Why do I get "System Memory Low" during render?

Sidecar2 wrote on 1/17/2011, 5:01 PM
HP Z400 dual Xeon with 3.85GB of RAM, running XP Pro, Vegas 10c.

Rendering a 720p 6mbps (standard template). Outlook is open.

Getting "Error occurred rendering XXX. The system is low on memory. You may be able to reduce memory usage by closing other applications."

Any reasons why? How do I measure memory usage?

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ushere wrote on 1/17/2011, 5:39 PM
32 / 64 bit?

why is outlook open!?

what's your preview ram set at?

Al Min wrote on 1/17/2011, 8:45 PM
Did you read my post on the main Vegas page called "A miracle Vegas 10 app?"
ushere wrote on 1/17/2011, 9:23 PM
sorry, did but just re-read it.

still don't understand the need for outlook to be open?

still don't know if you're running 32 or 64bit?

obviously the pc you're using is not that in your specs?

i'm running a similar rig to the one in your specs - i7/920 / 6gb ram / nvidia gst250 (preview @ 350mb) and all runs as smooth as a baby's bottom, other than for the bugs mentioned elsewhere on the forum.

can you try a render on the other system?

have you looked at processes running while rendering?


Sidecar2 wrote on 1/18/2011, 9:45 AM
Now, with NOTHING else running, Veg 10 stops renders midway through a 3 min 720p wmv render.

Don't blame Outlook. I used to be able to have Outlook, Filemaker, Firefox and others open and still edit, render, etc.

I've NEVER gotten a "system memory low" warning.

Running 32 bit 10c

Even turned off all the thumbnails.
rs170a wrote on 1/18/2011, 12:03 PM
I'll go way out on a limb here and say computer problems of some kind.
I just did a 3 min 720p wmv render from a 1920 x 1080 mp4 source file and it worked just fine.
This was on my office computer which is only a 3 GHz Core 2 Duo with 3 GB. of RAM running XP Pro SP3 and Vegas Pro 10.0c.
The machine has programs of all kinds on it and is permanently connected to the net.

Mike
Ethan Winer wrote on 1/18/2011, 12:29 PM
See this thread that explains how I solved the same problem:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=734016

--Ethan
John_Cline wrote on 1/18/2011, 12:47 PM
Does this project happen to have a lot of high resolution stills?
L8R wrote on 1/19/2011, 5:01 AM
I've had the same issue with this last project.
Mind you it is 1hour and 45 minutes in length with lots of magic bullet looks and Mercalli 2.0 mixed in. The last one failed with 4 minutes left to the render.
I was like incredible hulk mad.
I'm running a quad core. That's all I can tell you now as I'm rendering this bastard over and it has 15 minutes left.
HDV 1440x1080 60i project rendering to blu-ray 1440 x 1080 60i 25 mbp.
I do have Norton on this comp, and although I had it set to not "idle scan".
Guess what, it came on in that last 4 minutes. Crash.
Now I have the ethernet unplugged. Norton off, Idle scan off, firewall off, silent mode on. Dynamic preview at 10. Closed the preview window.
Hopefully this will work.

ushere wrote on 1/19/2011, 4:54 PM
i'm not sure why anyone would have an editing system running norton!!!

it's been a constant thread through every nle forum i've read that most anti-virus software, but especially norton's will slow down, if not wreck your nle system. it might be ok for the office / home, but.....

i have m$'s mse on all my pc's - and i have never had a problem - ever.
Steve Mann wrote on 1/19/2011, 9:09 PM
I have to echo Leslie (ushere) - You can't turn Norton "off", and removing it is a pain. (You may think it's "off", but many pieces of it are still running and Norton is famous for being a huge resource hog.) Norton is also almost impossible to remove, even using the removal tools that Norton reluctantly put on their website a few years ago.

I've been using MSE for several months and am exceedingly happy with it. MS just released a new version with heuristic learning abilities, but it isn't being distributed through normal update channels. The good news is that you can go to the Microsoft MSE site and download the new version, then just install it over the original version.

Ans, MSE is free.


Oh, speaking of resources, Outlook is no lightweight, and as Leslie said earlier - why s Outlook even running?

Steve Mann
L8R wrote on 1/19/2011, 9:11 PM
What is this? - m$'s mse on all my pc's

I hate running Norton but I hate not being able to just download a song from itunes or grab a graphic off the web or upload a video, if I didn't have my computer hooked into the internet.
Then I'm paranoid about getting hacked or getting a virus and losing all my work.
So, I run Norton.
Is there something better that is really good and doesn't hog resources?

Sorry for hijacking this thread.
Steve Mann wrote on 1/19/2011, 9:15 PM
Everything is better than Norton.

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/

Good luck removing Norton short of doing a new O/S install.
FilmingPhotoGuy wrote on 1/20/2011, 12:00 AM
I've been using EndItAll for years. You'd be surprised how much stuff is loaded in memory that needn't be there. EndItAll even "kills" Vegas when it hangs itself.

As far as anti virus goes Kaspersky allows you to "suspend" itself for selected time period.

farss wrote on 1/20/2011, 1:04 AM
"Is there something better that is really good and doesn't hog resources?"

Yes, a firewall. Even just a router doing NAT will provide a signifcant degree of protection. Use one PC running Kaspersky or whatever for all you email and general interweb / office stuff. Then you can leave your editing PC connected to your network and it will be very safe.

Never connect a computer directly to the Internet unless you really know what you're doing.

Bob.
Sidecar wrote on 1/20/2011, 3:50 PM
John Cline,
No stills at all, but some AVCHD HD and a lot of Cineform HD conversions from AVCHD off my Canon HFS100.

It's gotten to the point where I'm getting the Low Memory indicator when I just try to import source, not even rendering or playing anything.

I'm guessing something might be haywire with the computer, but am not sure.

I was running 9, but when I tried to play my AVCHD, it blinked on and off, so I thought that might be a good time to upgrade to 10.

10 worked very well until this Low Memory thing started.

It's corporate machine and I have no choice about its network software/OS load or anti-virus.
Steve Mann wrote on 1/21/2011, 9:25 AM
"It's corporate machine and I have no choice about its network software/OS load or anti-virus. "

Then you may be out of luck. Vegas 10 *does* require more system resources than its predecessors. Just because you may have the minimum system requirements to run Vegas doesn't mean it's a good idea.

AVCHD is very processor intensive and I would be *very* surprised to see anyone running XP to have much success editing AVCHD.