This sounds a bit odd.

So - you scored a great deal on an upgrade - and you could only do that since you are a previous owner - and now you want to unload that "upgrade" which - as I understood it - can only be purchased by someone who already owns Vegas?

Or are you thinking your upgrade copy will now become a "new" user copy that you can sell for much more cash?

And how about your "upgrade" rights for the future? I always thought one had to stay on the upgrade train in some form to qualify for the next version at a great price,

Wasn't aware that you could buy an upgrade - decide you don't like it and sell it and then instanty qualify for the next round in the future....

If you can sell it - let me know how much you want for it via email.

Cheers!

VP

a) Anyone can buy any license.

b) It will be a "new" license. SONY doesn't make any distinction on how the license was obtained; once you have it, it's a full license regardless of what you paid for it. The only difference is how much you pay. After the payment there is no difference.

c) There is no requirement that one must upgrade to each new version to qualify for the next. Users can upgrade from version 1 to version 10 just as easily as from 9 to 10. No difference.

d) Combine my answers a & b together. Once the initial sale is paid for, it's not an "upgrade" anymore, it's just a license, and anyone can buy it.

c) There is no requirement that one must upgrade to each new version to qualify for the next. Users can upgrade from version 1 to version 10 just as easily as from 9 to 10. No difference.

I didn't say "skip" versions...because I understand that part. I went from Vegas 2 to 9 a while back. But getting a smoking deal on an upgrade license - and then selling it (possibly for additional profit - that Sony will not see). PLUS getting to upgrade again...wow - talk about flexible :)

Sony's license model is definitely unique. I am so used to Native Instruments or r Steinberg - where each successive upgrade simply gets grafted onto "YOUR LICENSE" and if you attempt to sell an older version that is now sitting idle (because you have upgraded) you must sell the entire license.

VP

But remember, if he upgraded from 8 to 10 & decides he wants to sell 10, he can NOT upgrade from 8 any more. Next time he pays the full price for the next purchase, not the upgrade cost.

"PLUS getting to upgrade again"

No, he won't be able to upgrade again. Each license comes with one single "upgrade option". Once that's used it is no more. Even if a license is sold, the seller gets the previous owner's option if there was one, or none if the previous owner already used it.

As far as the extra profit, that's not really an issue, it's pure and simple capitalism. One of my landlords had an old, broken down Dodge truck. He bought it for $500 and it sat out in the back yard, rusting, for 20 years. One day a passer-by spotted it and offered him $600 for it. By that time it was probably worth $50 for scrap. So, he profited $100. Did Chrysler get any of that money? Should they? Of course not.

What if you bought a carton of eggs on sale for 70 cents instead of $2, and then the next day found someone who was willing to pay you $5 for it? Do you owe part of that to the grocery store? Nope. The original seller's financial gain ended with whatever they charged you for it. If you own something and can sell it for whatever you can get for it, that's your good luck!

No, he won't be able to upgrade again. Each license comes with one single "upgrade option". Once that's used it is no more. Even if a license is sold, the seller gets the previous owner's option if there was one, or none if the previous owner already used it.

Ah...understood!

VP

Actually I think that is more rational and reasonable - Sony shooting themselves n the foot.

If purchased as un upgrade, I would expect that retention of the previous version was part of the deal for ownership of the upgraded vesion. I guess we are 'lucky' - if we choose to capitalise on that oversight/policy.

Just as long as the don't change the 'multiple installations, one used at any one time' thing, I'm happy.

geoff

I wouldn't mind making a small profit from it, obviously after 11/30, because until then anybody can upgrade for $140 like I did. But I'm not selling to make a profit, but mostly because I switched to Edius and I don't have any use for Vegas 10. I would prefer to keep Vegas 9 in case I need to do the things that Edius doesn't let me, such as 5.1 audio, but I would like to recover what I spent in Vegas 10 since I'm not using it anymore, and to be honest Vegas 10 may have some nice new features, but they screwed the pooch in others that were working fine, such as keyframing, which was changed in 10 for no good reason and was made more difficult to use.

I will contact Sony to ask them about the upgrade license that somebody mentioned, I thought that keeping V9 was going to let me upgrade to any future version if I wanted to.

If you used your version 9 serial number to get the upgrade special on 10 then your upgrade shot is gone. You won't be able to use it for future upgrades.

I never thought I could sell my old license. I started off with Vegas 4, upgraded to 6, upgrade again to 8 and now upgraded to 10.

So can I sell my old Vegas 4, 6 and 8 licenses? And anyone buying either of those licenses can subsequently upgrade to Vegas 10?

One upgrade shot per license. You can sell your old ones, but if you used 4 to upgrade to 6, 6 to upgrade to 8, and 8 to upgrade to 10 then there are no further upgrades available. Whoever purchased them could use them with no problem, but they wouldn't be able to upgrade from them.

What should happen (but of course the law doesn't have to make sense) is that if A sells an upgrade to B who already has a licence, and B then registers it as an upgrade then A was just an intermediary. There were two licences to start with and two at the end.

However, if B does not have a licence and the upgrade is sold as a full product, then since there is only one licence, A loses his licence.

No. Not at all.

There's no such thing as an upgrade license. There are full licenses that you pay full price for, and full licenses that you pay an upgrade price for if you're eligible for it. Once the payment is made there is NO difference; it's just a full license in the end.

So, there's no such thing as A selling an upgrade to B. A sells a license to B, which is a full license no matter how much was paid for it. B ends up owning a full license.

What you didn't make clear in your scenario was whether A had upgraded to a new version or not. Still though it doesn't matter. If A upgrades version 5 to version 7 and sells 5 to B, A still owns 7 and B owns 5. Whichever one A sells, A no longer owns. Whichever one A keeps, A still owns, regardless of whether it was obtained as an upgrade from the one A sold or not.

Actually I think that is more rational and reasonable - Sony shooting themselves n the foot.

How so? I've sold 3 of my previous version of Vegas. Sony got no $$. That caused several other people to buy full price copies, people who wouldn't of bought if they didn't see it in action with the people I sold it to.

So Sony made the upgrade price from me, I sold the old one for 1/2 my upgrade price, 4 people spent $600 for the full version because of that. Repeat that & no amount of 30 day demo's or return policies will beat that type of PR.

Hi,

I have sold off my older versions in the past and Sony has helped me transfer to the new name. However this time, I have tried emailing Sony support several times and haven't gotten any help. Do I have to buy a service plan just to have my V9 license transferred? I wish I could just deactivate the license.

They should respond eventually. Between the recent introduction of version 10 and it being the holiday season their support department is no doubt swamped.

Why would you want to deactivate your old license? What possible benefit could you get from that?

Doesn't the license have to be deactivated to be installed on someone else's PC? Or will whomever I give my V9 be able to install with no problem?