Subject:Acid Pro 8?

Posted by: spinweb

Date:10/20/2010 4:43:42 PM

It seems like ACID hasn't had a release in about 2 years. That's a long time, isn't it? Does one seem imminent?

Thx,

Rick

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: ZombieSlugs

Date:10/24/2010 7:39:55 AM

Sony is notoriously closed-mouthed about new releases. I would hope to see Acid Pro 8, but at this point I'm not too sure it's going to happen.

Ugh. I really like Acid but a 64-bit version would rock my world!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:10/24/2010 2:02:27 PM

I've changed to Reaper which seems to use less cpu and is more versatile than ACID Pro 7. It also gets updates frequently so if there's any problems it's more likely to get fixed.

I really liked ACID but it's not being developed any longer. I've had to face that fact and move on. I still use Vegas which does seem to still be developing.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:10/24/2010 8:07:30 PM

ACID Pro 7 added many new features in, what appeared to me, an attempt to compete with the leading DAWs on the market. I'm hoping that Sony continues that trend towards competing with the leaders and someday surpassing them.

On the other hand, I don't limit myself to just one DAW. Like studio owners of the past, who would have multiple tape machines on hand, I have access to multiple DAWs. It would be nice to accomplish everything on one DAW but I often times find that I may need to process something in Recycle! or a sampler or another DAW.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: ZombieSlugs

Date:10/25/2010 10:04:12 AM

Yeah, I have a Reaper license but for some things it's just not as easy as Acid Pro 7. I also use Orion for sequencing in parts because it's easier to set up some things in a pattern-based DAW.

We'll see what the future brings, I guess!

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: brothership

Date:10/25/2010 4:01:27 PM

Spectralis, where did you hear that ACID was no longer being developed?

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/25/2010 4:18:19 PM

Spectralis, where did you hear that ACID was no longer being developed?

In his own mind...and that's all. Anyone who thinks AP8 is not happening is dreaming...this is a hugely popular app with a massive community and a ton of revenue potential for SMS.

Acid Music Studio 8 was recently released and it's a virtual guarantee we shall see Acid Pro 8 in the coming months.

BTW.....AP7 was released on Oct 30, 2008

Patience...is what you need....

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: Rickms

Date:10/27/2010 5:37:47 AM

I remember this same conversation when 6 was out and people were looking for 7. Whether Sony comes out with another version is moot, the problem is their 2+ year release lifecycle ensures that other DAW providers continuously surpass ACID in workflow and power. Sony is a big company, this product is not a big revenue generator for them. Most DAW rely on yearly releases or new products to generate a continuous stream of revenue. Sony does not need this from ACID so the product lingers.

I know this application is used successfully by many so I'm not negating that fact. I'm just saying that ACID began the looping DAW world but has let any advantage slip away.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:10/27/2010 9:15:27 AM

Over two years with no new ACID. Vegas has has two new versions in that time. Just who is the dreamer here? By all means cling to the wreckage just in case that lifeboat comes along but don't patronise the rest of us. Even if v8 manifests, with a development cycle like ACID, it'll take at least another two years before the next upgrade. For those who don't have any issues with ACID then why should they bother about other long term users who find the threadbare updates and lack of fixes intolerable. Equipment and software changes a lot in two years and this makes it very frustrating for those who want to use new developments that aren't compatible with a two year old DAW.

The old cliche by fanboys of ACID that it already does everything we need so STFU is pretty embarrassing for those of us who've been using ACID for years and want to collaborate with other musicians. To many of them, ACID appears absolutely archaic compared to Reaper, Sonar, Ableton Live, Cubase. Unless Sony begins to treat ACID with the seriousness they give Vegas I won't bother using it again. In fact, if Sony merged ACID with Vegas that would be a positive move and make the most sense at this point in ACID's (lack) of development.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:10/27/2010 9:17:01 AM

My comment was directed at Vocalpoint by the way.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:10/27/2010 11:29:36 AM

Ableton Live...yeah...don't get me started... (I mean, seriously, so-called "musicians" who use Live call ACID a toy...when our Teutonic friends who designed Live need to go back to GUI school.) lol

Merging ACID with Vegas..? Mmm...well...sounds great until you realize just how much feature-rich each app is in their own way. Vegas is *very* video heavy, bar none. I think the idea here (originated by Sonic Foundry) was to make each app modular.

