"3D... does anyone care?"

Yes, I do.

"So, do you think Sony is wasting thier time with 3D?"

No, I do not.

Have you ever actually seen 3D-TV?

Well, people are selling sets, so obviously they care. To some extent this reminds me of the debate that was going on here a few years ago: "HD, does anyone need it?" I haven't got a 3D set and I haven't got around to actually looking at one (not intending to replace a fairly new set). But I've played with the technology and it adds an interesting dimension (no pun intended). If someone likes to give me a 3D camera I'll happily use it, but I have to say that 2D is challenging enough for a lone operator. Yet again 3D might simplify some setups, doing away with the need for camera movements to create that perception of space. But maybe John is the only one here with actual shooting experience.

I'm not going to watch TV wearing a pair of glasses..... I'm not that impressed by having whatever pop out of the screen... Ooooo.... Wow!

I guess some are easily amused.

Personally? Nah, couldn't care less. In fact, I rarely watch television due to the overload of tripe served up by the free-to-air stations where I live. I can't remember the last time I watched a DVD that wasn't an instructional or training DVD.

I am a technology junkie but I think I'm going to pass on 3D.

Cheers

Russ

Doesn't interest me in the least.........

While I want to say that Sony pushing 3DHDTV's has nothing to do with it, there's a PSP render preset in Vegas since the PSP came out but no Wii or 360 render preset, so I'll use that as my judge.

Once again, have any of you actually SEEN 3D-TV? It isn't about things popping out of the screen. I'm guessing that none of you have seen 3D since the cheesy 3D movies in the 1950s. A well produced 3D documentary greatly enhances the you-are-there experience.

Actually, I'm quite happy that you all are so knee-jerk reactive against 3D television, you'll be much less competition for the people that actually have a sense of where TV production is heading. I believe that I said the same thing here on this forum years ago when there was a chorus of people saying that HD was never going to catch on.

And by the way, it seems to me that just sitting around waiting for a client to ask for something is a quite passive business model. Perhaps you might consider marketing as a new way to generate some business (and buy some new toys.)

I am actually very excited. I am glad John is here because I hate to be alone :)

Manufacturers are all over 3-D. When that much hardware is available to consumers, consumers want someone who can produce the content. I plan to be ahead of that curve. It is no longer a passing fad. 3D movies and TV now look great.

I just sold a client on it.

The Vegas users (not on the forums) include a lot of folks who do industrial and non-broadcast media. Vegas is the PERFECT tool in that arena. Right now I am generating interest (notice I said generating not waiting for) in that market. Trade shows and conferences are perfect places for 3-D. Scientific markets and aviation shows cry for it. Now that Polarized 3D is possible with single projector set-up's 3-D media can really add some bang and pop to a general session presentation or to a smaller demonstration.

As a Vegas Professional, I can deliver 3-D media to these markets sooner and cheaper than anyone else and I am working to do just that. It means more money for me and I am happy to take it.

I personally do not like to watch 3-D for live action entertainment, but I am not the audience. Your mileage may vary. If all of you ignore 3-D post production with Vegas, I will be quite happy because that leaves more money for me and John.

BTW, John is known for for seeing when a technology is ready to break out and capitalizing on it. I feel that I am in very good company.

I don't know why we are calling this "new technology" and comparing it to HD when it came out.

When I was a kid in the fifties there were 3-D movies. You picked up the glasses on the way into the theater and dropped them off on your way out. The theaters were very large and the screens were huge.

Made me sick as a kid and still does. I don't think I am alone.

John

3D is way past breaking technology. If you haven't got the red Porsche out of it by now you're too late.

If anyone's interested I came accross this research paper from a post on another forum.

Bob.

Well, everyone is welcome to do what they want. 3D is not breaking technology. What it is, is a breaking market now that good looking 3-D is available in the home market and with single projector set-ups in the industrial markets. Even schools are looking at putting in 3-D projector systems in classrooms. It really helps with the visualization of science concepts.

I wasn't thinking about a red Porsche, but it is already looking like it will help with the mortgage.

There is one hole in the work flow chain at the moment. 3-D Bluray creation is not available to small folks like me. The industry just settled on the format and the encoding. Unfortunately, the encoder is very expensive and way out of reach for me. Once it comes down in cost, I can sell the content. If it doesn't come down then I will be shut out of the market.

