Subject:OT: NAMM - No Show

Posted by: sodbuster-ca

Date:1/14/2011 10:11:29 PM

Sony Creative Software did not make an appearance at this year's Winter NAMM. Sony Electronics is there showing their latest portable audio recorders.

At last year's show, SCS was there demonstrating ACID Pro, Sound Forge Pro and Vegas Pro. They even had Rudy Sarzo discussing a 3D music video he made using Vegas Pro 9. During the presentation they passed out the Red/Blue 3D glasses to those in attendance.

Going into this year's NAMM show I had hopes of seeing a demonstration of all the new features contained in "ACID Pro 8". But it was not to be. Will there ever be a version 8? I hope so.

Oh well...for the time being, its on to "Plan B".

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:1/17/2011 7:54:37 AM

Maybe they're so busy working on ACID Pro 8 they haven't had time for NAMM...

I like to dream.

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:1/17/2011 5:15:46 PM

"Maybe they're so busy working on ACID Pro 8 they haven't had time for NAMM...

Spectralis"

Yeah, that's probably true...I hope.

One thing we know for sure: they're still in the Pro Audio business. They're currently running full-page adds in audio magazines for Sound Forge Pro 10. The slogan goes: "A Perfect 10".

Curiously, Apple Logic wasn't there either. Neither was Ableton Live.

Only four DAW manufacturers were there showcasing their products: AVID Pro Tools, Presonus Studio One Pro, Yamaha/Steinberg Cubase & Roland Sonar.

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: GrupoJyT

Date:1/18/2011 10:17:53 PM

I'M EVALUATING CUBASE 6 AND SONAR X1 SERIOUSLY.

I grew with Acid but now "I am felling like an orphaned adolescent".

We have exactly 2 years watching how other DAW's advance very far.

The most important thing is that Acid Pro 7 does not have support for VST 3.0 (ie iZotope Ozone, Melodyne), does not have side-chain signal flow, 64 bit support, and so on ...and crashes like a "paper boat".

...and we do not have signals of life from Sony (strange policy).

Therefore I am saving my money, about $500 - $600 and, in a short term, is highly probable that I will say "good bye" to Sony Acid.

...I'm sorry

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: ZombieSlugs

Date:1/19/2011 1:22:59 PM

I switched to Reaper. If Sony ever ships an Acid Pro 8, I'll re-evaluate, but right now I'm hapily running 64-bit Reaper.

Grotty learning curve, though.

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:1/20/2011 9:50:09 AM

I've also switched to Reaper. The forums have been very helpful every time I got stuck while learning it. Version 8 of ACID will have to be good for me to switch back But even then how long will it take for the next upgrade? If ACID only gets a new version every three years while Reaper is updated regularly why go back to it?

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: Kit

Date:1/20/2011 5:12:46 PM

I'm contemplating switching. Is there anything in Acid 7 that you miss in Reaper?

Thanks,

Kit

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: AnthonyTower

Date:1/20/2011 7:43:47 PM

The big show for this kind of product is the Frankfurt Musikmesse held in April, not NAMM.
Acid's only competition, as far as being a pro LOOPING PROGRAM goes, is Ableton Live....Reaper, Cubase and all are fantastic products but are simply DAWs.
What a ding-a-ling thread......:)

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:1/20/2011 11:17:07 PM

"...What a ding-a-ling thread......:)

AnthonyTower

Please expound...elaborate? Show us the error in our ways?

Thank you, oh great one!

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: GrupoJyT

Date:1/21/2011 11:35:52 AM

At this moment, reaper does not have MIDI drum maps, so you can not configure a customized map to perform note control on special VSTi like Kontakt Instruments.

Reaper does not recognize the auxiliar signar on 3rd party VST Fx, specifically using Izotope Alloy, so you can not configure a side-chain signal process ( but works nice with his own pugins).

VST 3 is not supported (Acid either), you can not use this kind of plugins, only 2.4 versions or earlier.

I am in the middle of the Reaper evaluation, but It looks like...

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:1/22/2011 7:12:22 AM

Please expound...elaborate? Show us the error in our ways?

Okay - I will. So you start a "I guess Sony has given up on Acid completely since they didn't appear at some dinky show" thread and we are supposed to take what from it?

That there is no more Acid? Where exactly are you getting your info - why don't you show us the truth in your assumptions? If it isn't already very clear.

You should take this "no glimpse of a new Acid Pro 8 for a long time " as a hint of good things to come. Something that is taking this long - won't be some half baked upgrade with 3 new features.

Despite the negative vibe in this thread - I am taking the "unavailability" of Acid Pro 8 as "no news is really good news".