Next thing you know, you'll want users to merge Sound Forge with both Vegas and ACID. Yeah. No. Maybe it's me but I like to think of projects in stages. Trying to Swiss Army Knife the whole thing...honestly, I'm just not feeling it right now.

I seem to remember doom and gloom concerning ACID years ago before Sonic Foundry sold the software line to Sony Creative. And yet, here we are.

And that's all I'm going to say.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:10/27/2010 11:32:31 AM

Whether Sony comes out with another version is moot, the problem is their 2+ year release lifecycle ensures that other DAW providers continuously surpass ACID in workflow and power.

Or you could look at it as ACID surpassing all the other old junk when the new version comes out....


Sony is a big company, this product is not a big revenue generator for them. Most DAW rely on yearly releases or new products to generate a continuous stream of revenue. Sony does not need this from ACID so the product lingers.

A two year cycle is a total bonus when you use products like I do...it was a 4.5 year wait for the new Wavelab 7 and a 3.5 year wait for Nuendo 5. I would really like to see which pro level major players have a one year cycle....nary a one that I know of....

I know this application is used successfully by many so I'm not negating that fact. I'm just saying that ACID began the looping DAW world but has let any advantage slip away.

ACID became much less than a "looping" DAW several versions ago...it's now positioned as the ultra audio recording/assembly environment.

Jeez - tough crowd in here...maybe it's just me but I take the 2 year windows as a good thing....plenty of time to develop lots of cool new stuff. And you guys are forgetting the FIVE updates to the app since Oct 2008...it's not like a two year gap occurred with zero new code released.

Patience.......

VP

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: drbam

Date:10/28/2010 9:43:26 AM

FIVE updates = 5 bug fixes which should have happened within the first 6 weeks of the original release. Other than adding Fader Port functionality, nothing was updated in the true sense of the word. Bug fixes and updates are not the same thing in my view and I'm certainly not alone in that perspective.

By contrast, bug fixes are addressed in a matter or hours with Reaper and updates are truly updates; meaning that there are always additional features/functionality involved and new "versions" come with amazing regularity. It doesn't take 2 years to "develop lots of cool new stuff" . . . unless of course it happens to be a Sony app.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:10/28/2010 3:02:51 PM

"...nothing was updated in the true sense of the word. Bug fixes and updates are not the same thing in my view and I'm certainly not alone in that perspective.

drbam"

Well, you're certainly welcome to your own point of view and you can even create your own definitions of words. But in doing so, you may find others who would strongly dissagree.

Here's an interesting website to view on the subject: http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-update-and-upgrade/

Typically what I've seen is an Update will include bug fixes, GUI corrections, driver fixes, driver enhancements, minor functionality improvements/enhancements/corrections, etc.

Upgrades typically include all the above plus new functionalties, new features and of course a few surprises (i.e. broken functions that used to work fine in the previous version). (Cubase SX version 1 comes to mind).

Speaking of versions, Sony seems to call updates: "an incremental change in the alphabetical nomenclature of the version". Example: ACID Pro 7.0a, 7.0b, 7.0c, 7.0d & 7.0e are considered upates.

A Sony version Upgrade would be: "an incremental change in the numerical nomenclature of the version. Example: ACIP Pro 6.0, 7.0, 8.0, etc.

(Other companies differentiate between Upgrades & Updates by extending the decimal places in the version nomenclature: v5.3.1, v5.4, v5.4.2, v6.0, v6.1.1, etc. Whole numbers for Upgrades, decimal places for Updates).