Keith, well said.

I wouldn't classify John as someone who is easily pleased!!! Myerz, you ain't been around here too long. John has many fine attributes, IMHO, being one who is easily pleased isn't one of 'em. Lol!

Grazie

At the moment, 3D TV requires glasses but this is not a permanent condition. A number of companies are pouring millions into developing 3D displays that operate without glasses. In fact, several prototypes have been shown and several small, inexpensive, glass-less 3D displays are about to hit the market.

http://www.aiptek.com/Display/3D/Features/

I'll ask a THIRD time, have any of you 3D opponents actually seen the current state of 3D technology. I own a 3D television and I love it and so has each and every single person which has seen it.

i'm not actually an opponent of 3d, as i stated, it's just not for me or my market (and yes, as i wrote, i have tried 'selling' new ideas / techniques, but my clientele know what they want, and it's certainly not 3d).

on my last trip to the big city i did have a look at the state of 3d tv's - came away somewhat under-whelmed by what i saw (literally). but as you say, it's a developing field. then again, 15>20 (?) years ago i was working with a company developing holograms - and that was hyped-up no end - to no end. i still have a pile of holographic pics somewhere around....

Holograms were never introduced as a consumer technology. It was just in the last week that motion picture holograms were even publicly demonstrated and that was in a lab setting and rather crude at just a frame every two seconds.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/04/dynamic-3d-holograms-can-now-refresh-every-two-seconds-save-gal/

I have a FujiFilm W1 camera. With Vegas 10 and production assistant, you can put together a 3D photo-montage in less than 5 minutes.

The only 3D displays I have are the Fujifilm V1 viewer (no glasses needed) and my Asus VG236 computer monitor (Nvidia 3D Vision). The VG236 blows people away when they see it.

Am I ready do drop $4k for a 3D set in the lounge - no. Personally, I love 3D. I am using my time now to become familiar with the technology.

I am glad Sony 10 made 3D easy. Best new feature if you ask me.

I love 3D , It gives new experience
Thx
Chethu

Actually, I'm quite happy that you all are so knee-jerk reactive against 3D television, you'll be much less competition for the people that actually have a sense of where TV production is heading. I believe that I said the same thing here on this forum years ago when there was a chorus of people saying that HD was never going to catch on.

But most stuff created & put out isn't HD yet: TV commercials, documentaries, etc. They might have an HD version but that's not what's broadcast. Even pay-for-TV still isn't all HD, it's SD unless you pay extra, and then it's not all HD anyway.

BTW, I've driven some really nice cars but that doesn't mean I'm wasting the $$ to go buy one. Not worth it. Seems like most people agree with 3D & HD (I don't know anyone else, personally, with a BD player except me & my wife).

Yes, I have "seen" 3D TV and I am not impressed... not yet.

Yesterday, while waiting for the computer to do its thing, I was re-reading Rudolf Arnheim's Film as Art, which I highly recommend. In the section titled "Artistic Utilization of Reduced Depth" he makes some very interesting observations and comments on the difference between 2D and 3D images in cinema and their relative effectiveness. Toward the end of that section he states:

"...the efforts of the engineers to create the three-dimensional film will be watched with mixed feelings.... Their efficacy as an artistic device will be practically negligible.... Engineers are not artists. They therefore do not direct their efforts toward providing the artist with a more effective medium, but toward increasing the naturalness of film pictures.... Every step that brings film closer to real life creates a sensation. Each new sensation means full houses." (italics added)

That last statement could have been made in reference to today, but it was made in 1933. I find that very interesting. So the debate continues...

3D?? Not interested?? Get rid of it???

Might as well get rid of HD. Get rid of 5.1 surround sound. Get rid of stereo sound. Get rid of color.

This time 3D is not a fad. 3D is here to stay. Just like all of the above. Yes, like all of the above, 3D won't be used all the time but it is the next step in the development of the movie/video experience.

It is amazing how different many areas are. I guess it pays to know your area market. Here in Orlando, the majority of my friends have Bluray players. Once the price came below $200 they just bought Bluray instead of DVD when they wanted a new unit.

3-D Bluray players are too new, so there are only a couple of folks using them and they bought them without 3-D capable TV's. (I didn't understand their logic)