VP

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: mysterythegod

Date:1/22/2011 11:48:04 AM

I as well was looking all over the internet last week for something about a new Acid Pro and was disappointed. I currently use Pro Tools 9 but there are a lot of tasks that are much easier to accomplish in Acid Pro, as well as being able to use it as a rewire slave in pro tools.

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:1/22/2011 1:19:57 PM

..."I guess Sony has given up on Acid completely since they didn't appear at some dinky show" ...

Vocalpoint"

Dude/Dudette/Dudess, you certainly have the right to your opinion and this forum [I][U]IS open to all comers. However, my question was addressed to a specific individual who is not you. But, since you've decided to call me out, I'll take a few minutes to contribute to your education.

That so called "dinky show" happens to be the largest professional music production & musical instrument exibition in the United States. Its second (not by much) only to the European show called the Musikmesse.

This year's Winter NAMM boasted 1,417 exhibitors. Last year's Musikmesse had 1,510 exhibitors. ACID has been exhibited at practically all of the Winter NAMM's that I've attended going back 14 years. So from my point of view, it is a big deal that Sony CS was a no show. In fact, the first time I saw ACID was at the Winter NAMM; Sonic Foundry was there demostrating ACID version 1. "Some dinky show"?, I think not!!!!

As I stated earlier, four companies were there demonstrating "new" versions of their music production software. Pro Tools 9, Cubase 6, Sonar X1 & Studio One Pro 1.6 were all there but there was no ACID Pro 8.

It has been stated here that music production software version upgrades are always debuted at Musikmesse but that is just not true. Many new products and current product version upgrades have been debuted at Winter NAMM (as was the case this year).

Why did SCS skip this year's show? I don't know and neither do you or that "other" individual . I was very disappointed that they were not in attendance as are many others who share that same disappointment. In fact, I met several people there who said "where is Sony CS"? While standing at the Sony Electroncis booth, I saw several people walk up and asked the reps that same question.

So, for you to suggest that expressing my disappointment here is somehow inappropriate is very presumptuous and impertinent on your part. But I suppose, that's the best you can do.

Thank you for showing us your best.

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:1/22/2011 2:34:51 PM

..."That there is no more Acid? Where exactly are you getting your info"...

Vocalpoint"

Reading and Comprehension is a skill that is obviously lost on you. I never said "That there is no more ACID".

What I did was ask a "rhetorical question" and I answered it for sport. (You do know what a rhetorical question is, don't you? -- well, maybe not). If you take to the time to read what I actually wrote, you'll see the following: "Will there be a version 8? I hope so".

Next you ask ..."Where exactly are you getting your info"... What info? There hasn't been a version upgrade of ACID in very long time compared to similar products. THAT IS A FACT. What are you talking about?

Look, companies drop product lines all the time. That's another fact. I never said ACID had been dropped; another fact. (Asking a rhetorical question versus making a "statement of fact" are two different things -- reading & comprehension is a very useful skill to have). Also, making erroneous assumptions and putting your words in the mouths of others are traits one should avoid.

It is fair game for customers to question the apparent lack of support exhibited by SCS for this product (comparatively speaking). Sometimes a little grousing can be useful to a company that values customer satisfaction.

Anyway, thank you for your very insightful & entertaining works. I look forward to your next installment.

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:1/22/2011 4:10:34 PM

..."Despite the negative vibe in this thread - I am taking the "unavailability" of Acid Pro 8 as "no news is really good news".

Vocalpoint"

That's an admirable approach. You should be commended on your long-suffering optimism.

I've been known to be an optimist from time-to-time, but on this particular issue I'm in the pessimistic camp. To me, this long upgrade gap is a sign of one of two things:

1) Product Low Priority, or
2) Technological difficulties.

When you consider combining the challenges of going 64bit, VST 3 support, full plug-in automation support, "possible" melodyne plug-in support, etc., etc., I think they're having major problems.

Not knowing the resources available to the ACID team, its impossible for outsiders like me to know what's really going on. But from my perspective as a long-time engineer/musician/customer/industry observer, this is not good either way you look at.

What with all the crashing & incampatibilities identified by various users, SCS are losing customers. How can that be good?

From a business standpoint, losing customers cannot be good news.

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:1/23/2011 7:11:18 AM

I've been known to be an optimist from time-to-time, but on this particular issue I'm in the pessimistic camp

Well it's quite obvious what camp you are in - but many others are not. Me personally - I fail to see the point of your ramblings. You are spiraling on with no idea or clue what the plan is for Acid 8. Which leads to....

Not knowing the resources available to the ACID team, its impossible for outsiders like me to know what's really going on

Exactly! Therefore - all your conspiracy theories aside - do you really believe that Sony would simply drop the product and tell no one about it.? Believe what you want - but this product has a huge user base and I estimate accounts for some huge dollars to SCS.