Sony have been known to release an Upgrade & an Update at the same time: Vegas Pro 10.0a. (It appears that the Beta testers found enough changes to "roll" the alpha nomenclature prior to the initial version release).

Updates are usually free, while upgrades are usually not. Although some companies have been rumored to release free Updates & Upgrades. I guess you could get away with that if you employ a very small staff.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: SHTUNOT

Date:10/28/2010 4:09:47 PM

OMG...How did this thread get hijacked???

Look if you don't like acid...go to another forum and look for friends...because if you come hear trying to say "it's never gonna happen" then you get into a fight...and at that point who cares cause you will get banned and bitch at those other forums about being "banned from sony forums" and "sony are censoring everyone of us"...blah blah blah...

With all do respect I do agree with some of the opinions on here but the manner in which it's brought over is childish.

(coming from someone who got banned for a couple of weeks because I got into a fight here)

Look Acid 7 is far from perfect...but far from broken.

I have Sonar at my side if any work flow goes "bust". Which it has.

But in the end I always come back because of it being soooo familiar to me. I still can't adjust to sonar.

Don't blame the tools...is all I'm saying...and grow up.

Ed.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: Geoff_Wood

Date:10/28/2010 5:29:48 PM

Don't call 10.0a an 'alpha' - an alpha release is the development stage BEFORE it goes for beta-testing !

geoff

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: sodbuster-ca

Date:10/28/2010 8:29:22 PM

"Don't call 10.0a an 'alpha' - an alpha release is the development stage BEFORE it goes for beta-testing !

Geof Wood"

I didn't call 10.0a an "alpha" release!! Please go back and re-read my post.

This is exactly what I wrote: "(It appears that the Beta testers found enough changes to "roll" the alpha nomenclature prior to the initial version release)." As in "alphabetical nomenclature" since Sony uses alphabetical increments of the version suffix to indicate an updated version.

I said nothing about an "alpha release". But I can see how you mistakenly read that into my statement.

Sony's version identification nomenclature comes in two parts: 1) A numerical nomenclature for version Upgrades and 2) An alphabetical nomenclature for version Upates. In other words, Sony's version Identification nomenclature is "alphanumeric".

I guess the confusion for you (and maybe others) is that I used a little shorthand (alpha nomenclature, as opposed to alphabetical nomenclature). I'm an old aerospace engineer...shorthand and jargon are standard parts of our communication skill set. (In this case, "miscommunication skill set").

Sorry for the confusion. I'll leave out the shorthand next time since "alpha" does have a specific connotation and usage in software development.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: Spectralis

Date:11/8/2010 4:49:20 AM

I used ACID from version 1 and continued to use it until 7. So after investing such a lot of time and money in a DAW I think I've got the right to "bitch" about a two year gap in development. Those in this thread who think they can polarise this discussion by characterising anyone who is critical of the delay as a so-called "ACID hater" are being childish.

I use Vegas Pro 10 all the time and love it because it's being developed. I can't say the same for ACID any longer. So come on Sony surprise me and make ACID 8 a big advance on what it is now and I'll come back.

Subject:RE: Acid Pro 8?

Reply by: GrupoJyT

Date:11/20/2010 5:15:05 PM

I have been using ACID from v 4 to v 7, I aggree with all of you abour Sony is too slow for release a new version (upgrade).

I need some features like side chain signals, manual adjustment of delay for MIDI tracks (when using samplers, you need to start some milliseconds before the rest of the tracks, to ensure a perfec synchronization).

Sony ACID Pro has good evaluations but is not one of the top 5 DAWs.

I love it, but in the last months I have the perception of that Sony is working hard on Vegas and is leaving alone to the ACID users. Maybe the strategy is to include MIDI and some aditional functionality in Vegas and leave acid to dead.

I'm waiting for a new verson with 64 bits, better functionality and performance. I hope that i will be here ... some day