Subject:beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Posted by: s k r o o t a y p

Date:1/28/2011 8:24:55 PM

just getting familiar with AMS7. the beatmapper wizard says: "inspect each measure for accuracy and change where necessary". when i adjust each measure one after another, each measure is being custom fit to the metronome and saved right? i'm not adjusting the whole event based on the last measure i fit to the metronome right? and is each measure being auto saved when i move to the next one? also, what if after completely fitting the entire event to the metronome and closing out i later want to tighten up say measure 26, how can i go right to it? when i open beatmapper wizard it puts me back at the beginning and worries me that it's going to undue a half hour of beatmapping i've done measure by measure. how can i adjust a section knowing that all my previous mapping is saved and safe?

thanks!
david

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: Mark B

Date:1/28/2011 10:50:01 PM

No, adjusting the measures in the beatmapper is not being saved. You want to use the wizard for just the part of the song you want to use or the beginning if you plan on using the entire song. Then, go to the 'stretch' tab in 'clip properties' for that clip...this is where you move the markers to anchor them to the beat (you do this by double clicking & then dragging). Start at the beginning & move forward (don't start at the end and move backward). Be warned though, if you anchor the 1st beat of every measure (which should not be necessary), it takes a LOT of cpu power...so use it sparingly. Then make sure you press the save button in the clip properties so that the info is saved w/the file. You can even duplicate a track & change the clip properties for the duplicated track and that info will be saved with the Acid project (don't press save in the clip properties unless you want to overwrite the parameters in the original track).

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: s k r o o t a y p

Date:1/29/2011 5:38:07 PM

hmm, so you use the beatmapper wizard first to establish the basic quantize. it's assumed that your event is already consistent from it's beginning to end, i.e. it will sync with a metronome all the way through if you nail the first measure with the bmw. and basically you use the measure advancer only to base your quantize on a different measure somewhere else in the event, but only that one measure you choose is the guage for your entire event's quantize. is that correct?

so, then i'm assuming if your event is a bit nuanced (such as the acoustic guitar track i'm working with) you can then go from the basic quantize you established in bmw to the 'stretch' tab and fine adjust the quantize to be even tighter by anchoring the downbeats with as many markers as you wish. is that correct? i began to put the cursor where i wanted my initial marker to go and assumed striking the 'm' key would place it but it did not (i did not get exactly what you meant by "double clicking and dragging"). plus i didn't understand what the adjustable loop region was present for.

what am i missing? i think i need to be able to quantize measure by measure due to the nuanced nature of the event i'm working with. is this online in a video somewhere? i've seen a few clips but they were vague.

thanks!
david

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: s k r o o t a y p

Date:1/30/2011 1:15:38 PM

wow, searched "beatmapping" and of 11,000+ entries, no one has asked about it. i guess i'm the only one simple enough to have a dilemma. appreciate any help available.

david

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: MarkWWW

Date:1/31/2011 11:02:01 AM

Hmm, I think you must be doing something wrong in your search - when I search for "beatmapping" I get 188 hits. An even better search choice might be "beatmapper" which gets 461 hits. There's probably something in one or more of those messages that would be helpful to you. Plenty to read through, anyway.

Mark

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: s k r o o t a y p

Date:2/6/2011 8:26:27 PM

i thought i'd gotten some insight watching the seminar series/ new features/ beatmapper enhancements segment. i went through the steps of the beatmapper wizard and then attempted to go to the stretch tab and drag and anchor my markers to the downbeats as needed. but my project in the stretch tab looks nothing like the one in the seminar dvd. 1st, the event on the timeline does not have the label "beatmapper project" like his does. 2nd there is no series of orange markers denoting downbeats through entire event like his does. 3rd there is no bpm reference up above the waveform like his, and 4th the info in the side column is different, his has:
"initial root note"
"initial time signature"
"initial tempo>beats per measure>beat value"

while mine just has:
"root note>transpose"
"original tempo"
"downbeat offset"

what am i missing?

thanks,
david
AMS 7/ Win7

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:2/7/2011 12:02:52 PM

Since I don't use Music Studio 7, I'm assuming that MS 7 uses the Beatmapper differently than ACID Pro 7 does (which is what I'm assuming they're using in the Seminar Series). That may be why it looks different.

HTH,
Iacobus

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: SonySQAPete

Date:2/7/2011 2:09:01 PM

Beatmapping underwent a significant enhancement in Acid Pro 7. AMS 7 is actually based upon the engine from Acid Pro 6 - hence the two views looking substantially different.

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: s k r o o t a y p

Date:2/7/2011 4:35:50 PM

well, how do i at least get the markers to appear throughout the song in order to do the basic dragging into place on the downbeats on the stretch tab.

david

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: s k r o o t a y p

Date:2/9/2011 7:58:49 PM

so basically what i'm hearing is that the (exorbitantly priced) seminar series discs (which frankly ought to come with the program) have no carry over value for poor Music Studio users because things are so very different between the 2. is that right?

should i also assume that pages 118 to 122 of the Acid Pro7 manual are not applicable to Music Studio on the topic of beatmapping and stretching? cannot find a copy of the full manual (if it even exists) for AMS7 here online, on the original software disc or on the seminar series disc. all i see everywhere is that effectively useless quick start guide which covers nothing on beatmapping and stretching (just 2 of the central features that the entire program hinges on, but hey, why put those in?).

feeling 2nd class citizen for choosing Music Studio.

thanks and forgive me,
david

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: s k r o o t a y p

Date:2/10/2011 7:55:43 PM

reading the AMS full manual for version 6 since that is what was suggested that 7 is closest to. am i right to understand from pages 135- 137 that none of the markers for measure by measure beat anchoring are even available in Music Studio and are exclusive to Pro? can someone confirm this and if it's true then what in the world CAN you do with the stretch tab in Music Studio?

i've got a nuanced event that, after beatmapping, stays on beat for half the song, then starts to drift off. i thought the ability to fine tune this so it's nailed through the whole song was a basic feature of this program even at entry level. is that not so?

thanks,
david

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: s k r o o t a y p

Date:2/27/2011 7:58:47 PM

guys,
just wanted to apologize for some of my careless words in this thread. i really do appreciate all your help and could have better expressed that.

david

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: JohnnyRoy

Date:3/1/2011 12:48:37 PM

David, You might want to use my technique for beatmapping measures in older versions of ACID. I call it Tempo Mapping. Here is a tutorial from my web site that shows you how:

Using Tempo Mapping to Fix Tempo Drift

~jr

Subject:RE: beatmapping measure by measure (basic questions)

Reply by: smoothjazz

Date:3/9/2011 4:23:25 PM

anybody please help me here with BMW.

example; i have a loop about 45 sec long and tempo of 88 bpm
and i have another loop thats 102 bpm. how do i lock those loops to sync in time with the 88 bpm without loosing sound quality in AP7?

i have tried everything but they don't lock in(tempo)

thx