There are enough clues in this forum (if you really look hard) that you should tell you to try and be a little more optimistic about this.

VP

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:1/23/2011 1:33:44 PM

..."all your conspiracy theories aside - do you really believe that Sony would simply drop the product and tell no one about it.?

Vocalpoint"

Oh boy! There you go again. OK, let's take these one at a time:

1) Conspiracy Theories? I never said that anyone was conspiring against anyone else!!! Where do you get this stuff from? You make up accusations out of whole cloth!

2) Dropping the product? Dude/Dudette/Dudess, where did you get that from? Putting words in my mouth is unethical and impolite. It can also be considered lying.

..."Me personally - I fail to see the point of your ramblings"...

Grousing alerts the company of customer dissatisfaction. IF the company is concerned about customer satisfaction, then they would want to hear ALL of their customer's complaints.

If you don't like reading these complaints, please keep posting because I enjoy refuting all of your weak arguments.

"There are enough clues in this forum (if you really look hard) that you should tell you to try and be a little more optimistic about this."

That's true for the Vegas forums but not so much for the ACID forums. In the Vegas forums you see a preponderance of postings for "HOW TO's", "PLUG-IN FX USAGE", "PRODUCT COMPARISONS", "NEW PLUG-IN FX RELEASES", etc.. Largely positive stuff. In contrast, the ACID forums are full of complaints about "CRASHING", "INCOMPATIBILITIES", "WANTED/NEEDED FUNCTIONALITY THAT'S MISSING", "LONG GAPS BETWEEN UPDATES & UPGRADES", and most importantly, "PEOPLE JUMPING SHIP TO OTHER PLATFORMS". Not all of the ACID forum postings are negative but the complaint levels feel higher. Granted that's not a scientific analysis, but just a gut feeling. (Would you care to share the basis for this claim about reasons for optimism? Clues? What, like in an Easter Egg Hunt?)

I've even seen postings from hardcore Vegas users who claim that ACID is so unstable for them that they've moved on to other products for music production work.

..."this product has a huge user base"...

No doubt...ACID has been around for a very long time (in music software years).

I'll upgrade to version 8, or whatever they name it, if the feature set is rich enough and the price is right. Right now, I'm evaluating Presonus Studio One Pro...so far I like what I see. I can upgrade from the "Artist" version to "Pro" for $199.00. (They ran a NAMM Show special -- Studio One Artist for $20.11, normally $199.00). To get my upgrade dollars, ACID has to out-perform Studio One Pro.

..."I estimate accounts for some huge dollars to SCS"...

I hope you're right (I think I know what you meant to say). But I have no idea how you came to that conclusion in light of the fact that the great looping features that ACID is known for are now pretty much available in most, if not all the other major music production platforms. In fact, many of them can now import ACIDIZED Loops and a few of them have very attractive looping features along with other mixing & editing features/functionality not found in ACID.

Anyway, thanks for lining up another set of false accusations and weak arguments for me to refute. I look forward to your next installment.

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:1/23/2011 2:07:40 PM

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:1/23/2011 3:44:46 PM

You attacked me out of the blue. Why did you attack me?

Well - firstly - it was not my intent to "attack" you but if you feel that I did - I apologize.

Oddly - I always thought this forum was about "supporting" the product we love to use - not making wild assumptions based on a non appearance at an industry show.

VP

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:1/23/2011 4:31:29 PM

"Well - firstly - it was not my intent to "attack" you but if you feel that I did - I apologize.

Oddly - I always thought this forum was about "supporting" the product we love to use - not making wild assumptions based on a non appearance at an industry show.

Vocalpoint"

Man, I was prepared to accept your apology and move on but then you start it up again by accusing me of "making wild assumptions".

You just can't help yourself, can you? You have to attack, attack, attack, attack. That seems to be all you know.

Maybe you don't know what a personal attack is? You definitely don't know what a rhetorical question is. Or the difference between a rhetorical question and a statement of fact.

You definitely have no clue regarding the etiquette associated with debating the issue vs attacking the individual. (You watch a lot of FOX News, don't you?)

You make false accusations without attempting to provide a shred of evidense or proof.

You put words in my mouth.

You make claims with no explanation or proof.

You grossly misinterpret what I write.

Are you really that dense? Or is there something else going on here? Maybe English is your second or third language? Maybe attacking one another is normal behavior your culture?

Well, it is what it is...as long as you continue the attacks, I'll continue to respond in-kind.

You're putting me on right?

Subject:RE: OT: NAMM - No Show

Reply by: pwppch

Date:1/23/2011 6:05:53 PM

All right, this has gone on long enough. Please, give it a rest. Neither of you are solving anything.

No last words.

Please.

Peter