vegas plug I'm aware of. Vegas's tools for this are crude and limited. Plus things like bleach bypass with easy sliders and controls - and tons of other tools in it don't exist anywhere else.

What other CC tools are there for Vegas that match or exceed MBL? I have New Blue and their UI is not good and very difficult to use.

I don't know of any as I don't need something like MB for Vegas, but it's not a show stopper. You can still use your old Vegas with MB (frameserve out). You can also use one of the other apps they support (looks like they're pretty much an Adobe/Apple exclusive now). Now it might be a good time to look in to learning AE (as they don't support Boris).

IMHO they're looking to drop stuff that's not popular. The only popular NLE's they support is FCP & Premiere. They don't support anything else except Avid Xpress Pro, no other Avid stuff.

EDIT: It may be worth noting that the only product their other software seems to support is AE & FCP in some cases. That right there could be why they're dropping Vegas support: they'd rather support one program vs several (from what I've seen, the reason Vegas 10 has much support is because of the new plugin API).

"The range and UI of CC tools in MBL (e.g. vignettes, soft edges, glows and many many more) are not found in Vegas (nor any other Vegas plug I'm aware of. Vegas's tools for this are crude and limited."I've never used MBL, so I'll ask this question, rather than giving an answer - "Does the 'Soft Contrast' plugin enable the user to mimic many of these effects?"

...Jerry

>"Does the 'Soft Contrast' plugin enable the user to mimic many of these effects?"

Absolutely not. I've tried when pressed for time, but that's the precise reason I use MBL - vastly superior to Soft Contrast etc.

>Now it might be a good time to look in to learning AE

I'm an advanced AE user but it's not an editing tool. On quick turnaround paying gigs, I often don't have time or budget to CC the project in AE.

Does any form of Magic Bullet work in Vegas 10?

I use MBL in Vp10 on a full 32bit Platform.

I like MBL 'cos I can quickly get an idea up and running from within an engaging GUI that is truly intuitive. It has drawbacks, but weighing-up the reach that Vegas doesn't have exactly in the soft contrast FX is why I like MBL. And yes, I also use Vegas Soft Contrast. It's ALL about the right/appropriate tool for the job and here that's how easy it is to wield it.

Grazie

Yeah, it is a huge loss. Giant! How many wrong turns can Vegas take before it is completely forgotten.

Vegas had nothing to do with making a wrong turn here.
Red Giant wasn't selling enough of the product to Vegas users so they dropped it.
A simple business decision on their part.

Mike

I'm an advanced AE user but it's not an editing tool. On quick turnaround paying gigs, I often don't have time or budget to CC the project in AE.

I know it's not an editing tool. All you want to do is CC so just CC in AE. You can have both open at the same time. If AE has at least the same keyframe capabilities of Vegas you can edit 100% in Vegas, render to HDV/DV/etc. & do all your CC in AE with one application of the plugin. It shouldn't add that much time.

Infact, there may be a way to use MB in Vegas even though you can't use it directly. Boris supports AE plugins. MB is an AE plugin. Get Boris, use MB as an AE plugin in that. Boris has a free unrestricted trial so you could try that & see if that works.

" If AE has at least the same keyframe capabilities of Vegas you can edit 100% in Vegas, render to HDV/DV/etc. & do all your CC in AE with one application of the plugin."

For me AE's keyframing is better than Vegas's. It's more complex but more versatile. I've used Avid's free DNxHD codec to bounce between Vegas and AE.

AE is so widely used in this industry that I feel pretty safe in saying no one is going to pull support for their plugins in AE. NB's plugs work in it and the interface is unified unlike how they work in Vegas. All of Boris's plugins work in AE, again through a unified interface. Come to think of it a lot of Boris's plugs come with AE. If I was spending serious money on plugins I'd be buying them for AE not Vegas.

Bob.