Cineform is unable to render in Vegas Pro 10

Zelkien69 wrote on 10/11/2010, 6:59 AM

I was very excited about the prospect of Cineform in Vegas. Not pointing fingers at either Sony or Cineform, but Pro 9 did not work very well. Upon opening Pro 10 I have lost the ability to render to Cineform.

I have Cineform NeoScene (latest update) and when I go to render and select the Video Format under custom settings I immediately noticed that the "Configure" button was unavailable. After selecting Cineform I immediately get a "no compatible video codec was found" error message.

Is there somewhere I should copy and paste the cineform *.dll file or is there another step to cineform working with Vegas Pro 10?

****Side note***** Playback of Canon DSLR files is phenomenal. I can run up to Best Half resolution (and everything below that) at a full 29.97 frames. I want to render to Cineform to render out my multiple delivery formats as it saves time. Thanks.

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Zelkien69 wrote on 10/11/2010, 7:17 AM

I want to add that it in no way affected rendering in Vegas 8. Just looking to transition my office to Pro10.

kkolbo wrote on 10/11/2010, 7:26 AM

I just tested and I can render to Cineform with no problem. Unfortunately I can no longer configure the Cineform render which is a drag because I have no idea what settings it is using. :(

Xander wrote on 10/11/2010, 7:31 AM

I too can render to Cineform in normal 2D mode, but am also unable to check settings as the option is grayed out. Rendering to Cineform whilst in 3D mode produces a Vegas 10 crash.

I thought Vegas 10 used the Cineform SDK which is why it is odd that Render As still appears to use the VFW route. I have NeoHD installed and am using Vegas 10 64-bit.

mark-woollard wrote on 10/11/2010, 12:05 PM

Got this today from David Newman at DVInfo.net

"Sony has confirmed that time limitation prevented the quality controls from being implemented in time for the lauch on version 10. I only just found out that it didn't make in. Fingers crossed for a point release."

CClub wrote on 10/11/2010, 4:32 PM

I was wondering about V10 and Cineform as with each new version, us Cineform users have gone through hell battling to have Cineform work within Vegas. I guess I'll be keeping V9 on my editing system for a while until this gets resolved. Does anyone know the settings of the Cineform codec that Vegas 10 is using? High HD? Film Scan 1? 2?

jabloomf1230 wrote on 10/11/2010, 4:43 PM

I have a post in another thread that VP 10 works great for me, for except that Cineform files preview in a herky-jerky way. It doesn't matter if I use Preview/Half or Best/Full. VP 9 worked fine.

With the most recent beta of Prospect 4K, Win 7 and VP 10 64 bit, I can render out CFHD files, but the Configure button in Vegas' custom render dialog is grayed out. Maybe it depends whether your Cineform product has the DirectX codec and the VFW codec or just the VFW codec alone.

David Newman wrote on 10/11/2010, 4:47 PM

There are two issue presented above:

1) Neo 5.x, all versions. Vegas 10 doesn't offer and configuration control, but it is using the SDK. The developers at Sony just run out of time. Output is currently hardwired to 4:2:2, Filmscan2 -- lots of quality, but no 444 or 4444 and no lower data rates. Hoping it will be addressed the next point release.

2) NeoScene requires an update to support encoding. The beta 5.2 has just be patched for this, download here
http://cineform.com/downloads/NeoSceneV520b277-101008.zip

David Newman
CTO, CineForm

P.S. Play speed should be nice and smooth, has been in my testing on 2D and 3D sources.

A. Grandt wrote on 10/11/2010, 10:17 PM

Jabloomf1230

That is what I've been seeing as well, AVCHD currently seems to be playing back more smoothly than CF. I haven't gotten around to do simple render tests to see which source produces the fastest render, or best quality. CF still ought to be faster to decode when rendering.

Zelkien69 wrote on 10/12/2010, 6:22 AM

Dan,
Thank you for the link to the fix. It worked perfectly and our current projects we have filmed using DSLR's and transcoded to Cineform are working perfectly.

I also want to add that my quick test of grading native Canon DSLR files vs. the Cineform shows once again that Cineform holds up better and is less likely to produce banding.